***Best fit for Roy Halladay?***

[head_strong]

According to ESPN.....GM preps Halladay for potential trade:
General Manager J.P. Ricciardi has spoken with Halladay and prepared him for the possibility that he will bring trade possibilities to the pitcher in the weeks or months ahead.
Halladay, 32, has a no-trade clause that will allow him to dictate whether he will be dealt before he becomes eligible for free agency next fall.

Go get him Reds and become a legit contender in the Central.....in fact, double the fun and pick up Matt Holliday while you are at it.

[dwaechte]

This story is downright ludicrous... he's not going anywhere.

[head_strong]

This story is downright ludicrous... he's not going anywhere.

Why would the GM make this up, to piss off his team? Or does he recognize Halladay is getting up there in age and could possibly max out his value and get some great players and prospects in return in hopes of challenging for the division in the future. 1 pitcher won't win any division, I don't care how good he is, especially the AL Central where the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays all have a solid nucleus in place. IMO the Blue Jays have already played their best ball earlier in the season and as of now still find themselves 7 games back. Halladay is an ace on anyone’s team, all contenders recognize that and will probably offer up the entire farm system to acquire someone of that caliber and if I was the GM I'd drain it for all it's worth. The Rays laid out the blueprint for exactly how to build a team from the ground up (lots of young talent), look how quick they went from the basement to the World Series and it wasn’t because of one ace.

[woodman663]

Well if we (Blue Jays) could get at least 2 quality (and I mean real quality, Romero kind of quality) prospects, it might be the good thing to do. Blue Jays have some good young pitchers but most batters are old, though with Lind and hopefully soon Snider again we also have some of the brightest outfield talents. While he's at it, perhaps the GM could trade Wells? He doesn't seem happy in Toronto, perhaps a move would do him good.

Doc's a hero though, it would be really really sad if he does leave.

[BobHarvey]

Halladay or Washburn to the Dodgers. You watch.

[head_strong]

The 2 teams I'd hate to see Roy go to are the Yankees and Dodgers anyone else would be fine with me.

[dreamjob]

Halladay to the nats I know Roy would reject that so fast. The nats would have to trade their whole phucking team.

[themajormt]

Ship him to the Yanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tullamore]

I think Texas could win that division with Halladay.

[dwaechte]

Why would the GM make this up, to piss off his team? Or does he recognize Halladay is getting up there in age and could possibly max out his value and get some great players and prospects in return in hopes of challenging for the division in the future. 1 pitcher won't win any division, I don't care how good he is, especially the AL Central where the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays all have a solid nucleus in place. IMO the Blue Jays have already played their best ball earlier in the season and as of now still find themselves 7 games back. Halladay is an ace on anyone’s team, all contenders recognize that and will probably offer up the entire farm system to acquire someone of that caliber and if I was the GM I'd drain it for all it's worth. The Rays laid out the blueprint for exactly how to build a team from the ground up (lots of young talent), look how quick they went from the basement to the World Series and it wasn’t because of one ace.

I understand where they are; no one should expect them to compete this season. He has enormous trade value. You build through prospects. I understand all this.

But, the comments made are a giant pile of nothing, and they change practically nothing. All thats been said is that theyre listening to offers, practically the same stance theyve had all along.

This team is going to be very, very good in 2010. Ricciardi knows this. He's not going to throw that away unless there is an absolutely gigantic offer, just as he's said. Throw in the fact that Roy doesn't exactly want to leave and I dont think a trade happens this season.

[lakerboy]

Ship him to the Yanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He would fit in perect their. The only problem is leaving him in the division. Right now in Toronto the rumour is the yankees though. As a yanks fan I would love it.

[lakerboy]

I understand where they are; no one should expect them to compete this season. He has enormous trade value. You build through prospects. I understand all this.

But, the comments made are a giant pile of nothing, and they change practically nothing. All thats been said is that theyre listening to offers, practically the same stance theyve had all along.

