New York teams

**JIBBBY** · 09-12-18, 11:35 AM

Jets looked ok in game 1, but that rookie QB should shimmy at times, hard to come in as a rook and play like a veteran QB for the entire season...

Oh and the Giants suck and so do the Cowboys.. Both should be bottom dwellers in that division this season....

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 11:35 AM

Tony ? gurley wasn’t a factor? - Rams O-line took over in the 2nd half and open enormous holes- Goff was not touch

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Jets looked ok in game 1, but that rookie QB should shimmy at times, hard to come in as a rook and play like a veteran QB for the entire season...

Oh and the Giants suck and so do the Cowboys.. Both should be bottom dwellers in that division this season....

Very cute Jibbs lol

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Awesome. What area of philly do you have roots

lower merion

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Tony ? gurley wasn’t a factor? - Rams O-line took over in the 2nd half and open enormous holes- Goff was not touch

are we still talking about last season ? vs. the Jags ?

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 09-12-18, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

lower merion

Nice. The Main line. Kobe Bryant Territory

**JIBBBY** · 09-12-18, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Tony ? gurley wasn’t a factor? - Rams O-line took over in the 2nd half and open enormous holes- Goff was not touch

Rams looked tough. Goff threw some horrible passes though in the red zone and was lucky he was not picked a couple of times against the Raiders..

Goff needs to clean up that part of his game.. Rams didn't use Gurley enough either in that game I thought..

**johnnyvegas13** · 09-12-18, 11:43 AM

I woudnt say Giants suck

they lost a close one to tha jags

I think jets have better playoff chance cause of conf and div

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

are we still talking about last season ? vs. the Jags ?

No I’m talking about Monday night - rams would of won without gurley- o- line dominated the 2nd half

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Nice. The Main line. Kobe Bryant Territory

funny story is when we talk about School, my wife went to the same school and kids will say, oh you went to the same school as Kobe Bryant
No, Kobe went to the same school as I did, because I was there 20 years Before him. lol

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

No I’m talking about Monday night - rams would of won without gurley- o- line dominated the 2nd half

How did we get into Monday's night game ?

I gave you stats from last years Jag/Rams game. it was the other game that the Jags gave up over 100 yards rushing

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 09-12-18, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

funny story is when we talk about School, my wife went to the same school and kids will say, oh you went to the same school as Kobe Bryant
No, Kobe went to the same school because I was there 20 years Before him. lol

Have you been there lately ? The gym is like a kobe museum

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Rams looked tough. Goff threw some horrible passes though in the red zone and was lucky he was not picked a couple of times against the Raiders..

Goff needs to clean up that part of his game.. Rams didn't use Gurley enough either in that game I thought..

Goff is good when everything is going perfect- the second there’s pressure and he has 2 change direction - he blows

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 11:51 AM

Rams are good but I don’t think there eagles/Vikings good

**johnnyvegas13** · 09-12-18, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Rams are good but I don’t think there eagles/Vikings good

Rams and Vikings r good

but neither is eagles good

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Have you been there lately ? The gym is like a kobe museum

Yes saw it not too long ago.

Are you in Philly ? what part ?

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 09-12-18, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

Yes saw it not too long ago.

Are you in Philly ? what part ?

Yes in philly. Old city part of town. I’m a block in from Delaware ave. Can see Dave & Busters from my front window

**LT Profits** · 09-12-18, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

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I understand what you're saying, but when did they start taking away big runs from players ??

my point was how many times last season did the Jags give up over 100 yards rushing ?

and I'm not taking anything away from the Jags, I like them and had them last season to win both the AFC and SB

But from a HANDICAPPING standpoint, we should rate run defense performance for Week 1 Excellent despite what box score says. Forget the 5.0 YPC and focus on % of successful runs.

**LT Profits** · 09-12-18, 01:51 PM

I just checked, Giants had THREE rushes of four yards or more out of 23 carries. Jax defense is just fine.

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Yes in philly. Old city part of town. I’m a block in from Delaware ave. Can see Dave & Busters from my front window

ok, I know the area

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

But from a HANDICAPPING standpoint, we should rate run defense performance for Week 1 Excellent despite what box score says. Forget the 5.0 YPC and focus on % of successful runs.

so if a RB runs for let's say 200 yards in a game on 23 carries , 2 of the 23 went for 50+ yards we shouldn't count them because his other yardage was a lot lower ?
wouldn't that be blown coverage , missed tackle(s), sloppy playing, etc.

you do have to remember his 68 yard run was for a TD
I just can't overlook that.

again, not taking anything away from the Jags D, but they weren't lights out

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 02:25 PM

Tony numbers can be deceiving- anyone that watch the whole game ? Knows Giants wasn’t able 2 Run the ball

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Tony numbers can be deceiving- anyone that watch the whole game ? Knows Giants wasn’t able 2 Run the ball

I get it, I really do. and I watch every game played that day. I always go back and watch the replays of all NFL games

Think of this, if the Jags didn't get a pick6 Off the deflection, what would the score be ?

