On this my 9,994th post.. I give you all this gift................

[TheIntegrityKid]

I have to correct you here, kid. that is NOT right what you are saying..

you always know the right side of a game, well before the game starts.. and it don't matter whether it wins or loses

here is an example.

Phillies open up at -160.. you bet them at -160... line closes at Phil -134.. You are now on the wrong side of the game.. win or lose, wrong side of the game.. but if you had NYM +150 on that same game, and line closed at Philly -134.. you are now on the right side of the game.. win or lose.

kid, i am 98.7% of the time on the right side of every game.. i always make sure i beat that closing #.. if not, i am on the wrong side of the game.

Even my SD loss yesterday was the right side, even though it lost because i got +131 and line closed at +115 at some books..

im sorry but i disagree... i would say the only RIGHT side of a game is the side that pays...

maybe you can say that taking the action that most of the public is on, or maybe against, either way, is right... but i cant buy it..

maybe that strategy does work OVERALL, but on a game by game basis, the right side is the WINNING side...

im not questioning your ability or anything, just offering my opinion on what the RIGHT side of a game actually is.

you'll prob always be more successful than me in gambling, but when it comes to lines and sides, id pay any number if i was sure that side was a winner. just because i could get a good number on a side that i think should lose, doesn't mean i should take that side, just because of a valuable number. there isn't no value when that "valuable" number doesnt come thru...

[Nicky Santoro]

im sorry but i disagree... i would say the only RIGHT side of a game is the side that pays...

maybe you can say that taking the action that most of the public is on, or maybe against, either way, is right... but i cant buy it..

maybe that strategy does work OVERALL, but on a game by game basis, the right side is the WINNING side...

im not questioning your ability or anything, just offering my opinion on what the RIGHT side of a game actually is.

you'll prob always be more successful than me in gambling, but when it comes to lines and sides, id pay any number if i was sure that side was a winner. just because i could get a good number on a side that i think should lose, doesn't mean i should take that side, just because of a valuable number. there isn't no value when that "valuable" number doesnt come thru...

kid, trust me, you're wrong.. let justin or ganch come in here and you'll see they'll agree with me.

kid, if you have Lakers -12.5 at home.. and then 2 min before game, KOBE and GASOL are out.. now line is Lakers -5.5.. do you want your bet now? ok, so lakers win 113-100 and you cover.. were you on the right side? no....

kid, IF NYY open at -185 and you bet it and it closes at NYY -150... don't you think the sharp side is +175, OR NYY -185??

if you bet +175 and they lost 10-0, you were still on the right side. IF you bet NYY -185 instead of NYY -150, and they win 4-1, you were on the wrong side..

i am right, kid. ask anyone here..

[TheIntegrityKid]

kid, trust me, you're wrong.. let justin or ganch come in here and you'll see they'll agree with me.

kid, if you have Lakers -12.5 at home.. and then 2 min before game, KOBE and GASOL are out.. now line is Lakers -5.5.. do you want your bet now? ok, so lakers win 113-100 and you cover.. were you on the right side? no....

kid, IF NYY open at -185 and you bet it and it closes at NYY -150... don't you think the sharp side is +175, OR NYY -185??

if you bet +175 and they lost 10-0, you were still on the right side. IF you bet NYY -185 instead of NYY -150, and they win 4-1, you were on the wrong side..

i am right, kid. ask anyone here..

id rather be on whichever side of the game ends up winning...

like i said, overall... maybe it works in the long term to get the best numbers or follow/fade the public, but im talking about any SINGLE game

[onthewhat]

lol...wow this kid is dumb

[TheIntegrityKid]

perhaps you could PM me some of the tips/tricks of chasing steam and beating the closing number, so i can see more of what you are talking about here...

[TheIntegrityKid]

lol...wow this kid is dumb

wtf? how is wanting to be on the winning side of the game, no matter the price, dumb?

that doesnt make any sense...

