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  • MinnesotaFats
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-18-10
    • 14758

    #1
    Wall Street addresses Harper/ Machado
    Interesting article

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/santoli-blame-quant-funds-for-baseballs-soft-free-agent-market.html
  • cincinnatikid513
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-23-17
    • 45360

    #2
    it's zack greinke's fault he has ruined free agency with that contract arizona gave him


    teams are getting smarter, even the yanks and redsox who were known for over paying free agents
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      glad they are getting frozen out

      Teams now know ruination to give long term huge contracts
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      • Sam Odom
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        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #4
        Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

        it's zack greinke's fault he has ruined free agency with that contract arizona gave him
        Look what $$$ can buy you



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        • MinnesotaFats
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          • 12-18-10
          • 14758

          #5
          It's really amazing

          The players complain about it but it's their own fault!

          Love Verlander chiming in... no mention of that 4 year stretch of .500 pitching w a 4.00+ ERA lol



          NBA going to go thru this next
          NHL learned lesson that lockout year

          NFL still best model
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          • cincinnatikid513
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            • 11-23-17
            • 45360

            #6
            Originally posted by Sam Odom
            Look what $$$ can buy you



            she used to be a dallas cowboys cheerleader and model


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            • Sam Odom
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 10-30-05
              • 58063

              #7
              Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

              she used to be a dallas cowboys cheerleader and model
              still aint bad even after two babies
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              • ikid2groove415
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-08-18
                • 11981

                #8
                Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                it's zack greinke's fault he has ruined free agency with that contract arizona gave him


                teams are getting smarter, even the yanks and redsox who were known for over paying free agents
                Red Sox got the highest payroll in baseball
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                • cincinnatikid513
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 11-23-17
                  • 45360

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ikid2groove415
                  Red Sox got the highest payroll in baseball
                  yah but they are getting smarter look what they paid for jd martinez
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                  • GUMMO77
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 08-23-10
                    • 9294

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sam Odom
                    Look what $$$ can buy you



                    White babbies?
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                    • ikid2groove415
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                      • 01-08-18
                      • 11981

                      #11
                      Plenty terrible contracts - not just grinke- this stands out because he plays every 5 days - position players play everyday
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                      • champlain
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                        • 03-19-14
                        • 713

                        #12
                        The fact of the matter is machado and Harper are not that great. If it was Trout, every team would hand out 300 million dollars. Harper has 1 great season and Machado plays in Camden yards and he doesn’t like to hustle. In baseball, players don’t sell tickets, winning does.
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                        • ikid2groove415
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                          • 01-08-18
                          • 11981

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                          yah but they are getting smarter look what they paid for jd martinez
                          Really most of the time when teams open there wallet they get burn - this is the 1 rare case where it’s working right now - but it’s only 1 year - let’s see what he does when the contract is done
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                          • ikid2groove415
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                            • 01-08-18
                            • 11981

                            #14
                            Originally posted by champlain
                            The fact of the matter is machado and Harper are not that great. If it was Trout, every team would hand out 300 million dollars. Harper has 1 great season and Machado plays in Camden yards and he doesn’t like to hustle. In baseball, players don’t sell tickets, winning does.
                            Harper is the 1 rare case where people wanna see - he is the biggest draw in baseball
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                            • cincinnatikid513
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                              • 11-23-17
                              • 45360

                              #15
                              should cross the giants off the list then if this is true


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                              Despite rumored offers/wishes of teams, word is Bryce Harper is not signing — or even considering — short-term deals.
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                              • ikid2groove415
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                                • 01-08-18
                                • 11981

                                #16
                                Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                should cross the giants off the list then if this is true


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                                Despite rumored offers/wishes of teams, word is Bryce Harper is not signing — or even considering — short-term deals.
                                Hes not getting a 10 year contract - Scott boras is going take the L this time -
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                                • TheMoneyShot
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                  It's really amazing

                                  The players complain about it but it's their own fault!

                                  Love Verlander chiming in... no mention of that 4 year stretch of .500 pitching w a 4.00+ ERA lol



                                  NBA going to go thru this next
                                  NHL learned lesson that lockout year

                                  NFL still best model
                                  If the NBA cut down on MAX deals.... these 25 mil per year etc contracts.... I think these players would be pissed off.... force another lockout with the players union. Cuban kind of hinted... along with other owners... they are making a killing. So, I don't know how you'd stop these mega deals?

                                  Typically... once something hits a MAX LEVEL... how do you subtract it? Make it normal again? It's impossible.

                                  The NHL doesn't pay as much.... great tool to go by... but they also don't draw that much revenue compared to the NBA owners.
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                                  • ikid2groove415
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                                    • 01-08-18
                                    • 11981

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                    If the NBA cut down on MAX deals.... these 25 mil per year etc contracts.... I think these players would be pissed off.... force another lockout with the players union. Cuban kind of hinted... along with other owners... they are making a killing. So, I don't know how you'd stop these mega deals?

