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The rules are quite simple at Pinnacle, you deposit and have to risk 3x, it does not matter how much you rollover in the past, it is for keeping away the arbitrage playersComment -
morroco ?
Iam Egyptian and bet365,pinnacle are the best for me.. BookMaker make it hard to ID Verification but Pinnacle is the easiest beside bet365Comment -
I have vouched for pinnacle for a long time but pinnacle has gone down a lot. Bookmaker/betcris is number one him in opinion for american sports. Betcris/bookmaker odds are not tradditional juice anymore...they offer good low vig lines....as you bet more and accumulate points you get much better juice. The limits are also lot higher in bookmaker/betcris, especially in college sides and totals. The volume in american sports is not that great anymore in pinnacle, so the lines move too easily and the limts are low.Comment -
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If you are in morocco, you would be signing up for betcris, not bookmaker. Betcris is the main one...bookmaker is a branch of betcris to accept americans and other restricted countries.
I used to have pinnacle as the number 1 book and betcris right behind them. ONly reasoning was the odds. But betcris/bookmaker odds are as good, if not better than pinnacle. If you aren't betting much (not necessarily the amount but total volume) the odds will be bad in betcris/bookmaker. But as you keep betting with them, you will accumulate loyalty points and you will reach levels such as bronze, silver, gold, platinum etc. With each level, your juice will get better. By the time you reach platinum, the juce is better than pinnacle. Pinnacle juice is not as good as it used to be, they are still a great book though but in my opinion they don't have the strong hold as the number 1 book overall like they did for many years in the past. I have been using pinnacle and betcris for many years and i bet high volume on both of these books and these two are my primary books and now I hold betcris as my number 1 book. Pinnacle is 2nd. I would have them tied as number 1 but their college basketball market has gotten poor in terms of value, juice and limit for most games. College football also similar story for most lower level games.Comment -
Betcris or Pinnacle is like asking beer or wine. Depends on what u like or what kind of bets u will be placing. A regular recreational bettor will most likely lose with both in a long run, however I would say that Betcris is little less sharp.Comment -
Pinnacle who so called welcomes winners will not ban you when up big, they just wont let you withdrawal your winnings. They will reverse withdrawals (even when you followed their dumb withdrawal rules), and then they will happily put the withdrawal amount back into your Pinny account in hopes that you will lose it so they dont have to pay you out! Of course they lie and make excuses like they told me my bank refused my 3 withdrawals which was a bold face lie (talked to my bank there were no wire transfer attempts!). Just because Pinnacle sends you a email saying your withdrawal has been processed it has not! They just use that email to make themselves look professional. They are going downhill fast. When a sportsbook starts to use lying, stalling or consistently reversing withdrawal requests they are most likely in financial trouble! Be warned...Comment -
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pinnacle low juice and better interface
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Come on guys stop making this guy confused, He is from marroco and probably will bet must on soccer, Pinnacle will have all major soccer Leagues, minor division, regional leagues, even under 16 games., Betcris/bookmaker will only have major Leagues, and American sports, definitely will not have any marroco league to bet.Comment -
100% Pinnacle here, this isn’t even a question.
The ONLY time Bookmaker would be better is if you are trying to hit and run. For example say you bet on every major sport championship no other bets, total like 3-6 bets a year, Bookmaker has no rollover requirement whereas Pinny I think has 5x rollover for no fee withdrawals.Comment -
I have some questions about Bookmaker's betpoints program.
Do you earn betpoints on Live Betting?
Do you earn the same amount of betpoints on sides and totals?
How does the math work that you earn -106 juice at 168,000 points? In another words, how many points do you earn per $ bet, and what's the cashout value? I don't ever remember seeing those spelled out. Is it on the site?
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Also a comment: There have been complaints through the years by serious gamblers who have had their betpoints taken away--sometimes not even cashed out. I believe BM'er sees it as a program for recreational gamblers (including whales), and will take it away if you're beating them up as a high volume player. They even have that right in their TOS:
- BookMaker reserves the right to decide whether or not a user is eligible to participate in the BetPoints™ loyalty program and other loyalty and rebate programs.
- BookMaker reserves the right to terminate, suspend or modify the loyalty program at any time.
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It's explained here: https://www.bookmaker.eu/loyalty-program-faq
12. How many points do I earn for each wager I place?
View our chart on points earned for each wager. Note that Moneyline wagers on NFL, NBA, NCAA football and basketball will NOT be awarded BetPoints™. And no BetPoints™ will be awarded for wagers on office pools, or contests.
13. How are BetPoints™ calculated in a parlay bet when a selection (such as NFL, NBA, NCAA football or basketball moneyline), that earns 0 BetPoints™ is selected?
Example: $100 - 3 team parlay with 1 NFL moneyline selection.If all 3 selections were valid, you would receive $100x2 = 200 BetPoints™. However, in this case, because a NFL moneyline selection was included, you would be awarded:$100x [(no. of BetPoints™ awarded for selection 1 + no. of BetPoints™ awarded for selection 2 + no. BetPoints™ awarded for selection 3) / number of total selections in parlay] x 2= $100 x ((1+1+0) /3) x 2= 133.33 BetPoints™.Comment -
Yes, BM will erase your Betpoints with no notice. Always cash them in early, and do not expect to keep getting betpoints unless you are a consistent loser.Comment -
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Having read the terms it looks like you max out at about 1.2 points/$100 on point spreads and totals only at Platinum level--and the max value for a point is 79 cents. Those are napkin calculations, so someone correct me if you figure it otherwise. That means that top value, once you get there, is about a 95 cent rebate / dollar bet--moneylines and livebets not eligible. So I don't get where the claim of effective -106 comes from.
I think Bet Points is a nice promotion, and I like how they give it to you without fussing and it runs smoothly and no complaints. But in the name of good info, I don't want to have its value overstated.
And yes Pinnacle has gone downhill, but you do still get -105 on major pro sport sides (even on overnights) and game day on totals.
Oh, and Bookmaker even says out loud that Bet Points are a recreational player only perk: "Only accounts considered to be "recreational" will be allowed to participate."
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I prefer Pinnacle for the much better payout options personally.Comment -
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