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  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #1
    Due Theory
    This is the way that it works.

    1. X has occurred.
    2. X does not coincide with what is expected to happen on average or over the long run.
    3. Thus, X will not occur this time.

    The Gambler’s Fallacy is based on the idea that something is due to happen and the reason it’s due to happen is that eventually things even out. This misconception is based on connecting independent phenomenon as a string of related events.
  • Shutup
    SBR MVP
    • 12-15-17
    • 2435

    #2
    I think it is more the unlikely theory. Something is unlikely because xyz. It plays a bigger role when dealing with point spreads where you may not even have to win. Not really any different than going with a hot streaking team. They are streaking because they are good not because they just randomly got hot. You have to look into reasons why something is happening and why it may not continue
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    • grease lightnin
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-01-12
      • 16015

      #3
      Sammy do not advertise when you have an edge.
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      • Sam Odom
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #4
        Originally posted by grease lightnin

        Sammy do not advertise when you have an edge.




        'The General' or General Pete believed wholeheartedly in the Due Theory as a winner
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          It’s buried me sammy

          Every game same chance
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          • Sam Odom
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-30-05
            • 58063

            #6
            Originally posted by jjgold

            It’s buried me sammy

            Can remember that horrific run you went on... very bloody
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            • Sam Odom
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 10-30-05
              • 58063

              #7
              Been hearing that the New England Patriots are DUE to win Sunday

              ML only
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              • grease lightnin
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 10-01-12
                • 16015

                #8
                You know who is due?

                Goat Milk.
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                • LT Profits
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-27-06
                  • 90963

                  #9
                  Due theory does not exist as stated above.

                  Regression does exist though, and usually it points to a team that may be considered "due".

                  So to summarize:
                  Betting on or against a team solely because opposite result is due is almost certainly a losing strategy.
                  Betting on or against a team because its peripheral numbers show that it has over(under) performed is usually +EV assuming price is right.
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                  • Easy-Rider 66
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 02-14-12
                    • 36545

                    #10
                    Due threory is that with sports and horses the odds are stacked against the player. Proceed accordingly.
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                    • ans61201
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-11-15
                      • 3661

                      #11
                      I see it at a roulette table everytime I walk through a casino and 12 straight blacks have been hit lol
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        Excellent point



                        Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                        Due threory is that with sports and horses the odds are stacked against the player. Proceed accordingly.
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                        • Sam Odom
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 10-30-05
                          • 58063

                          #13
                          JJ

                          how well would the Due Theory work... If you take small dogs (+105 to +120) ??
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                          • LT Profits
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 10-27-06
                            • 90963

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sam Odom
                            JJ

                            how well would the Due Theory work... If you take small dogs (+105 to +120) ??
                            Coming off how many losses in a row?
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                            • Sam Odom
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 10-30-05
                              • 58063

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LT Profits

                              Coming off how many losses in a row?

                              For the sake of conversation... 3 losses

                              Not to get too deep into the weeds but Say a MLB team last three on the road were losses then back home as a small dog
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                              • KVB
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 05-29-14
                                • 74817

                                #16
                                Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                Sammy do not advertise when you have an edge.
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                                • LT Profits
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 10-27-06
                                  • 90963

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                  For the sake of conversation... 3 losses

                                  Not to get too deep into the weeds but Say a MLB team last three on the road were losses then back home as a small dog
                                  Believe it or not, all dogs +105 to +120 off of 3+ Losses are 568-634 , +4.35 since 2005.

                                  Interestingly ROAD teams +27.01, Home teams -22.66
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                                  • Sam Odom
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-30-05
                                    • 58063

                                    #18
                                    LT
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                                    • jjgold
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-20-05
                                      • 388179

                                      #19
                                      Most of us squares

                                      We chase due
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                                      • xraygord
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-18-09
                                        • 2599

                                        #20
                                        JJ's due for a blow job.
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                                        • odog11
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-14-11
                                          • 3874

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by LT Profits
                                          Due theory does not exist as stated above.

                                          Regression does exist though, and usually it points to a team that may be considered "due".

                                          So to summarize:
                                          Betting on or against a team solely because opposite result is due is almost certainly a losing strategy.
                                          Betting on or against a team because its peripheral numbers show that it has over(under) performed is usually +EV assuming price is right.
                                          Right, it's not when a team is "due", but rather that recent poor results are not indicative of performance. Opposite can be true of "hot" teams. See this in hockey a lot, puck luck, hot goalie, facing tired teams etc. Not always easy to spot in advance though.
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388179

                                            #22
                                            Most of us squares
                                            We love trends
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                                            • KVB
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 05-29-14
                                              • 74817

                                              #23
                                              It's not the information, it's how you use it.

                                              Trends like that can be useful when you start to see something completely neglected in this thread. It's the effect that those trends can have on the the marketplace.

                                              When a team like New England starts losing, or even not covering, there becomes pressure in that marketplace for a win, from high expectations all the way down to the chaser who is doubling up and then some each game. They are all groups of money that tend to swell.

                                              Unless you are making your own line and comparing that to the marketplace, it's tough to gauge just when the market has been sent enough out of whack to make it advantageous to pull the trigger.

                                              In that sense, the due factor, prevalent in the marketplace, can adjust the offered line enough that you have a play. It's just one small piece of the whole pie that is the play.

                                              In my opinion, it's often, but not always, best to let some trends just be the tiny slice that moves the market, and not have it be a part of the pie that you are already whipping up.

                                              Over the years I've used the CFL to explain how this operates with real time examples. Those who've read, know.

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                                              • KVB
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 05-29-14
                                                • 74817

                                                #24
                                                There really is so much more to it as well. Just how efficient is an early season line as these teams begin to fail.

                                                Or any time of the season for that matter.

                                                When the line is, say too low for New England, then the trend could grow the line until all value on the favorite, that has been losing, is gone.

                                                Then you get the win or cover.

                                                The originators and books outright school the marketplace some times.

                                                And they school certain groups of bettors nearly all the time. Members go in and out of those groups, but the groups as a whole get taken.

                                                That's where the shifting members contribute to the give and take of the markets, and those who stay in some groups are perennially losing, not much give to the take.
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                                                • reigle9
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 10-25-07
                                                  • 17879

                                                  #25
                                                  was going to post "we're due" in the thread about vegas winning 61 months in a row, but was sober and didn't have the energy to make fun of retards that didn't understand my joke
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                                                  • kingdom
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-25-10
                                                    • 10099

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Shutup
                                                    I think it is more the unlikely theory. Something is unlikely because xyz. It plays a bigger role when dealing with point spreads where you may not even have to win. Not really any different than going with a hot streaking team. They are streaking because they are good not because they just randomly got hot. You have to look into reasons why something is happening and why it may not continue

                                                    Pirates won 9 in a row in middle of season. it was not because they are good. could be opponents, odd luck, etc. miami dolphins come to mind. one of the most unimpressive 3 game nfl winning streaks you will ever see. heavy dose of reality coming their way sunday.
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                                                    • Sam Odom
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-30-05
                                                      • 58063

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Sam Odom

                                                      Been hearing that the New England Patriots are DUE to win Sunday

                                                      ML only


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