I Need some serious help/advice

[Jas]

Look at it like a business

Set aside $20k...that's your investment

Bet $50-$100 per game, stop when up $200 any given day

Don't be afraid to go for a home run now and then...if you've dropped 5 in a row at $100 per take a shot on a 2:1 favorite for $1k

If you lose the $20k find another job, gambling not for you

That would be a nice bankroll. I've never taken this approach but I read about it often. I can do $200 a day betting $100, but stopping yourself when you see a good game or you are on a roll is killer for me. I get greedy with parlays because I know putting 2 winners together will get me there faster than betting 1 by 1. I'm too confident in parlay betting and the slow grind of 1 to 1 to 1 betting is where I'm weak and stupid.

How did you build up your discipline to say "nope, that is it for today"

[Derailer]

That would be a nice bankroll. I've never taken this approach but I read about it often. I can do $200 a day betting $100, but stopping yourself when you see a good game or you are on a roll is killer for me. I get greedy with parlays because I know putting 2 winners together will get me there faster than betting 1 by 1. I'm too confident in parlay betting and the slow grind of 1 to 1 to 1 betting is where I'm weak and stupid.

How did you build up your discipline to say "nope, that is it for today"

Discipline is not something you build up. It is something you either have or you don't.

Gambling is mostly boredom and misery with some excitement mixed in along the way.

The pain of losing has to be greater than the joy of winning. If it does not hurt when you lose bad enough to stop making bets you know you should not make, you cannot win at gambling.

[Jas]

If gambling is the only thing that makes you happy, it's because you're addicted to gambling. Whenever you get lost in a gambling circle it feels like nothing will ever be enjoyable again other than sitting in front of your tv or computer and gambling on events. However, you have to make it 2-3 days without betting. If you make it through those first few days, you start to see your enjoyment in other things come back. You don't need to become a professional gambler, you need to stop gambling.

I've thought about this.

I like gambling and my girl, and that's about it on my list of true happiness.

Don't get me wrong, I like travelling or going out and having fun, but I could do without all of that.

It has gotten to the point that if you gave me $200 and told me that I could spend it on a parlay or a big breasted IG model for a night of bjs and love you long time.... I'd take the parlay. I'm not sure how healthy that is. But I do care about my girl so it isn't only gambling or bust.

[A4K]

My friend is a true professional out of Vegas and even when things are running good he is almost always stressed out and he has plenty of money. I never knock a man's dreams but you should really think things through before committing.

[Jas]

Discipline is not something you build up. It is something you either have or you don't.

Gambling is mostly boredom and misery with some excitement mixed in along the way.

The pain of losing has to be greater than the joy of winning. If it does not hurt when you lose bad enough to stop making bets you know you should not make, you cannot win at gambling.

Sometimes I will beat myself up verbally for days about dumping money and not taking it out soon enough on bets I know I should not have made out of boredom.

It hurts for days. When I find myself in the same position again, I tell myself about the pain and I remind myself what is gonna happen if I blow this, but still I talk myself into a bad bet and relive that pain again. I want to learn how to be smarter and make it about protecting my gains and not about chasing being correct or feeling like I can't get one wrong or I can't lose.

[cincinnatikid513]

find successful gamblers and pick their brains, there's a reason people pay millions of dollars to have lunch with warren buffett

[opie1988]

Jas...quit being a pussy and go Pro for fukks sakes.

You think anyone takes a motherfukker serious as a professional gambler when they can't even pony up a hundo to go Pro on SBR???

That's your first fukkin step to beating this game pal. You're welcome.

[lonegambler23]

yeah like why would your gfs family know about your gambling? their probably already against you. no one likes gamblers. you should remain on you own island with this one

[Derailer]

Sometimes I will beat myself up verbally for days about dumping money and not taking it out soon enough on bets I know I should not have made out of boredom.

It hurts for days. When I find myself in the same position again, I tell myself about the pain and I remind myself what is gonna happen if I blow this, but still I talk myself into a bad bet and relive that pain again. I want to learn how to be smarter and make it about protecting my gains and not about chasing being correct or feeling like I can't get one wrong or I can't lose.

