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Ha. Well I kept the cycle going and had a kid at 19–we had WIC for a little while and I learned that the way to know if cheese is real, the last word is cheese not “food” or “product”. Good info to have.
As far as a mix of the two.... well that is exactly what we have. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and the grand experiment: Quantitative Easing... these are all social programs.Comment -
LOL. My mom would get these block of cheese from the government. Kind of like Velveeta, but tasted better. My friends would come over & ask for the shit. That may have been before your time. No WIC when I was growing up.Ha. Well I kept the cycle going and had a kid at 19–we had WIC for a little while and I learned that the way to know if cheese is real, the last word is cheese not “food” or “product”. Good info to have.
As far as a mix of the two.... well that is exactly what we have. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and the grand experiment: Quantitative Easing... these are all social programs.
Yeah we have a mix, but since the Reagan days & the start of jobs going to China. Our social safety net has been getting smaller. Now with the tax cuts from Trump, talk is about making cuts to those programs to pay for it.
Shit crash's again & people are going to start hiding money in their mattresses like after the depression.Comment -
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You have an incredible knack for getting things perfectly oppositely wrong. I'm sure some of it is on purpose. No biggie.
Your call for sky high taxes and gov pulling all the levers on what folks make, environment, healtcare, ect is what you consider good long term? If you consider Venezuela good long term then I reckon you're right.
My call is for economic growth and your is the opposite. I dont care how you do it. Cut Military, raise taxes, cut taxes, pass a balance budget Amendment, piss on your foot or whatever it takes. It just so happens cutting taxes and regulations spur economic growth as we are seeing in real time.Comment -
Completely opposite. Quite a knack...
Here we go again, post tax cuts 15x wage growth(i was in error stating 25x) and double the economic growth. To me that's growth. I have no idea what your definition is.
Why do you blow a gasket when Venezuela is mentioned? They are a perfect example of what happens with negative growth.Comment -
83% went to the top 1%?
That is not even mathematically possible. 50% went to biz which means 50% went to the working class. The 1% of individuals actually got an increase.
There is no way you can have an honest discussion. I'm sure you know better but you would rather go with made up numbers.Comment -
Is this like corp welfare? You draw in a bunch of unrelated numbers?
I'm curious do you actually know the real numbers or is it a deliberate ploy? Kind of curious from a psychological interests.
We have to be competitive with the world for economic growth. I bet you know that too. This ain't 1950. Hell fuggers can walk from central america to the US, you'd dam sure put your factory in mexico to save 17% on taxes.
I know you guys think corps are the enemy but they are who provide economic growth. We will ALWAYS need a competitive tax rate.Comment -
Those are the numbers of the Trump Tax Cuts. Not sure what your talking about.
Corporations have taken over the government, make the laws, & own the politicians. Moved the jobs over seas & monopolized sectors of the economy. They want to privatize everything for profit.
The corporations are not the enemy. the people that run them are.Comment -
Hmmm... so have the gov either take over business or tell them who, how and what they can pay executives and oh by the way have them pay higher wages give more benefits and pay more taxes...........what could possibly go wrong?? ... and what happens when these companies simply leave(aLa venezuela)?
Last time I asked you said let them leave.
Hicks, ole buddy, you're smarter than this.Comment -
No get the corporations money out of the government & politics. That way we get people that want to lead. Not just people that are looking for a giant payday (Paul Ryan).
Yeah let them leave. Let the workers take over the company. Then we will see if the American people want to buy from the people that stayed, kept jobs here, & contributed to the country.
Or if they want to buy from the guy that left, took the jobs with him, & wants to sell his cheap labor products in our country. I know who I would buy from.
Yes Roy I am smarter than that.
Another thing Roy, those companies are going to leave anyway. Its not about the tax's. Its about cheap labor.Comment -
I'm good with your first sentence. Campaign finance in general needs an overhaul. But that would take guts and neither party has.
Your 2nd sentence would be unconstitutional. The gov is not allowed to take over a private company against its will. You could buy them or suspend the Constitution and take them and execute the owners.
Dude those roads lead to a collapse. Companies will leave and new ones won't start. This is a believe, like a religion, something you believe in. But it is not a way to create positive economic growth hence, it won't work.Comment -
Look at it this way. The government gives out a lot of corporate welfare. Theirs no reason not to lend the money to workers that want to buy a company & run it. They want to keep jobs here & need the tax base. Nothingunconstitutional about it. Plus people don't want to lose their jobs. Best part is, if workers own it. They are not going overpay the assholes at the top. Nor will they leave the country for cheap labor.
