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  • A4K
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    • 10-08-12
    • 5243

    #1
    Senator Orrin Hatch
    From what I'm reading it looks as though Hatch is going to try and make sports betting difficult for the states to implement. Whispers are already popping up that his new bill will block ANY use of mobile devices or computers to place wagers.
  • DrunkHorseplayer
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    • 05-15-10
    • 7719

    #2
    It'll be tough to do; the SCOTUS just gave the states a huge degree of autonomy to control sports betting. That will most surely extend to mobile wagering.
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    • A4K
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      • 10-08-12
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      #3
      Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
      It'll be tough to do; the SCOTUS just gave the states a huge degree of autonomy to control sports betting. That will most surely extend to mobile wagering.
      The federal government has 2 options in essence. 1. Ban ALL states from sports wagering (won't happen because of Nevada) or 2. Make it extremely difficult for states to implement and run sports books.

      Hatch could easily introduce a bill that prohibits all SPORTS betting wagers unless you place the wager in person.

      FYI...even though it is legal now to have U.S. sports books it is still illegal for banks to knowingly pass your transactions through to off shore accounts for the purpose of betting. That law was not struck down.
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      • Sam Odom
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #4
        Tax Money <--- say that 10x

        Hatch's attempt is futile
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        • A4K
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          • 10-08-12
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          #5
          Originally posted by Sam Odom
          Tax Money <--- say that 10x

          Hatch's attempt is futile
          I hope you are right, friend.
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          • Hman
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-04-17
            • 21429

            #6
            Orrin Hatch is being a little b!tch because he was one of PASPA's founders.
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            • capitalist pig
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              • 01-25-07
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              #7
              Hatch waited to late he never thought it would fly thru the SC. It’s going to be impossible to take it away from states who will already have in place before Congress even gets around to discussing it

              later
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              • Philmill
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                • 09-30-11
                • 4275

                #8
                Originally posted by Hman
                Orrin Hatch is being a little b!tch because he was one of PASPA's founders.
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                • b1slickguy
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 11-24-11
                  • 11959

                  #9
                  Hatch is an 80-some year old mormon from Utah that is out of touch with reality and today's world.
                  Who names their son "Orrin" anyways?
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                  • Sam Odom
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 10-30-05
                    • 58063

                    #10
                    the Bill will not get out of committee -- if he even submits one
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                    • Philmill
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                      • 09-30-11
                      • 4275

                      #11
                      Originally posted by b1slickguy
                      Hatch is an 80-some year old mormon from Utah that is out of touch with reality and today's world.
                      Who names their son "Orrin" anyways?
                      piece of shit needs to go set down somewhere....I hate Hatch...
                      Hatch has the Fed drug/gun laws out of hand aswell.... he needs to go...
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                      • BriGuy
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                        • 12-06-11
                        • 1556

                        #12
                        Orrin Hatch is retiring in 7 months. It is too late at this point to get anything like this up and running.

                        There are so many states that want sports gambling that all their reps and senators can just stall and stall and make these bills never go anywhere.
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                        • A4K
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                          • 10-08-12
                          • 5243

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BriGuy
                          Orrin Hatch is retiring in 7 months. It is too late at this point to get anything like this up and running.

                          There are so many states that want sports gambling that all their reps and senators can just stall and stall and make these bills never go anywhere.
                          That is the most likely scenario. Still would not be surprised if they tried to ban college sports from being wagered on.
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                          • jjgold
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                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Courts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            I will be playing offshore
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                            • A4K
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                              • 10-08-12
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jjgold
                              Courts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              I will be playing offshore
                              with SBRShari?
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                              • KVB
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 05-29-14
                                • 74817

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                Tax Money <--- say that 10x

                                Hatch's attempt is futile
                                Any state that doesn't want gambling can still make it legal and will just tax the proceeds at a ridiculous percent and charge an application fee in the 10's of millions.

                                Books can't operated with a 40% tax rate without charging prohibitive vig.

                                Unless the state is very friendly, I think the business model of a book will fail in the public domain.
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                                • cincinnatikid513
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 11-23-17
                                  • 45360

                                  #17
                                  this guy 82 years old and retiring , too many old farts in congress need to be checked yearly for dementia
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by KVB
                                    Any state that doesn't want gambling can still make it legal and will just tax the proceeds at a ridiculous percent and charge an application fee in the 10's of millions.

                                    Books can't operated with a 40% tax rate without charging prohibitive vig.

                                    Unless the state is very friendly, I think the business model of a book will fail in the public domain.
                                    Disaster waiting to happen

                                    get use to -130 juice
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                                    • KVB
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 05-29-14
                                      • 74817

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                      Disaster waiting to happen

                                      get use to -130 juice
                                      At that rate some of the biggest sportsbook dollars will leave the sports markets for better investment opportunity.