You seem to have some qualities that could make you a successful gambler. You pretty much have to be a stone cold serial killer to win at gambling. That is why few people can do it.

You have to be in it mostly for the challenge. If you are not gambling just because you like gambling, you will not be successful.

If you like to gamble, you should not have any problem getting rid of the bad bets because you only make bets you think have a good chance of winning. You don't bet anything else under any circumstance.

[hawkeye 16]

Sometimes I will beat myself up verbally for days about dumping money and not taking it out soon enough on bets I know I should not have made out of boredom.

It hurts for days. When I find myself in the same position again, I tell myself about the pain and I remind myself what is gonna happen if I blow this, but still I talk myself into a bad bet and relive that pain again. I want to learn how to be smarter and make it about protecting my gains and not about chasing being correct or feeling like I can't get one wrong or I can't lose.

I don't want to kill your dreams or anything, but I think you're headed down the wrong path. Take it from a guy that's been there. I could be wrong, but just be careful. Keeping it as a "side business" and discipline are both great advice.

[lonegambler23]

also if you want to become a professional you need to have some serious cash. cant be a pro with only 50k to your name

[Jas]

Do what I do
Just come here and vent when you lose that's what I do

Sometimes you are going to go cold
Right now I'm cold as hell but I'll get through it

Also most of the posters on SBR are full of s***

Truth is I'm in the same boat and I'll tell you what I'll do

But first , it sounds like you like to Let It Ride
second ,it sounds like you like to do a lot of parlays
Third,, you might be betting too much and too much money

Your next step is you just need to hit a spot play and slow your wagering volume

Patience
That's it

Anybody who says they make money long-term is full of s*** or they're full of misery
take your pick

All those 3 things you said are correct.

I was a better player when I used to be low volumes like $20 parlays for small returns. When I learned I can make $500 if I risk $200 on a 2 team parlay, I started laying (and winning) higher numbers. I came down to $100 a parlay to win $200, but I still feel like it is not enough.

I dream about putting down 1k or 2k and making a run to 10k or 20k over a weekend, the same way I do with $100 or 200, but I can't take the loses as easily as I can $20 or $100

[Jas]

It takes alot of losing to become a winner in sports gambling - so consider this practice.

Here are some tips.

1. Stop betting parlays period. You need to think of everything in terms of +EV and -EV, if you are making +EV plays you will have a positive ROI and no matter how much you bet per game - if you are betting a straight amount on every game - and are betting +EV bets - you will make money - it may be a fraction of a % per day - but that's what the pros do. "Going for the big score" is not what professional gamblers do - that is recreational thinking and you will lose more than you win. 95% of gamblers go bust. 2.5% have a consistent bankroll but rarely ever profit more then a few dollars a year - then the final 2.5% are the ones that actually make money - but again, it takes alot of losing before you can win anything.

You have to think of every bet you make - as, "if i bet this bet 100 times, is there a chance that i can win atleast 55 of those 100 bets." - meaning, if you bet a parlay - would you bet those single games on their own - or is there no value in betting them as single bets - if the answer to that question is no - 'X' out your parlay box and start looking for value.

2. YOU CAN NOT PREDICT GAMES. - No one can predict the outcome of an event - don't kid yourself and pretend like you can - because you can't - and that mentality is going to make you a broke gambler. The best way to be on the winning side of a sports bet is by simply finding value in a play. If there's a big favorite on the board and they are laying -8 when it should be -6.5, you take the dog. If there's an overated team that is getting alot of money - take the dog. Take the dog. Take the dog. Take the dog. You will not win consistently by betting favorites - you will not win consistently by trying to predict games. You have to find value on the board - otherwise you are fooling yourself and giving away your money.
3. NEVER LAY ANYMORE THAN -135, - this took me literally 10 years to learn and about 5k+ in losing for me to finally come to terms with this. There is no reason you should ever lay more than -135 on any game. That includes upping your stake on a -200, that includes parlaying 2 -200's into a +100, all of those things. Never lay -135 on any game period. You have to have your bets being in the majority of the + money category for you to even have a chance at profit.