                                    Typically... once something hits a MAX LEVEL... how do you subtract it? Make it normal again? It's impossible.

                                    The NHL doesn't pay as much.... great tool to go by... but they also don't draw that much revenue compared to the NBA owners.
                                    Basketball only have a 12 men roster - it’s a players league - teams market there superstars- owners are making a shit load of money - nobody is going break up a good thing ? Nobody even watches hockey - they can’t handle a real men sport
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                                    • champlain
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                                      • 03-19-14
                                      • 713

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ikid2groove415
                                      Harper is the 1 rare case where people wanna see - he is the biggest draw in baseball
                                      No, you really don’t. Baseball is by nature an unspectacular sport. It’s not like basketball where you see amazing athleticism and the height and size of these players is a sight to behold.

                                      What’s so spectacular about what Harper does that you need to see him live... Even if you disagree, you probably can only enjoy 10 minutes total for his at bats and the rest of time he’s standing in the outfield or sitting on the bench.
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                                      • MinnesotaFats
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                                        • 12-18-10
                                        • 14758

                                        #20
                                        Cities could jack up nba rents or stop paying for stadiums for a start

                                        I dont understand the repeated "you have to see Harper live" argument

                                        1- he's in RF and is average at best defensive

                                        He's a .250 hitter

                                        He's got pop in his bat, but so does Max Kepler lol

                                        Is Bryce Harper worth 10 Max Keplers?

                                        It's baseball. Harper hasn't won anything, hasn't done anything and still has that shithead attitude in the clubhouse.

                                        The game is about 8 guys in the field not making errors, 1 pitcher going 5 innings, a pen going 4, and guys moving runners into scoring position. Can't do that if you hit .250 and KO 180 times a year.

                                        Fun to watch yes, build a franchise around no

                                        Great 2 year investment for LA or NY, but he won't sign that type of deal
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                                        • d2bets
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                          Cities could jack up nba rents or stop paying for stadiums for a start

                                          I dont understand the repeated "you have to see Harper live" argument

                                          1- he's in RF and is average at best defensive

                                          He's a .250 hitter

                                          He's got pop in his bat, but so does Max Kepler lol

                                          Is Bryce Harper worth 10 Max Keplers?

                                          It's baseball. Harper hasn't won anything, hasn't done anything and still has that shithead attitude in the clubhouse.

                                          The game is about 8 guys in the field not making errors, 1 pitcher going 5 innings, a pen going 4, and guys moving runners into scoring position. Can't do that if you hit .250 and KO 180 times a year.

                                          Fun to watch yes, build a franchise around no

                                          Great 2 year investment for LA or NY, but he won't sign that type of deal
                                          He was a .250 hitter last season, but career is .280, so it's more likely that is what he is. And almost .400 OBP and .900+ OPS. And he's 26 years old. And he's never K'd 180 times. 120-130 is his typical. He's better than what you're giving him credit for, but I get the argument that you can't pay him 400 million if that means not being able to fill the roster with talent. Pitching is non-negotiable.
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                                          • Stallion
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 03-21-10
                                            • 3617

                                            #22
                                            These 2 guys should take shorter term deals, or they are never going to get signed.
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                                            • Joey Vigs
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 06-10-18
                                              • 1425

                                              #23
                                              Harper is a 15 million a year player. I applaud the owners for sticking it to these 2. 400 mill for a guy who admits he doesn’t hustleBoras is taking a huge L here. No one is giving either one ten years at that money, or at any money. Might as well retire. Hope he doesn’t hold his breath waiting.
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                                              • DrunkHorseplayer
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                                                • 05-15-10
                                                • 7719

                                                #24
                                                GM's have figured out that no matter how good someone is, he can only take the team so far; it's not like hoops where one guy can take a team to the playoffs. In the salary cap era, there's a de facto salary ceiling unless you want to go cheap everywhere else and only win 65-70 games.
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                                                • slayer14
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                                                  • 08-12-13
                                                  • 22010

                                                  #25
                                                  Is Harper gonna admit defeat
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                                                  • MinnesotaFats
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                                                    • 12-18-10
                                                    • 14758

                                                    #26
                                                    Well he still has 10yr/300m at Wash. Not really a defeat... but yeah, he's going to have to bite the bullet
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                                                    • Joey Vigs
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                                                      • 06-10-18
                                                      • 1425

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                      Well he still has 10yr/300m at Wash. Not really a defeat... but yeah, he's going to have to bite the bullet
                                                      If I’m Washington that offer is off the table.
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                                                      • cincinnatikid513
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                                                        • 11-23-17
                                                        • 45360

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Joey Vigs
                                                        If I’m Washington that offer is off the table.
                                                        it is off the table for sure, washington is moving forward without harper
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                                                        • lakerboy
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                                                          • 04-02-09
                                                          • 94379

                                                          #29
                                                          Fukk the players. NBA sellout league led by that river rat
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