You can't go by that one play, because they could get those 7 points somewhere else. Just like you can't say because there was ONE big running play
and you can't count it.

again, I'm not taking away anything from the Jags, just giving a little more credit to the Giants

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 02:50 PM

Tony you would agree giants fail running the ball?

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 02:52 PM

I already said giants will be a solid team

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Tony you would agree giants fail running the ball?

overall, Yes
but my statement was that i wasn't that impressed because they still allowed over 100 yards rushing. something they did only Twice last season including the playoffs.

I truly believe the Jags will not miss a beat, they just need to step up their game.

and if it was Peyton behind center Sunday instead of Eli, the Giants could have won that game.

**allabout the $$$** · 09-12-18, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

overall, Yes
but my statement was that i wasn't that impressed because they still allowed over 100 yards rushing. something they did only Twice last season including the playoffs.

I truly believe the Jags will not miss a beat, they just need to step up their game.

and if it was Peyton behind center Sunday instead of Eli, the Giants could have won that game.

Giants had an opportunity with eli to win. I also think its proven peyton was the better overall qb. Id take eli in a big game over peyton all day

**LT Profits** · 09-12-18, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

so if a RB runs for let's say 200 yards in a game on 23 carries , 2 of the 23 went for 50+ yards we shouldn't count them because his other yardage was a lot lower ?
wouldn't that be blown coverage , missed tackle(s), sloppy playing, etc.

you do have to remember his 68 yard run was for a TD
I just can't overlook that.

again, not taking anything away from the Jags D, but they weren't lights out

Did you even see Post #54?

That should dispel all doubts about Jax defensive performance vs. the run. Successful run % is one of the best stats to use when trying to predict future performance. To use a baseball analogy, successful run % would be xFIP and YPC would be ERA. Not hard to figure out which one is predictive and which one is descriptive.

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

Giants had an opportunity with eli to win. I also think its proven peyton was the better overall qb. Id take eli in a big game over peyton all day

unfortunately this is true.
By the time Peyton was able to get his next SB ring, he should have been done and finished with.
even in his first win his stats were nothing to write home about.

Eli on the other hand was always good in the big game.

My problem is that I believe he is fading since last season and just about the time he should pull a "Peyton" and hang it up.
I'm probably wrong and he will be ok this season, but he's only as good with what he has around him, and this is one of his best offenses
so either he goes out there and show me I'm wrong, or you won't see him next season with the NYG.

**SBR Tony** · 09-12-18, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Did you even see Post #54?

That should dispel all doubts about Jax defensive performance vs. the run. Successful run % is one of the best stats to use when trying to predict future performance. To use a baseball analogy, successful run % would be xFIP and YPC would be ERA. Not hard to figure out which one is predictive and which one is descriptive.

ok, I'll have to remember that any 50+ Runs don't count. Got it, Thanks

**LT Profits** · 09-12-18, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

ok, I'll have to remember that any 50+ Runs don't count. Got it, Thanks

Nice way to twist my words.

What you need to remember is Successful run % is light years more important than raw YPC when predicting the future, and this game illustrated that perfectly. Remember, everyone's goal is to pick winners and it is important to now what stats are important and what noise to filter out.

**Optional** · 09-12-18, 04:06 PM

This thread ended up being a lot more useful than expected.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 04:08 PM

Can’t believe Jacksonville vs patriots isn’t on Sunday night or Monday night? Tommy boy might get hurt this week -

**ikid2groove415** · 09-12-18, 04:14 PM

Tony is a tough out - but you ain’t winning this argument - that Barkley touchdown came very late - I’m guessing Jagz defense was caught off guard - OBJ was worthless - another reason 2 not pay WR

**allabout the $$$** · 09-12-18, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by SBR Tony

My problem is that I believe he is fading since last season and just about the time he should pull a "Peyton" and hang it up.
I'm probably wrong and he will be ok this season, but he's only as good with what he has around him, and this is one of his best offenses
so either he goes out there and show me I'm wrong, or you won't see him next season with the NYG.

I wouldn't judge eli on last year.

No running game, OBJ, Flowers couldn't block me.

This year imo will show if he should hang it up, or play for another 2-3 years. we will see

They need to get rid of Flowers and this offense will be putting up 20+ points a game