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  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #1
    Vegas Supervisors/Managers All Leaving
    Every major bookmaker has left Las Vegas the last 12 months this is just the beginning to the end of sports betting in Las Vegas that we know it.

    More and more will be leaving in the coming years to the other states in the USA.


    Do you want to make $12-$15 an hour hour in Vegas or a make double triple or four times that amount in other states?

    Las Vegas is going to be the biggest loser in the sports betting arena in the coming years it’s going to be and also ran at best.

    They thought they had the market cornered and now going to be just a dot on the USA map
  • KVB
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 05-29-14
    • 74817

    #2
    Interesting.

    Vegas needs to reinvent themselves again. The last reinventing just became a nickel and dime experience.

    Vegas seems costly anymore...lol.

    But Nevada is still the hub and plenty of action is going on there.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      Las Vegas as a whole always be a Destiination of course great place to visit but not to live and not to bet sports anymore

      New Jersey’s been in the game six months and blew them out of the water with technology and innovation

      We haven’t even hit 5% of USA growth yet
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      • CWD
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-22-12
        • 7665

        #4
        All books are run by corporations there are no mom and pop

        So what you saying the corporations are leaving lol

        And last time i checked william hill was branching out to other states its the same people different state in most cases

        interesting? more like idiotic. bookmaker isnt even a position in reality in vegas unless u talking manager or ticket writer, but they arent making lines far from it
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        • KVB
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 05-29-14
          • 74817

          #5
          Same story everywhere. Low vig shops don't take our action, doesn't matter what state.

          Vegas still king there.

          I said Will Hill would run the show.

          But they aren't all that with limits, etc.

          Major Vegas originators should just spin off or start a national book.

          They probably already leave local East coast shops out to dry, similar to what Vegas does to Tahoe.

          They need to all go online.
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            William Hill is not dominating any longer

            New Jersey plenty of non-William Hill books out and there’s a lot of competition that has better software platforms and they are much better run

            It’s very interesting how they all packed up and left Las Vegas basically had their suitcases packed before the books even opened up
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            • Darkside Magick
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-28-10
              • 12638

              #7
              Originally posted by KVB
              Same story everywhere. Low vig shops don't take our action, doesn't matter what state.

              Vegas still king there.

              I said Will Hill would run the show.

              But they aren't all that with limits, etc.

              Major Vegas originators should just spin off or start a national book.

              They probably already leave local East coast shops out to dry, similar to what Vegas does to Tahoe.

              They need to all go online.
              A national book is the way to go.. Operate it like a offshore book with everything to bet from NFL to darts
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                They’ll never be a national book There will be a hundred properties when it’s all said and done

                The more different properties the better it is for the gambler like New Jersey and Las Vegas

                What’s going to happen next the big liquidity providers also known as so-called professional gamblers and scalpers are going to leave Vegas and then they’re in trouble

                The whales will not go anymore because they’ll stick to their own home states

                Nevada is going to do everything in their power to prevent California from passing it or then it’s all over
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                • KVB
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 05-29-14
                  • 74817

                  #9
                  I'm not so sure Gold.

                  Why would I cut off the runners in Vegas when I can just add more money in other states?

                  Liquidity providers won't leave, they'll just expand to more areas.

                  Last I checked, I could still make bets in Vegas Books, they haven't gone anywhere.

                  The sharp groups will grow with the industry, not limit themselves geographically.

                  Been doing this for years.
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                  • Darkside Magick
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 05-28-10
                    • 12638

                    #10
                    @ KVB

                    When you say big money players are not going to limit themselves geographically.. What are they going to do

                    Like going state to state which are favorable to lay bets
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                    • KVB
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 05-29-14
                      • 74817

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Darkside Magick
                      @ KVB

                      When you say big money players are not going to limit themselves geographically.. What are they going to do

                      Like going state to state which are favorable to lay bets
                      We can already see lines in Jersey on services.

                      If you are already in the business of remotely placing bets in Vegas using people, there is no reason why you couldn't expand that same business.

                      Plenty of guys in Jersey hoping to be a runner.

                      I know big money that bets only in Vegas but doesn't live in Vegas, or Nevada for that matter.

                      This is why they should all go online, save us all some trouble...lol.
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                      • KVB
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 05-29-14
                        • 74817

                        #12
                        Bottom line, though, this thread should name a book that has actually left Vegas, like the title says.

