Why does Terry Bradshaw dislike HC Tomlin so much ?

[Sam Odom]

Rhetoric will be heating up even more after yesterday

[2daBank]

Umm because he sees him get outclassed when it comes to game plan and in game management every week. As terry says, great cheerleader, not so great at the x’s And O’s.

[Heltah Skeltah]

Tomlin is holding Pittsburgh back

[Sam Odom]

almost impossible for Pitt to cut him loose in current climate

[2daBank]

almost impossible for Pitt to cut him loose in current climate

Despite what i said I don’t see why they would or should??. He does lots well, game planning/in game adjustments just not his strength. That said who they gonna get who better? I strongly agree w steelers approach of sticking w guys as they have proven cohesiveness can win you a lot of games in this league.

[Sam Odom]

Steelers Organization are Loyal

[LT Profits]

Because Terry is spot on. Tomlin too much of a player's coach too concerned with creating a "family" atmosphere and he oftentimes has team unprepared to play on Sunday, Good team record is in spite of him, not because of him.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Bradshaw is an idiot; he thinks the Steelers should be as good as they were in the 70's even though the salary cap makes it impossible.

[turkkatarian]

Terry Bradshaw is right. the Steelers perennially have great drafts and always have an offense and tomlin is supposed to be this defensive guru yet the Steelers defense sucks or is weak. Tomlin needs to go. He's not smart enough Period. There are a Lot of candidates to replace him. Especially with how well they draft.

[2daBank]

Because Terry is spot on. Tomlin too much of a player's coach too concerned with creating a "family" atmosphere and he oftentimes has team unprepared to play on Sunday, Good team record is in spite of him, not because of him.

Wouldn’t you agree there something to be said for his strengths and that atmosphere has prob contributed to as many wins as his poor in game has cost them?

[2daBank]

Terry Bradshaw is right. the Steelers perennially have great drafts and always have an offense and tomlin is supposed to be this defensive guru yet the Steelers defense sucks or is weak. Tomlin needs to go. He's not smart enough Period. There are a Lot of candidates to replace him. Especially with how well they draft.

It’s cute you think there some tree out there growing better coaches than him. Have you not looked around at all the shit hires that flame out every year?

Clearly I agree w some what ya’ll saying but you high if you think firing him would magically lead to a better coach, there just not all that many to go around.

[Venom72]

Despite what i said I don’t see why they would or should??. He does lots well, game planning/in game adjustments just not his strength. That said who they gonna get who better? I strongly agree w steelers approach of sticking w guys as they have proven cohesiveness can win you a lot of games in this league.

Exactly, tons of other coaches that should go way before him and even if they did fire him hed have a new job in no time, we got coaches like marivin lewis and jason garret still around but ppl wanna talk shit bout tomlin

[turkkatarian]

It’s cute you think there some tree out there growing better coaches than him. Have you not looked around at all the shit hires that flame out every year?

Clearly I agree w some what ya’ll saying but you high if you think firing him would magically lead to a better coach, there just not all that many to go around.

Are you serious? a team with the Games best WR, the Games best RB and a Pro Bowl Super Bowl QB cannot compete for a title and always gets wrecked in the Playoffs?? Are You serious? Tomlin is not qualified. His rah rah style has faded.

[Sam Odom]

... but ppl wanna talk shit bout tomlin

Yeah , ppl like Terry Bradshaw

[2daBank]

Are you serious? a team with the Games best WR, the Games best RB and a Pro Bowl Super Bowl QB cannot compete for a title and always gets wrecked in the Playoffs?? Are You serious? Tomlin is not qualified. His rah rah style has faded.

Correct me if I’m wrong but last I checked they always in contention and have in fact won a super bowl or 2 with him!! I think rapeburger has cost them playoff games, I think if it wasn’t for pats who destroy his zone d they woulda prob been in 3-4 sb under his watch. I have also said before anyone else in thread that yes his game planning and in game are far from great, just think you being foolish or blind to think it easy to find a better coach.

[jtoler]

won a super bowl as a head coach and assistant coach and runner up in another super bowl. everybody has an opinion, you wont find another coach with his resume negatively chimed about like him. only behind belichick(.680) in current coaches winning percentage, tomlin is at .658, 15th highest in history, 10 percentage pts higher than bradshaw's coach chuck noll. bradshaw is arguably the worst qb in the hall of fame and only there because of great receivers who were always stretching out making amazing catches and from being on great overall teams. completed 51.8% of passes over his career, meaning whenever he let it go half the time it wasnt gonna be completed, 212 tds and 210 int's.

[turkkatarian]

Correct me if I’m wrong but last I checked they always in contention and have in fact won a super bowl or 2 with him!! I think rapeburger has cost them playoff games, I think if it wasn’t for pats who destroy his zone d they woulda prob been in 3-4 sb under his watch. I have also said before anyone else in thread that yes his game planning and in game are far from great, just think you being foolish or blind to think it easy to find a better coach.

They won 1 with him 2008 and lost 1 with him 2010 vs Packers. They do make the playoffs but always end up choking vs Pats or Ravens or Donkeys and last year vs Jags. I just think the Steelers need a new direction.