[TheIntegrityKid]

kid, trust me, you're wrong.. let justin or ganch come in here and you'll see they'll agree with me.

kid, if you have Lakers -12.5 at home.. and then 2 min before game, KOBE and GASOL are out.. now line is Lakers -5.5.. do you want your bet now? ok, so lakers win 113-100 and you cover.. were you on the right side? no....

kid, IF NYY open at -185 and you bet it and it closes at NYY -150... don't you think the sharp side is +175, OR NYY -185??

if you bet +175 and they lost 10-0, you were still on the right side. IF you bet NYY -185 instead of NYY -150, and they win 4-1, you were on the wrong side..

i am right, kid. ask anyone here..

i just wanna know how the right side of any losing wager is correct...

like i said... maybe in the LONG TERM, that strategy works, but id rather be on whichever side WON THE GAME

[Nicky Santoro]

like i said, overall... maybe it works in the long term to get the best numbers or follow/fade the public, but im talking about any SINGLE game

kid, you just said the magic word..."single game" yes, over any single game, of course anything can happen.. but over the very long haul, if you are not on the right side of most games, you will go broke.. but anythign can happen in 1 single game.

heck, i've seen games that opened up at -185 in mlb.. and then 3 stars get scratched and it closes at pick em.. and i am stuck wtih -185.. thinking i just lost.. and the -185 fav wins 18-2.. doens't always work in 1 single game, but over the long haul, you will take home the money, 1000000%..

[TheIntegrityKid]

kid, you just said the magic word..."single game" yes, over any single game, of course anything can happen.. but over the very long haul, if you are not on the right side of most games, you will go broke.. but anythign can happen in 1 single game.

heck, i've seen games that opened up at -185 in mlb.. and then 3 stars get scratched and it closes at pick em.. and i am stuck wtih -185.. thinking i just lost.. and the -185 fav wins 18-2.. doens't always work in 1 single game, but over the long haul, you will take home the money, 1000000%..

ive always kinda brushed off this notion of chasing steam or following line movements and figured that the BEST option was to get the winner and pay whatever price

now, ill contend that works for SINGLE games and agree that in the long run, that may not work, because there isn't gonna be 100percent single game winners...for anyone...

now, id like to learn a lil bit more about this system, if you'd PM me some details, id appreciate it..

one IMPORTANT question tho.. if you REALLY like a team, and figure it's gonna win, would you go against it all because you liked the closing number of the other side? thats important because im sure you may because of system discipline, but i wonder how often you deviate from your system to go with instinct..

[Nicky Santoro]

one IMPORTANT question tho.. if you REALLY like a team, and figure it's gonna win, would you go against it all because you liked the closing number of the other side?

NEVER never never do i do this.. i would NEVER play a bad line because of a game i like. if you do this all the time, you will end up broke. it will catch up to you. these closing #'s are sharp and don't ever mess with them

the real accurate line is not the opening or overnight line. it is the closing line.. all you have to do is look at that and try to beat it and you'll be ok. if not, it will be trouble..


and i can't teach you how to chase steam. you have to have a feel for it. it takes years and years of experience and being able to read the screen and have the proper books..etc. plus a million other things.

study the screen and just look for books that are slow at moving and then bang them out. that is a great way to start. but you need matchy, pinny and wsex for sure..

[TheIntegrityKid]

NEVER never never do i do this.. i would NEVER play a bad line because of a game i like. if you do this all the time, you will end up broke. it will catch up to you. these closing #'s are sharp and don't ever mess with them

the real accurate line is not the opening or overnight line. it is the closing line.. all you have to do is look at that and try to beat it and you'll be ok. if not, it will be trouble..


and i can't teach you how to chase steam. you have to have a feel for it. it takes years and years of experience and being able to read the screen and have the proper books..etc. plus a million other things.

study the screen and just look for books that are slow at moving and then bang them out. that is a great way to start. but you need matchy, pinny and wsex for sure..

so then, you'd leave the game you like alone?

or take the other side because of the GREAT number...altho your instinct is telling you otherwise?

[Nicky Santoro]

so then, you'd leave the game you like alone?

or take the other side because of the GREAT number...altho your instinct is telling you otherwise?

other side because of the GREAT number.. without hesitation..

[lakerboy]

tik nicky is talking about beating the closing # not who he thinks might win. he is talking long term not one game. if i got the lakers at -3 and it closed at -3.5 i beat the closing #. now if the lakers win by 3 i still push and a guy like you who took them for -3.5 loses. in baseball the lines are so accurate it is very tedious thats why i dont bet baseball. now if me and you took that lakers bet and we both put 2k on it you would be pretty upset at losing while i get a refund and you lose juice as well. following lines is vital i check lines during nba season from opening to closing all day long - i wont bet the lakers just cause i think they will win

[TheIntegrityKid]

other side because of the GREAT number.. without hesitation..

so then you just stick to the system and hope you are wrong then...

interesting. gotta give you credit for system discipline then.

im more of the recreational/single game type where finding the winner is the important goal. until i become more serious, that system prob wont work for me.

but in the meantime, ill be sure to keep taking notes!