                        I must be missing something, there is no reason to leave Vegas, just to expand elsewhere.
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                        • Philmill
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-30-11
                          • 4275

                          #13
                          Vegas has been promoting the Family Vacation Destination for 20+ years.. with shopping and entertainment.... Sportsbooks a small part of that....California the 7th largest economy in the world just a few hours away....

                          settle down Gold....
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                          • 19th Hole
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 03-22-09
                            • 18953

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jjgold
                            Every major bookmaker has left Las Vegas the last 12 months this is just the beginning to the end of sports betting in Las Vegas that we know it.

                            More and more will be leaving in the coming years to the other states in the USA.

                            Do you want to make $12-$15 an hour hour in Vegas or a make double triple or four times that amount in other states?
                            Las Vegas is going to be the biggest loser in the sports betting arena in the coming years it’s going to be and also ran at best.
                            They thought they had the market cornered and now going to be just a dot on the USA map

                            FAKE NEWS from rural Lehigh farm boy.
                            JJ get back in the game. Get out of Whitehall


                            #ANumbersGame - Las Vegas assures us handle is up, even with other states taking wagers.
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                            • CWD
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-22-12
                              • 7665

                              #15
                              yeah gold and offshore will be just fine too

                              Lol
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                              • ans61201
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-11-15
                                • 3661

                                #16
                                SBR cannot be cool with morning shift JJ doing meth on the job.
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                                • ChuckyTheGoat
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 04-04-11
                                  • 37430

                                  #17
                                  This seems like more JJ Gold blabber.

                                  South Pt seems to be doing fine. Vaccaro is still there, right?

                                  What about Westgate? That's a GREAT book. Check out their -105 NFL Thursdays, nice promo.
                                  Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                  • ans61201
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 10-11-15
                                    • 3661

                                    #18
                                    Runners are so much less common then sbr seems to believe. I’m
                                    Not going to make too many jokes on how silly it is because people are convinced with what they believe on the subject but how the invision it for the most part just really isn’t reality outside of the 0.01%



                                    That part aside sportsbook are just a desert item for Vegas. One of the smallest grossing items on the menu. They’re not worried about other states where their companies will dominate as well. I
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                                    • GimpedMaster
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 11-15-10
                                      • 764

                                      #19
                                      What do some of these casinos and books nation wide want to see on a resume? I'm guessing multi generational deadbeat and degenerate isn't going to help draw many phone calls back?

                                      Should be opportunities for us wiseguys to land a job we don't hate all over the country soon.
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                                      • KVB
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 05-29-14
                                        • 74817

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ans61201
                                        Runners are so much less common then sbr seems to believe. I’m
                                        Not going to make too many jokes on how silly it is because people are convinced with what they believe on the subject but how the invision it for the most part just really isn’t reality outside of the 0.01%



                                        That part aside sportsbook are just a desert item for Vegas. One of the smallest grossing items on the menu. They’re not worried about other states where their companies will dominate as well. I
                                        Agree with this post about Vegas, it is just expanding nationwide, nobody is leaving anything...lol...but many guys in Vegas are working for others.

                                        I think people making bets for others is more common than you realize. I know many.

                                        There are already guys in Jersey running, have been for a while now.

                                        That's why Will Hill suck donkey diks, they are not conducive to a small operation with larger bets. From a bettors standpoint, Will Hill has to be played with a larger operation of smaller bets.

                                        Vegas and it's industry will be fine. When it comes to online, your outs need to have outs...I can't really get much more detailed but that's how you grow and stay in the online game.

                                        You must spread your action.
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388179

                                          #21
                                          I titled the thread wrong I mean the people running the Las Vegas books all the top guys are gone

                                          Vegas sports books in five years are going to be empty they’re already empty on weekdays

                                          I love how guys move their Now they are going to go back to their home states when they get legal sports


                                          Vegas a minority crime riddled City

                                          The sports book managers could not wait to get out of that dump City
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                                          • CWD
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 01-22-12
                                            • 7665

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                            I titled the thread wrong I mean the people running the Las Vegas books all the top guys are gone

                                            Vegas sports books in five years are going to be empty they’re already empty on weekdays

                                            I love how guys move their Now they are going to go back to their home states when they get legal sports


                                            Vegas a minority crime riddled City

                                            The sports book managers could not wait to get out of that dump City
                                            those guys only making $12 an hour

                                            why do other states pay more ?