4. Never bet more than 2.5% of your bankroll on one wager - ever. This is another thing that took me alot of losing to learn and actually follow. There is no point in betting more than 2.5% per bet - even that is almost too high in my opinion. 2.5% = 40 bets for your entire bankroll. If you are betting 5-10 games a day and can consistently hit at 52-55%, betting at 2.5% per unit - you WILL MAKE MONEY. But you need to be discipline - don't up your bet size on a game - no matter how good you feel about it. You will lose more than you win. So be smart about it and keep your bet size small and steady and as long as you have value on your side - you have a higher chance of coming out of it with money in your pocket than not - it just takes time.

5. Bank roll management. This took me years and years to figure out but this is what got me into the small percentage of people who actually put money in their pocket from sports betting:

$1000 bankroll, $25/bet, bet nothing higher than -135, some days you'll be +$200, some days you'll be -$200, DO NOT up your bet size after big winning day, DO NOT lower your bet size after a losing day - keep it the same no matter what. At the end of every week - take out whatever is in your account after $1000, some weeks you might be below $1000, that's fine - some weeks you'll be above $1000, take that money out - you are now earning a legit WAGE from gambling. It's as simple as that. It takes alot of time and ALOT of patience to be able to stay within those parameters. But if you lose your money, your girl, your friends and your self respect enough times you will learn that this game isn't for everyone - if you can't hack it - get another hobby.

Remember this. - "Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment."
Jim Rohn: American entrepreneur.

GL.

This is what I'm hoping for. Thanks for this gem. I'm trying to learn from people's mistakes and winning experiences. Going to end up reading this 10 times today alone. Thanks

I got some questions

[Jas]

Parlays are an exotic bet with a steep house advantage.

Think about it like this, trying to win long-term at sports betting is like trying to beat the fastest man in the world at the 100m dash and giving him a 10m head start.

The whole thing is designed to make you feel like you can easily win, but in reality separates you from your money very quickly.

Also the best advice I can give any Gambler is never let any woman in your life know anything about your gambling. It's simply a lose-lose. When you winshall already have the money spent on new sofas and s*** like that, when you lose you'll be the dumbest idiot in the world for losing money gambling. It's a lose-lose never let the women know.

Wish you told me this sooner. She says she will never support my dream to be a great handicapper, she thinks gambling is bad. She loves and puts up with me, but she is afraid of being stuck with the dumbest idiot if I'm not winning. She also thinks I should take money out after every win, no matter how big or small.

If I win $200 or $20 or $2000, her first response to me is take it out. If I don't withdraw then I never hear the end of it about how it is a bad idea, especially if I start losing the winnings

[Snowball]

This is what I'm hoping for. Thanks for this gem. I'm trying to learn from people's mistakes and winning experiences. Going to end up reading this 10 times today alone. Thanks

Just know, there are pros and semi-pros who would disagree with every single one
of his five points.

[darrell74]

All those 3 things you said are correct.

I was a better player when I used to be low volumes like $20 parlays for small returns. When I learned I can make $500 if I risk $200 on a 2 team parlay, I started laying (and winning) higher numbers. I came down to $100 a parlay to win $200, but I still feel like it is not enough.

I dream about putting down 1k or 2k and making a run to 10k or 20k over a weekend, the same way I do with $100 or 200, but I can't take the loses as easily as I can $20 or $100

Cool
I think I get you.
Let me ask you this
I don't need to know the sport or the teams but what was the last bet you made?

[cincinnatikid513]

if your a good pitch man

tell everybody your the best handicapper in the world

find idiots who will pay for your picks

winning

[JIBBBY]

Don't Gamble Save Your money or invest it

This..

Takes years to master this craft and if you don't have discipline you'll never master it..