[2daBank]

They won 1 with him 2008 and lost 1 with him 2010 vs Packers. They do make the playoffs but always end up choking vs Pats or Ravens or Donkeys and last year vs Jags. I just think the Steelers need a new direction.

I don’t 100% disagree, i just think when everyone yells for a new coach in a situation like this they take for granted the current ones strengths and how many terrible coaching hires are made every year.. if it wasn’t for Brady and hoody totally outclassing that zone he always so insistent on playing they would have been in what 4 SB’s? Yes if I was a steeler fan it would be infuriating to watch Bb’s always own him and mostly cause he too stubborn or incapable of playing some man! That said it the best coach/qb combo in history that has stood in their way. I just don’t buy a different coach would have changed that. It not that I disagree w your premise cause I don’t, it that i see lot of bad hires come and go that surely wouldn’t have gotten steelers past pats either.

One last thing and maybe this some his fault. For all steelers talent they also a bunch of “me first” rather look good than win types, I think that a big reason why pats own them.

[Sam Odom]

One last thing and maybe this some his fault. For all steelers talent they also a bunch of “me first” rather look good than win types, I think that a big reason why pats own them.

Bradshaw thinks that has a lot to do with Tomlin not just some

[jtoler]

Yeah , ppl like Terry Bradshaw

if so its because they see him as a clown, nuts, wacko, someone like barkley who's really not to be taking seriously

[swordsandtequila]

Bradshaw didn't like his own coach and they won 4 superbowls. Don't think he'd be the guy I'd go to for coaching advice. And last I looked, Tomlin wasn't chucking up 3 picks and 2 fumbles yesterday. Throughout his career Big Ben on the road has been average at best. Not saying Tomlin is perfect, but c'mon.

[jizay]

Correct me if I’m wrong but last I checked they always in contention and have in fact won a super bowl or 2 with him!! I think rapeburger has cost them playoff games, I think if it wasn’t for pats who destroy his zone d they woulda prob been in 3-4 sb under his watch. I have also said before anyone else in thread that yes his game planning and in game are far from great, just think you being foolish or blind to think it easy to find a better coach.

Just to play devil's advocate: They won 1 super bowl with Tomlin, in his second year after he took over. The defense that year did not allow a single 300 yard game by an opposing offense (until the super bowl itself). I'm not saying 300 yards passing, I'm saying 300 total yards. That's insane. But the defense was built before he took over and coached by Dick Lebeau, who continued as defensive coordinator after Tomlin took over. One could argue that he inherited a super bowl as much as won one.

[LT Profits]

Wouldn’t you agree there something to be said for his strengths and that atmosphere has prob contributed to as many wins as his poor in game has cost them?

Point is they have had the talent to win one or two more Super Bowls during his tenure, his weaknesses become glaring at the worst time (post-season).

Look no further than last year when he rested all starters in Week 17 with first round bye following and he had them ill prepared vs, Jax falling behind 21-0 in blink of an eye. Then came that atrocity of an onside kick at end of game because they had not worked on onsides all week, not expecting to be trailing late.

[swordsandtequila]

Just to play devil's advocate: They won 1 super bowl with Tomlin, in his second year after he took over. The defense that year did not allow a single 300 yard game by an opposing offense (until the super bowl itself). I'm not saying 300 yards passing, I'm saying 300 total yards. That's insane. But the defense was built before he took over and coached by Dick Lebeau, who continued as defensive coordinator after Tomlin took over. One could argue that he inherited a super bowl as much as won one.

Yeah, but one could also argue that same defense missed the playoffs the year prior to Tomlin taking over. We in Buc-land hear the same thing about Gruden, he won with Dungy's team. Dungy's team couldn't score a fuk'n point and their defense was great. Then Dungy goes to Indy and leaves a great offense alone and wins. If it gets done under your watch you get credit, same if it doesn't.

[jtoler]

Just to play devil's advocate: They won 1 super bowl with Tomlin, in his second year after he took over. The defense that year did not allow a single 300 yard game by an opposing offense (until the super bowl itself). I'm not saying 300 yards passing, I'm saying 300 total yards. That's insane. But the defense was built before he took over and coached by Dick Lebeau, who continued as defensive coordinator after Tomlin took over. One could argue that he inherited a super bowl as much as won one.

what about the 2010 team that went to the super bowl, just about completely new coaching staff and big ben suspended first 4 games.

[2daBank]

Bradshaw thinks that has a lot to do with Tomlin not just some

Maybe, but imo you are who you are, a coach or anyone else in life rarely changes that. Difference between him and BB in this regard is bellicheat would have cut or traded most those clowns a long time ago!!

[2daBank]

Point is they have had the talent to win one or two more Super Bowls during his tenure, his weaknesses become glaring at the worst time (post-season).

Look no further than last year when he rested all starters in Week 17 with first round bye following and he had them ill prepared vs, Jax falling behind 21-0 in blink of an eye. Then came that atrocity of an onside kick at end of game because they had not worked on onsides all week, not expecting to be trailing late.