                                            maybe have a mod delete thread
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                                            • Philmill
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-30-11
                                              • 4275

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                              I titled the thread wrong I mean the people running the Las Vegas books all the top guys are gone

                                              Vegas sports books in five years are going to be empty they’re already empty on weekdays

                                              I love how guys move their Now they are going to go back to their home states when they get legal sports


                                              Vegas a minority crime riddled City

                                              The sports book managers could not wait to get out of that dump City
                                              Don't let the door hit them where the god lord split them..... Next.....!!!! They will be replaced in a few minutes
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                They must of been making peanuts in Vegas and bolted in seconds

                                                Vaccaro now leaving South point...MAJOR BLOW THERE..going to Phila and Pitt
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                                                • kyhawk
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 06-21-08
                                                  • 1012

                                                  #25
                                                  I remember that Vacarro guy writing tickets at the Barbary Coast.

                                                  Later, he was the boss of FH good friend and mine at the Nugget.

                                                  Fuk I am old.
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                                                  • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 04-04-11
                                                    • 37430

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by kyhawk
                                                    I remember that Vacarro guy writing tickets at the Barbary Coast.

                                                    Later, he was the boss of FH good friend and mine at the Nugget.

                                                    Fuk I am old.
                                                    Tell some Vaccaro stories. Did u write any tickets for 1980 Olympic hockey?
                                                    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                    • TommieGunshot
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 03-27-12
                                                      • 1607

                                                      #27
                                                      Everything you said here is just made up bullshit. I think the last Las Vegas sports book to leave the market was Aliante, and that happened right around when Prince died. Before that it was Lucky's and Leroy's in 2012.

                                                      All these sports books are likely to expand to other states, while remaining in Nevada. They'll also lose their monopoly and face competition. And some of the books will continue to merge and consolidate, just as they've been doing for decades. But all that is just stating the obvious
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by TommieGunshot
                                                        Everything you said here is just made up bullshit. I think the last Las Vegas sports book to leave the market was Aliante, and that happened right around when Prince died. Before that it was Lucky's and Leroy's in 2012.

                                                        All these sports books are likely to expand to other states, while remaining in Nevada. They'll also lose their monopoly and face competition. And some of the books will continue to merge and consolidate, just as they've been doing for decades. But all that is just stating the obvious
                                                        I meant Vegas guys running books, I titled thread wrong

                                                        Books of course will always be there and volume will be down 65%
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                                                        • darrell74
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 04-16-07
                                                          • 14648

                                                          #29
                                                          It might be a good thing.
                                                          I was thinking that more competition might make these Vegas sports books better by reducing their juice. That's been my only problem with the Vegas books is that they have uncompetitive juice. Everybody is 10 cents out here. I would like to see it at 5 cents.
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                                                          • jjgold
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-20-05
                                                            • 388179

                                                            #30
                                                            darrel where you from originally??

                                                            Eventually you can Vegas if you like and pick a great sports betting state

                                                            Vegas non gambling is really going down the drain, crime is out of control and border jumpers pouring in and doing crime

                                                            Good areas get robbed all the time
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                                                            • darrell74
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 04-16-07
                                                              • 14648

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              darrel where you from originally??

                                                              Eventually you can Vegas if you like and pick a great sports betting state

                                                              Vegas non gambling is really going down the drain, crime is out of control and border jumpers pouring in and doing crime

                                                              Good areas get robbed all the time
                                                              I wouldn't mind moving to another state if it hid a good paying job and legalized sports betting.
                                                              However I, I make okay money right now. So I'm not exactly desperate to move yet.
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                                                              • sweep
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 10-09-10
                                                                • 16753

                                                                #32
                                                                wait til you see the jaw dropping numbers Jersey puts up for November...

                                                                tens of thousands traveled thru the state for the holiday

                                                                report should be out in 10 days or so
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                                                                • TommieGunshot
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 03-27-12
                                                                  • 1607

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                  I meant Vegas guys running books, I titled thread wrong

                                                                  Books of course will always be there and volume will be down 65%
                                                                  How long did it take for volume on slots to drop 65% after the rest of the country got casinos?

                                                                  Sportsbooks in Nevada can always find someone internally. The new ones have to find someone from outside. So they’ll have to overpay. Of course some of the guys in Las Vegas are going to jump at those opportunities.
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                                                                  • sweep
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 10-09-10
                                                                    • 16753

                                                                    #34
                                                                    offshore guys migrating back to the motherland as well....i can think of one imparticular
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                                                                    • gauchojake
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 09-17-10
                                                                      • 34114

                                                                      #35
                                                                      jj I am getting on a plane in 2 hours

                                                                      will the books still be there????

                                                                      I might have to cancel my trip
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