Starting out - If you have a job and income make a budget for gambling, set an amount to be deposited every month AND DON'T EVER EXCEED IT. Such as maybe $200 a month depending on how much you make.. If you lose that $200 quickly and early on in the month suck it up and wait til next month and don't gamble.. That keeps you out trouble in the beginning and teaches you discipline..

Parlays not smart, constant ML's plays can and will empty your bank roll in time, bet consistent amounts and don't load up but maybe once in a blue moon.. Protect bank roll always.. The goal should be not to make monthly deposits to sportsbooks in the beginning..

Be a grinder and not a hot shot.. Don't feel compelled to chase your loses, you will have losing days...

[infamousbacardi]

I've thought about this.

I like gambling and my girl, and that's about it on my list of true happiness.

Don't get me wrong, I like travelling or going out and having fun, but I could do without all of that.

It has gotten to the point that if you gave me $200 and told me that I could spend it on a parlay or a big breasted IG model for a night of bjs and love you long time.... I'd take the parlay. I'm not sure how healthy that is. But I do care about my girl so it isn't only gambling or bust.

Simple here Jas, if you like gambling and your girl, you won't be keeping your girl if you continue to gamble. Straight up.

[Derailer]

Wish you told me this sooner. She says she will never support my dream to be a great handicapper, she thinks gambling is bad. She loves and puts up with me, but she is afraid of being stuck with the dumbest idiot if I'm not winning. She also thinks I should take money out after every win, no matter how big or small.

If I win $200 or $20 or $2000, her first response to me is take it out. If I don't withdraw then I never hear the end of it about how it is a bad idea, especially if I start losing the winnings

She should drop you like a hot potato. If you are anything close to a successful gambler, you will not be worth living with. The number of successful gamblers with successful romantic relationships is pretty close to zero.

[lonegambler23]

She should drop you like a hot potato. If you are anything close to a successful gambler, you will not be worth living with. The number of successful gamblers with successful romantic relationships is pretty close to zero.

i agree lol. he cares about his bets more than her. your life is gona be a carasouel

[Swinging Johnson]

Quit being so fukkin dramatic, and accept the fact that nobody wins long term, pal.

You’re welcome.

Also...need some nudes of your girl. Thanks

Im fukkin' dyin'!!

[aljack]

Just know, there are pros and semi-pros who would disagree with every single one
of his five points.

I am semi-pro though. I am simply explaining to him how I did it.

[aljack]

Jas. I dm'd you on the forum messenger.

[Jas]

Cool
I think I get you.
Let me ask you this
I don't need to know the sport or the teams but what was the last bet you made?

I gotta give teams to make it make sense.

Last night I made a 3 team parlay for $50.

I have lost so much and seen so many different kind of wins that I feel confident in my odds reading. I saw toluca Vs monrcas last night in mexico league 1 and saw the odds at +115 for over which is a big tell not to play it usually, but the stats for toluca also say they defend better than attack. However I know monarcas and trust them to fail and let goals in, I also know their striker rudiaz comes up during big games, so I know it would be BTS for sure, but felt like it being the first leg of the playoff, that someone would go ahead. It ended 2-2. And I played 2 tennis bets with it (soccer and hockey over and under are my talent, nothing else) and I hit the tennis bet for -145 but lost the other tennis bet for -350. So the whole parlay blew up.

I played another parlay in the morning for a Aussie lower division -105 over 3 goals and hit that (my goal is to feast on bad lines especially in lower league games) but lost it by parlaying it with another tennis bet, when I'm shyte at tennis.

Even right now there is a French league 2
game that I'm positive will go over 2 and half goals, but I don't know if I should parlay it or bet it single or keep my money and leave it alone.

[Derailer]

I gotta give teams to make it make sense.

Last night I made a 3 team parlay for $50.