Yes they are incredibly talented, yes he has made some horrific decisions in the playoffs and/or been outclassed by the best coach/qb ever several times. Do I think another coach would have gotten more out this group tho? I think that really hard to say, I think a lot of it falls on this “talent” they have, I don’t think some coaches would even tolerate half these assholes on their team let alone the whole collection of jerkoffs pit runs out there!!

There no question tomlin falls short in game planning and in game x’s And o’s but again how many terrible coaching hires we see every year? How can we say some other coach would have gotten more out these players?

Couldn’t we have just as easily seen another coach fail miserably at managing all these egomaniacs and this thing blowing up long ago as it has looked close to doing many a time??

That the thing here and why despite all his faults im not quick to jump on the blame Tomlin bandwagon. He has accomplished a lot in a division w a great ravens franchise and a bungals team you could argue many years was equally as talented.

[kingdom]

Bradshaw thinks that has a lot to do with Tomlin not just some

Bradshaw has had issue with Big Ben as well. pretty sure Cowher only won a single superbowl as well. Are there other teams out there crushing the pats i don't know about? Big Ben is no Tom Brady and plays great in spurts and is wildly unpredictable. he was absolutely horrid yesterday. Is there another coach in the afc that has made two SB other than tomlin and BB? Andy Reid hasn't won squadoosh in over 20 years and no one says a peep. As aaron rodgers can attest to, getting to the sb ain't easy. unless your tom brady.

[2daBank]

Bradshaw has had issue with Big Ben as well. pretty sure Cowher only won a single superbowl as well. Are there other teams out there crushing the pats i don't know about? Big Ben is no Tom Brady and plays great in spurts and is wildly unpredictable. he was absolutely horrid yesterday. Is there another coach in the afc that has made two SB other than tomlin and BB? Andy Reid hasn't won squadoosh in over 20 years and no one says a peep. As aaron rodgers can attest to, getting to the sb ain't easy. unless your tom brady.

Bingo., ppl fall in love w steelers individual talent but seem to forget how tough it is for everyone not named pats who don’t win with individual talent other than Brady being smart which big rapist clearly isn’t.

[deltgen]

won a super bowl as a head coach and assistant coach and runner up in another super bowl. everybody has an opinion, you wont find another coach with his resume negatively chimed about like him. only behind belichick(.680) in current coaches winning percentage, tomlin is at .658, 15th highest in history, 10 percentage pts higher than bradshaw's coach chuck noll. bradshaw is arguably the worst qb in the hall of fame and only there because of great receivers who were always stretching out making amazing catches and from being on great overall teams. completed 51.8% of passes over his career, meaning whenever he let it go half the time it wasnt gonna be completed, 212 tds and 210 int's.

I must strongly disagree with this. I've no idea of your age, jtoler, and so I'm wondering if you're of an age to have seen the NFL in those days. It was an entirely different game. I'm not one of the guys that says it was better, just different. The good QBs would go about 11/20, 190 yards and a couple TDs and we'd be talking about what a great game they had. Every team in the league looked to establish a run game first. The successful teams could throw a few vertical strikes a game, and Bradshaw was as good as anyone--the dude had a cannon arm. There are several QBs who were contemporaries of Bradshaw who one would also think were quite pedestrian if only the raw stats were looked at. Staubach was about the same as Bradshaw when it comes to TD/INT ratio. Dan Fouts had a QB rating of 80 which would make him a backup nowadays. But Bradshaw, Staubach, Fouts, Stabler, Griese, Tarkenton, et. al--those guys were absolutely fantastic QBs.

[2daBank]

I must strongly disagree with this. I've no idea of your age, jtoler, and so I'm wondering if you're of an age to have seen the NFL in those days. It was an entirely different game. I'm not one of the guys that says it was better, just different. The good QBs would go about 11/20, 190 yards and a couple TDs and we'd be talking about what a great game they had. Every team in the league looked to establish a run game first. The successful teams could throw a few vertical strikes a game, and Bradshaw was as good as anyone--the dude had a cannon arm. There are several QBs who were contemporaries of Bradshaw who one would also think were quite pedestrian if only the raw stats were looked at. Staubach was about the same as Bradshaw when it comes to TD/INT ratio. Dan Fouts had a QB rating of 80 which would make him a backup nowadays. But Bradshaw, Staubach, Fouts, Stabler, Griese, Tarkenton, et. al--those guys were absolutely fantastic QBs.

You gotta admit Bradshaw had some stacked ass teams tho!!

[maggiethebestdog]

It would be hard to justify getting rid of Tomlin, but...

He is a classless jerk who comes off as a thug wannabe
He tried to trip an opposing player returning a kickoff for a TD in a playoff game and lied about it

More importantly, he is a terrible game manager

Remember the last AFC champ game at NE and last year's playoff game at home against Jacksonville??
You could not have a team less prepared for any games than he did for those games and those are just the latest two

I hate his guts and think he really isn't that good of a coach, but I would never suggest that he be fired

I believe that the criticisms have some validity, though

[2daBank]

That a excellent way to put it mags and agree.

[thetrinity]

doesnt like ben either, they infringe on his territory

[Kermit]

doesnt like ben either, they infringe on his territory

Yeah, he has been pretty open about that.