This team is going to be very, very good in 2010. Ricciardi knows this. He's not going to throw that away unless there is an absolutely gigantic offer, just as he's said. Throw in the fact that Roy doesn't exactly want to leave and I dont think a trade happens this season.

well the talk down here in toronto is that Ricciardi might not be here next year and their not too sure their going to let a guy who wont be around make that decision on Roy. As for the Jays being really good next year they have been saying they will be good for years.

[dwaechte]

well the talk down here in toronto is that Ricciardi might not be here next year and their not too sure their going to let a guy who wont be around make that decision on Roy. As for the Jays being really good next year they have been saying they will be good for years.

Whos saying JP wont be around next year? His contract goes through 2010 and all reports Ive heard have said theyre sticking with him through that at the very least.

[lakerboy]

Whos saying JP wont be around next year? His contract goes through 2010 and all reports Ive heard have said theyre sticking with him through that at the very least.

Thats the talk down here in Toronto on the fan radio and on some networks. He hasnt done nothing here the jays are known to be very patient but their patience is running a little thin with his act.

[VegasDave]

Don't like that they'd trade a franchise ace like Roy Halladay. Show some respect to a guy that has chosen your team as his permanent home and has done nothing but been brilliant for you his entire career.

[lakerboy]

Don't like that they'd trade a franchise ace like Roy Halladay. Show some respect to a guy that has chosen your team as his permanent home and has done nothing but been brilliant for you his entire career.

Thats exactly what their doing. They will reward him for all those years of suffering he went through on a mediocre club. Thats what franchises do for players that did well for them. He stayed here cause he thought they would win something. We all know that deep down inside Roy is behind this and the JAys are being nice and genuine and will help him out. Hopefully he will go to New York Yankees and win it all.

[dwaechte]

Thats the talk down here in Toronto on the fan radio and on some networks. He hasnt done nothing here the jays are known to be very patient but their patience is running a little thin with his act.

Oh, you mean bullshit media rumours of guys who are pushing their own opinions on what they want done? The same shit that gets thrown around every year for the past 6 years? Dont believe it.

Unless someone like Wilner or Blair says theyve heard first hand from Beeston or Rogers that theyre considering removing Ricciardi it means nothing. Anything Hogan or Elliot or Toth or Griffin says has as much weight as if me or you said it.

[lakerboy]

Oh, you mean bullshit media rumours of guys who are pushing their own opinions on what they want done? The same shit that gets thrown around every year for the past 6 years? Dont believe it.

Unless someone like Wilner or Blair says theyve heard first hand from Beeston or Rogers that theyre considering removing Ricciardi it means nothing. Anything Hogan or Elliot or Toth or Griffin says has as much weight as if me or you said it.

So you want Ricciardi to stay!! The guy wont win nothing for Toronto.

[dwaechte]

So you want Ricciardi to stay!! The guy wont win nothing for Toronto.

Did I say that?

I will say though that he has accumulated an outstanding crop of young pitchers and that I feel the team is in very good shape for the future, with the exception of the Wells/Rios contracts.

[VegasDave]

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Thats exactly what their doing. They will reward him for all those years of suffering he went through on a mediocre club. Thats what franchises do for players that did well for them. He stayed here cause he thought they would win something. We all know that deep down inside Roy is behind this and the JAys are being nice and genuine and will help him out. Hopefully he will go to New York Yankees and win it all.

On the contrary, he signed the contract with a NO TRADE CLAUSE because he was happy there and probably wants to be a Blue Jay for the rest of his career. With the future finally starting to look a little bright for the Blue Jays, now wouldn't exactly be the time to trade him to be nice.

"We all know that deep down inside Roy is behind this" - actually, we don't know that AT ALL. That's just you guessing and putting yourself in his shoes. Unless you are close to him personally, you don't "know" that at all.

[lakerboy]

On the contrary, he signed the contract with a NO TRADE CLAUSE because he was happy there and probably wants to be a Blue Jay for the rest of his career. With the future finally starting to look a little bright for the Blue Jays, now wouldn't exactly be the time to trade him to be nice.

"We all know that deep down inside Roy is behind this" - actually, we don't know that AT ALL. That's just you guessing and putting yourself in his shoes. Unless you are close to him personally, you don't "know" that at all.