I have lost so much and seen so many different kind of wins that I feel confident in my odds reading. I saw toluca Vs monrcas last night in mexico league 1 and saw the odds at +115 for over which is a big tell not to play it usually, but the stats for toluca also say they defend better than attack. However I know monarcas and trust them to fail and let goals in, I also know their striker rudiaz comes up during big games, so I know it would be BTS for sure, but felt like it being the first leg of the playoff, that someone would go ahead. It ended 2-2. And I played 2 tennis bets with it (soccer and hockey over and under are my talent, nothing else) and I hit the tennis bet for -145 but lost the other tennis bet for -350. So the whole parlay blew up.

I played another parlay in the morning for a Aussie lower division -105 over 3 goals and hit that (my goal is to feast on bad lines especially in lower league games) but lost it by parlaying it with another tennis bet, when I'm shyte at tennis.

Even right now there is a French league 2
game that I'm positive will go over 2 and half goals, but I don't know if I should parlay it or bet it single or keep my money and leave it alone.

You should only bet parlays if you are getting good parlay odds. If you don't know what good parlay odds are, you should not be betting any parlays.

[Jas]

also if you want to become a professional you need to have some serious cash. cant be a pro with only 50k to your name

How much did you start with. How did you start and why?

[Jas]

You should only bet parlays if you are getting good parlay odds. If you don't know what good parlay odds are, you should not be betting any parlays.

525 Reims (FRA-2)
2:45PM 526 Valenciennes (FRA-2)

Over 3 goals.

1.97 odds.

You want over 2.5 Goals but stuck with 3.

Do you play this straight up or parlay it?

At worst, it will hit 3 in your research and opinion

[A4K]

if your a good pitch man

tell everybody your the best handicapper in the world

find idiots who will pay for your picks

winning

This guy defines white trash. He needs to snort less Cocaine, I think.

[darrell74]

Put 22 bucks to win 20 on the over 2 1/2 on that French soccer game
I know it's only 20 bucks but you need a win

Slow down
Don't force bets
Stop being an action junkie
If you need action, bet betpoints

I know 20 bucks feels like a waste of time but you got to win first
what I do next is study hard for a 2 teamer, 40 wins 100ish
100 bucks is worth it
You can figure the rest out after that

Don't talk about your Bets with people
patience

[Jas]

Jas...quit being a pussy and go Pro for fukks sakes.

You think anyone takes a motherfukker serious as a professional gambler when they can't even pony up a hundo to go Pro on SBR???

That's your first fukkin step to beating this game pal. You're welcome.

What does it do?

[Derailer]

525 Reims (FRA-2)
2:45PM 526 Valenciennes (FRA-2)

Over 3 goals.

1.97 odds.

You want over 2.5 Goals but stuck with 3.

Do you play this straight up or parlay it?

At worst, it will hit 3 in your research and opinion

Again, you should not bet a parlay unless you have good parlay odds. That is book dependent but you are highly unlikely to get good parlay odds.

[Jas]

Just know, there are pros and semi-pros who would disagree with every single one
of his five points.

What are your pointers also please?

I'm trying to learn from people who been through it and want different points of views

[Jayvegas420]

Dont do anything that you read in here

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/2184702-vegas.html

...and you'll be fine.

[Jas]

Put 22 bucks to win 20 on the over 2 1/2 on that French soccer game
I know it's only 20 bucks but you need a win

Slow down
Don't force bets
Stop being an action junkie
If you need action, bet betpoints

I know 20 bucks feels like a waste of time but you got to win first
what I do next is study hard for a 2 teamer, 40 wins 100ish
100 bucks is worth it
You can figure the rest out after that

Don't talk about your Bets with people
patience

I've been using that method to pay for my 2 teamers. Bet 100 for -200 odds, then $150 on a 2 teamer. The whole thing becomes a 3 team parlay when you look at it.

Feels like I'm wasting the first win. But I see you have my point of view that you are supplementing your original bet with an early win, and not paying full price for the parlay.

But you know the more games, the harder. 3 selections always gonna be harder than 2, but the pressure is different I guess. Don't know, when I was a low volume better, I used to crush big parlays, now I am careful about what I play