[TheIntegrityKid]

tik nicky is talking about beating the closing # not who he thinks might win. he is talking long term not one game. if i got the lakers at -3 and it closed at -3.5 i beat the closing #. now if the lakers win by 3 i still push and a guy like you who took them for -3.5 loses. in baseball the lines are so accurate it is very tedious thats why i dont bet baseball. now if me and you took that lakers bet and we both put 2k on it you would be pretty upset at losing while i get a refund and you lose juice as well. following lines is vital i check lines during nba season from opening to closing all day long - i wont bet the lakers just cause i think they will win

yeah... i figured he meant long term... i just took exception with the term, RIGHT SIDE, because to me, the right side is the side that cashes..

but taking into acct his method, i understand what he meant... just as he understood why i took exception because of the Single Game philosophy...

I see more of where he is coming from now. Especially when he said he would go against instinct to get the great number. That type of system discipline is commendable

[Nicky Santoro]

tik nicky is talking about beating the closing # not who he thinks might win. he is talking long term not one game. if i got the lakers at -3 and it closed at -3.5 i beat the closing #. now if the lakers win by 3 i still push and a guy like you who took them for -3.5 loses. in baseball the lines are so accurate it is very tedious thats why i dont bet baseball. now if me and you took that lakers bet and we both put 2k on it you would be pretty upset at losing while i get a refund and you lose juice as well. following lines is vital i check lines during nba season from opening to closing all day long - i wont bet the lakers just cause i think they will win

helluva post lakers.. people should read that again.. right on the money.

forget about -3 to -3.5.. what about when it goes from -3.5 to -4.5 and it lands on 4.. i win 1k.. guy that got it at -4.5 loses 1100.. i make 2100 more than anyone on the -4.5 cause i got a good #.. so 2100 extra.. x 3,000 bets a year.. that's the diff between having a great year, and going broke.

every edge you get on that line is sooooooooooooo big, you have NO IDEA boys. diff of going broke and being in the game doing ok.

i dont handicap ever, kid.. in this business, the less thinking you can do, the better. when you start thinking of who is going to win, you are in deep trouble. not one person can predict this shit. it's all about #'s..

sports gambling is allllllllllllllllll about getting the best # in every game, THAT'S IT.. nothing else.

stop trying to predict who is going to win.

[TheIntegrityKid]

tik nicky is talking about beating the closing # not who he thinks might win. he is talking long term not one game. if i got the lakers at -3 and it closed at -3.5 i beat the closing #. now if the lakers win by 3 i still push and a guy like you who took them for -3.5 loses. in baseball the lines are so accurate it is very tedious thats why i dont bet baseball. now if me and you took that lakers bet and we both put 2k on it you would be pretty upset at losing while i get a refund and you lose juice as well. following lines is vital i check lines during nba season from opening to closing all day long - i wont bet the lakers just cause i think they will win

you, me and kinger are gonna have ALOT of healthy discussion/debate come NBA season... he is great with hoops as well... my game has/always will be football... but i love all sports as well... but like i said, im more recreation than serious..

altho slowly transitioning...

[lakerboy]

yeah... i figured he meant long term... i just took exception with the term, RIGHT SIDE, because to me, the right side is the side that cashes..

but taking into acct his method, i understand what he meant... just as he understood why i took exception because of the Single Game philosophy...

I see more of where he is coming from now. Especially when he said he would go against instinct to get the great number. That type of system discipline is commendable

making money in gambling isnt gut i tried that years ago- doesnt work. on the other hand if you take the right side you will gain longterm

[Nicky Santoro]

and you know what hurts alot.. you bet an nba total at un 211... 12 seconds after you place your bet, a big move comes in on the over.. screen turns black and now.. it is 214.5 everywhere. you missed it by 12 seconds

now you got un 211 instead of un 214.5 cause you put in your bet 12 sec too soon.. game ends 112-100.. you lose the bet instead of win the bet.. and all this cause you didnt' wait 12 more seconds

how many times has this happened to gamblers? it makes you sick to the stomach..

boys, i am heading out for a few hrs for supper and dessert.. see you boys tonight or tmorrow.

[Chi_archie]

nice hit!