He signed a no TRADE CLAUSE so he gets to choose thats why most players add that to their contracts. If Halliday gets traded you think the Jays havent or wont consult him and you think he doesnt want to win a title.

[dwaechte]

On the contrary, he signed the contract with a NO TRADE CLAUSE because he was happy there and probably wants to be a Blue Jay for the rest of his career. With the future finally starting to look a little bright for the Blue Jays, now wouldn't exactly be the time to trade him to be nice.

"We all know that deep down inside Roy is behind this" - actually, we don't know that AT ALL. That's just you guessing and putting yourself in his shoes. Unless you are close to him personally, you don't "know" that at all.

Roy certainly likes it here, but to say that investigating trades is disloyal is a little much IMO. Reports over the years have genuinely reflected that Roy is happy here but that he wants to play for a contender. Throw in the fact that Roy is almost certain to bolt for more money after 2010 and I dont think the loyal card can be played here.

[lakerboy]

Roy certainly likes it here, but to say that investigating trades is disloyal is a little much IMO. Reports over the years have genuinely reflected that Roy is happy here but that he wants to play for a contender. Throw in the fact that Roy is almost certain to bolt for more money after 2010 and I dont think the loyal card can be played here.

- you are knowledgeable i like you.

[Willie Bee]

This story is downright ludicrous... he's not going anywhere.

I hope he doesn't go anywhere, but then J.P. Ricciardi has made some stupid, stupid moves in his tenure and it wouldn't surprise me.

As far as what team could really use an ace like Halladay to make a playoff push, my vote would go to the Phillies.

[j0hnnyv]

big rumors swirling in philly right now that halladay to phils is close to a done deal.

that would be devastating to the rest of the NL who is already trying to compete with the phils!!

[VegasDave]

Roy certainly likes it here, but to say that investigating trades is disloyal is a little much IMO. Reports over the years have genuinely reflected that Roy is happy here but that he wants to play for a contender. Throw in the fact that Roy is almost certain to bolt for more money after 2010 and I dont think the loyal card can be played here.

Again, I think you guys are speculating big time here: "Throw in the fact that Roy is almost certain to bolt for more money after 2010 and I dont think the loyal card can be played here."

If he is genuinely happy in Toronto and makes $14.25 million a year, what makes you so certain he's going to bolt for more money? He may very well sign another long-term contract in Toronto. Now I'm not saying he's not going to look around because I DON'T KNOW THE GUY... but similarly, you can't say it is "almost certain" when nothing in his public behavior at all has dictated that.

I agree, you have to look out for the team first and you can't get married to one player, and of course GMs should field all offers. If Halladay wanted out and was going to test the free agent market, sure, trade him now while you can. Or if you think he's going to decline and don't want to pay him the big bucks, go ahead.

I'm pretty sure I never said anything about it being a bad business move or anything. I just said I didn't like it. Call me old fashioned, but in a day and age where there is no team loyalty whatsoever anymore, I like the Derek Jeters and the Roy Oswalts and the Roy Halladays etc etc who spend their entire careers in one spot.

[dwaechte]

Again, I think you guys are speculating big time here: "Throw in the fact that Roy is almost certain to bolt for more money after 2010 and I dont think the loyal card can be played here."

If he is genuinely happy in Toronto and makes $14.25 million a year, what makes you so certain he's going to bolt for more money? He may very well sign another long-term contract in Toronto. Now I'm not saying he's not going to look around because I DON'T KNOW THE GUY... but similarly, you can't say it is "almost certain" when nothing in his public behavior at all has dictated that.

I agree, you have to look out for the team first and you can't get married to one player, and of course GMs should field all offers. If Halladay wanted out and was going to test the free agent market, sure, trade him now while you can. Or if you think he's going to decline and don't want to pay him the big bucks, go ahead.

I'm pretty sure I never said anything about it being a bad business move or anything. I just said I didn't like it. Call me old fashioned, but in a day and age where there is no team loyalty whatsoever anymore, I like the Derek Jeters and the Roy Oswalts and the Roy Halladays etc etc who spend their entire careers in one spot.