                                      I suppose if Vegas and Pinny and BM stay cheaper, maybe there's a place for those dollars still.
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                                      • BriGuy
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                                        • 12-06-11
                                        • 1556

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by capitalist pig
                                        Hatch waited to late he never thought it would fly thru the SC. It’s going to be impossible to take it away from states who will already have in place before Congress even gets around to discussing it
                                        This. This this this. This.

                                        It is easy to forbid something from being implemented. It is far, far more difficult to take something away. Even PASPA was smart enough to be written in a manner whereby it didn't take anything away from the states which already allowed sports gambling.
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                                        • MinnesotaFats
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-18-10
                                          • 14758

                                          #21
                                          Well Congress is sure to create uniform rules of some type that streamlines oversight and protects college sports...

                                          That said, beyond banning mobile, wire or telephone betting I'm not sure what- absent a ban- they can do

                                          With 30 plus states set to implement, every citizen is likely to have a betting option within a 3 hour drive now
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                                          • cincinnatikid513
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 11-23-17
                                            • 45360

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                            Well Congress is sure to create uniform rules of some type that streamlines oversight and protects college sports...

                                            That said, beyond banning mobile, wire or telephone betting I'm not sure what- absent a ban- they can do

                                            With 30 plus states set to implement, every citizen is likely to have a betting option within a 3 hour drive now
                                            live in tampa bay area if mississippi gets it looking at 600 miles away 8 hours by car closest place
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                                            • Snowball
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 11-15-09
                                              • 30058

                                              #23
                                              limits on individual bettors - so they can't be couriers aka "runners"
                                              no mobile betting, no internet - IN HOUSE at CASINO in CASH ONLY.
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                                              • gregm
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                                                • 03-14-11
                                                • 3535

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                                live in tampa bay area if mississippi gets it looking at 600 miles away 8 hours by car closest place
                                                yeah I dont get the excitement for most people. We wont have gambling any time soon in florida.

                                                It has to be approved by the state Legislature which doesnt meet until next year, a constitutional amendment, and deal with the Seminole Tribe

                                                Supreme Court ruling doesn't mean sports betting will come to Florida quickly — or at all

                                                The U.S Supreme Court ruling Monday that struck down a federal law banning sports gambling in most states opened the door for lawmakers in Florida and other states to legalize sports betting. While&#8230;


                                                Driving to biloxi to lay terrible numbers and juice and taxes on sports wagers? I just want pinnacle and good books back in the market and good poker sites
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                                                • Jayvegas420
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                                                  • 03-09-11
                                                  • 28213

                                                  #25
                                                  Fukkin Americans.
                                                  Always last to the table.
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                                                  • Booya711
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 12-20-11
                                                    • 27329

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                                                    Fukkin Americans.
                                                    Always last to the table.
                                                    I cant argue with this....ALL our politicians should be sent to N. Korea the corrupt fukks.
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                                                    • cincinnatikid513
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 11-23-17
                                                      • 45360

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by gregm
                                                      yeah I dont get the excitement for most people. We wont have gambling any time soon in florida.

                                                      It has to be approved by the state Legislature which doesnt meet until next year, a constitutional amendment, and deal with the Seminole Tribe

                                                      Supreme Court ruling doesn't mean sports betting will come to Florida quickly — or at all

                                                      The U.S Supreme Court ruling Monday that struck down a federal law banning sports gambling in most states opened the door for lawmakers in Florida and other states to legalize sports betting. While&#8230;


                                                      Driving to biloxi to lay terrible numbers and juice and taxes on sports wagers? I just want pinnacle and good books back in the market and good poker sites
                                                      id be happy w that too bet365 would be nice
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                                                      • ByeShea
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                                                        • 06-30-08
                                                        • 8112

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by A4K
                                                        2. Make it extremely difficult for states to implement and run sports books.
                                                        When the court votes 7-2 the genie is out of the bottle and not going back.
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                                                        • A4K
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                                                          • 10-08-12
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by ByeShea
                                                          When the court votes 7-2 the genie is out of the bottle and not going back.
                                                          I hope you are right but wasn't it a 6 to 3 decision? fixed
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                                                          • Grits n' Gravy
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                                                            • 06-10-10
                                                            • 13024

                                                            #30
                                                            He’s an old white guy from Utah. I’d expect nothing less from his kind.
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #31
                                                              Offshore laughing at all the chaos

                                                              Vegas laughing too
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                                                              • floridagolfer
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                                                                • 12-19-08
                                                                • 2757

                                                                #32
                                                                This is why we all should be concerned. You let people get involved who have no freakin' idea what they're doing and we're all left to deal with the mess.
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                                                                • thechaoz
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                                                                  • 10-23-09
                                                                  • 12154

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Standard GOP "limited government"


                                                                  Ummmm... No. That's not how that works. Stay out of my business.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Hatch could ruin it all
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                                                                    • MinnesotaFats
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                                                                      • 12-18-10
                                                                      • 14758

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                                                      live in tampa bay area if mississippi gets it looking at 600 miles away 8 hours by car closest place
                                                                      I'm just south of you

                                                                      I'm thinking of just moving Costa Rica
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