No reason to start a new company. Just let the workers take it over. CO-OP's are older than the country itself & many are still in the country.
Your problem is your locked in your corporate BS. You can't think outside the box.
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So ABC company wants to flee this US socialists revolution of yours but the gov steps in and says we are taking over your company and giving it to your employees.
ABC says fugg you we are out of here. But a new far left scotus says it's A-OK to seize the company and give it to employees.
Let's say you could pull off the above scenario somehow.......
How are those employees going to keep the company going? Who will loan them money or buy their stock?? Who will invest in any new companies in an environment where the gov can just take it? Everyone would flee, cut their losses and leave. New investment would be zero. You would have double digit negative growth rates and a 100 million unemployed in short order. The dollar would lose all of it's value and dollar denominated US bonds would be sold and new ones not purchased.
Your ideas are not unreasonable thoughts and could be accomplished if we were the only country on the earth and companies and money could not leave. But you continue to ignore the fact that we compete with the world for investment money and where companies are based.Comment -
Nobody is taking anything, your just giving the workers the option of buying the company that the owner is leaving behind. Who better to run the company than the people that do the work.
Why should workers lose their jobs because some jackass wants to move to China for cheap labor.
Do you not like competition? Who would you rather buy from, an American company or from a guy that leaves & goes to China?
What are you talking about. CO-OP's are more American than you. Many are still in operation, in America today.
Some companies (Chobani Yogurt) for one. Are going to be sold to the workers when the owner retires. This is what the owner wants.
OH I know what the problem is. More than likely these companies will not be on the stock market. Then you can't just use money to leach off the system & the people that do the work. Don't worry Roy, top down companies will still be in operation.Comment -
Dow up again today.. Small gain so far but a gain never the less!!!
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And if the company wants to move and does not want to sell or give the company to employees? The gov just steals their intellectual property?? Not honor their patents?
The only way that is happening is by Constitutional Amendment or suspending/canceling the Constitution.
I've seen and been involved in employee buy outs. They always involve the executives who are required to sign personal guarantees. You going to have the employees guarantee the debt? LOL.Comment -
So you want the US to honor US patents for a company that is leaving the country? They can take what every they want as long as they own it. What stays is the workers know how. Which more than likely came up with that intellectual property to begin with.
This has nothing to do with the Constitution. WOW you are crying like a baby.
Depends on who holds the debt. Did the workers borrow that money? Sounds like shit a lawyer would take care of. Are you a lawyer?
WOW Roy, you really have a problem with a government that works for its people. You would rather give more rights to a person that no longer wants to produce in this country.
I thought you were all about workers & wages? Or is that only when you can skim off the top?Comment -
Well if anything Roy. You are proving that you only care about the owner class. You could give two shits about workers.
You can now quit talking about jobs, wages & worker rights. You are a fraud.Comment -
I just don't consider solutions that would involve a Constitutional Amendment.
You're wrong. The company owns the patents and products it makes. You can't simply give the company to them because the real owner left(fled). Their products, processes and services are protected by law no matter where they are located.
I don't mind the thinking outside of the box but it has to be possible or else we are having a discussion better left to academia.Comment -
Uh-Huh. So we won't respect any international patents? Man i'll start making "Samsung's" in my garage!
Do you ever mentally stress test these ideas to see what the collateral damage is? Do you think new investment dollars will flow into a country that doesn't respect intellectual property, demands employees be owners and/or board members, provide all types of gov mandated benes, limits CEO pay, limits buybacks, raises min wage and all the rest?
The above is a serious question. Would it matter to you if these economic justice fixes drove negative growth?Comment -
Don't know about international patents. But my guess would be that China doesn't care to much about them. So there you go.
If its in the governments best interest to keep the tax base here & workers working. They will lend the money to worker owned companies. Just like top down companies borrow from the government or get subsidized. No body demanding any of that, a worker owned company wouldn't need a CEO, buybacks, or a board of owners. Wages would be set by company profits. The workers own it. They can pay themselves what they see fit. Without those at the top taking everything. Workers would make well above the min wage.
If people are working, pay tax's, making a good wage. Isn't that growth?Comment -
WOW Roy, this just keeps getting worse. Seems like everything you learned & know. Is how to screw workers.Comment -
Look for a more volatility and then a drop and bear market for 2019.Comment -
What happens when a recession hits or markets change and the company(the employees) loses money?
They don't get a paycheck? They will use their savings to fund the company when they are not getting paychecks??
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