I'd love to see Halladay stay, and I love seeing those types of players as well; I think everyone does.

But the fact is that all indications are that he'll give a hometown discount, but not a ridiculous one. There is no way he signs for under $20M, and no way he signs for unless he feels the team is a contender. With the payroll commitments the Jays have, the most likely situation is that they would need to field a payroll of $120M+ in 2011 and beyond to be competitive.

This is really all about finding what's best for both sides, and they're exploring all options. From everything that's being said and has been said, I have full confidence that whether Roy moves or whether he stays, he will be very happy about how it goes down.

[VegasDave]

I'd love to see Halladay stay, and I love seeing those types of players as well; I think everyone does.

But the fact is that all indications are that he'll give a hometown discount, but not a ridiculous one. There is no way he signs for under $20M, and no way he signs for unless he feels the team is a contender. With the payroll commitments the Jays have, the most likely situation is that they would need to field a payroll of $120M+ in 2011 and beyond to be competitive.

This is really all about finding what's best for both sides, and they're exploring all options. From everything that's being said and has been said, I have full confidence that whether Roy moves or whether he stays, he will be very happy about how it goes down.

That's the important thing. No doubt the Blue Jays should be able to stockpile on top-of-the-line young talent through this trade, and a destination like Philly could give Halladay a chance to pitch on the big stage.

[MrMonkey]

This is all that Philly sports' radio is talking about!!! From what I know, Phils have 2 good outfield prospects (Brown, Taylor) and 3 pitchers (Drabek, Carrasco, Savery) as top 5 in system IMO!

Phils biggest concern current and beyond? STARTING PITCHING! Everyday lineup, Howard, Utley, Rollins, (Victorino, Werth,2 guys who have proved are everyday players) Ruiz (LaRussa would love this .240 guy who plays D and handles pitchers) OK, 6 guys who could be here for years! Ibanez if healthy another 2 and Felix probably 1?

I see Hamels (1 or 2) and Blanton (3 or 4) as legit for 2010! Moyer signed but 2-3 pitches every game from calling it quits on his own! Happ can be here but unlike opinion on radio, I say trade him if possible! The 5th guy???? Get Halladay, bring up Carrasco and there's your 5 for at least this year. Park or Kendrick if someone gets hurt!

If you could in some way include Happ, 1 outfielder, Marsen and Donald (c and ss in minors) and anyone and everyone in minors except Drabek, Savery, and Carrasco! Why the latter hasn't had a shot in the Bigs yet I have no idea! Usually the Carib players are more advanced early on. Possibly the past cheap Phils don't want the arbitration process to start so soon! Howard was in the minors way too long!

Drabek would be the one guy that is completely untouchable right now! I have seen the Marlins for years hang in pennant races for years with good, young pitchin. Probably won't happen, but I dream of seeing seeing Drabek, Carrasco, and Savery at CBPark winning many games! I know 20 game winners aren't as frequent in this day and age, but the Phils last farm system product that did this was Chris Short (Willie Bee might be the only person who remembers who he was)

Oh, the Phils have always been tight with money, but their regulars signed for 2010 (including no Myers, just let him go) adds 25 mil to an already high payroll for them! They would get Halladay for 2010, probably go to highest bidder (not Phils) after that. Then time for young arms to show up! Only problem could be no trade clause which might mean Halladay would want extended contract before trade. With the current Phils payroll, that IMO would never happen!

Can the Phils win it again, should win the division with the current team as is, except don't think they will win in the postseason! Thought they got lucky last year since pitching is what you need in the playoffs! Great pitching usually bests great hitting at that time! Hamels, Blanton, Moyer, starters for 1st 3 games of any playoff series? Don't think so! Let's go Phighting Phils!

[DennisGreen]

Roy stated in an interview he wants to stay in Toronto. He is one loyal mofo, and says he wants to win and win in Toronto. If he does go I am almost 100% positive it won't be to Boston or the Yanks, I would guess the Phillies or Dodgers in the NL, or Texas in the AL as he is from Texas. I mean sadly the Jays probably should trade him if they can get 3 blue chip prospects who will dominate in a few years, but I'd hate to see Roy go.