Is anyone else sickened by this? This piece of shit ruined thousands of lives and lived like a King and there is a chance he could only do 12 years??? I know guys that got caught with a couple zips of blow and got more than that. Unreal!
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welcome to our glorious legal system....its a beautiful things isnt it??
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if he's released in 12 years...you must believe that one of the people that he ripped off WILL kill him!!!!Comment -
I think 12 years is a fair sentence for Madoff's lawyer. As for Madoff, pipe sunlight to him until he dies.Comment -
the guy won't live that long anywayComment -
He will be killed in prison like a rag doll.Comment -
they dont kill people at white collar prisons pavyComment -
Well what do you want his lawyer to do, ask for a life sentence?
We live in a country where everyone, including the absolute scum of the planet, is entitled to a defense.
Sure, get upset if that's what he ends up getting; he deserves life. But again, what do you expect the lawyer to do?Comment -
yeah that's a good point dave......that's what he asked for could end up being worse. Madoff should tell the judge that if he gives him a lower sentence he will point him towards some good investments HAHAHAComment -
I could never go in front of the Judge with a straight face and say "Your honor, I feel Mr. Madoff deserves 12 years, that is fair..."
That is just ridiculous, the guy single handedly RUINED, DEVASTATED, WIPED OUT peoples lives. I think at least 3 people have committed suicide in the last year that invested with him. But because it is considered white collar crime he is treated differently? I hate our legal system...Comment -
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Again, you should wait until the 12 year sentence is GRANTED before you chalk this up as another reason to hate our legal system.Originally posted by themajormt
A serial murderer that is blatantly guilty is going to get the chair, the judge, jury, and lawyer knows it. But he's entitled to a fair trial. His lawyer shouldn't ask for the chair, his lawyer should fight for him.
If Madoff only gets 12 years, I'll be right there with you, furious about how corrupt the system can be. But if you want to tear up the 6th amendment, we might as well tear up the rest of the bill of rights while we're at it.Comment -
you guys think china is uncivilized, but they are pragmatic
this guy would be hung , without even one moments doubt
you can now all get on your politically correct horse, but too bad, they dont want to have a decadent countryComment -
he would also be hung in a public square to remind all those of the results of actions like thisComment -
I am surprised no one has tried to kill him yet...
Dave, I agree with what you're saying and I know the lawyer is just doing his job, but its just terrible hearing that their is even a CHANCE of that kind of sentence...Comment -
Free Madoff!
(if Stallworth gets 30 days, 12 years [or less] is more than appropo for Mr. Madoff)Comment -
The dude Stallworth hit was intoxicated at the time and was NOT in a cross walk. It was an accident and people make mistakes. Bernie did not make a mistake, he knowingly and willingly ripped off people for years! He singlehandedly ruined peoples lives for years and continued to do it.
If Stallworth hits someone again while drinking then he should go away, but people make mistakes...Comment -
I just can't see any judge or jury sympathizing with this guy, none. The lawyer said "12 years, for a 71-year-old that's effectively a life sentence"... judge will likely say "well, let's EFFECTIVELY make it life".Originally posted by themajormtComment -
Funny how you guys are outraged by this when GW Bush destroyed more lives than Madoff by far. Instead that piece of fuk gets to live like a king when he should be rotting in a cell at the Hague.Comment -
Emily.....I think Bush was a horrible president. But I dont think for a second that he was intentially trying to do wrong. I think in all honesty he was doing what he felt was best for the country. You can't blame him for that.
We can blame ourselves for re-electing him to a second term howeverComment -
I concur DD...
What would the world be like today if Gore wasnt raped back in 2000???
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Can't say....I'd assume it would be better, but it could be worse you never know.Originally posted by themajormtI concur DD...
What would the world be like today if Gore wasnt raped back in 2000???
One thing is for sure though things would be very very differentComment -
If we would get off our asses and force the presidential eleciton to be done by popular vote instead of the electoral college then we wouldnt have to wonder.
One of the main reasons the electoral college was started is because in the times of the first elections our founding fathers were worried that it would be too hard to all the citizens to know about all the candidates since mass media didnt exist and communicating throughout the country was much harder.
WELL NEWS FLASH!!!!!! that's not an issue anymore so get rid of the ****ing electoral college and lets have our votes actually count. Not to mention that voter turnout will deffinately be higher. I live in Illinois and I vote in the presidential elections, however I couldnt blame someone for not voting if they were going to vote democratic because the state is going to go democratic it doesnt matter. But if it were popular vote each and every vote would countComment -
I did my Senior Thesis on the electoral college and how fundamentally flawed it is in our current time. It was meant as a check on the uneducated, and is completely unnecessary at this point.Comment -
I hate the Gore was cheated because of the electoral college argument. It is ridiculous.
How many potential Bush voters were there in places like California and New York that just flat out didn't bother to go vote because they knew their votes would mean absolutely nothing?
Similarly, how many potential Gore voters in states like Texas and the rest of middle America didn't bother because THEY knew their votes wouldn't mean anything?
Until the country actually switches to popular vote, you can't talk about popular vote as if it means something. The whole election would have been completely different; maybe in favor of Gore, maybe in favor of Bush. But it is irrelevant in its current form.Comment -
a) anytime someone gets behind the wheel of an automobile while drunk, it is not an accident. At all. They purposely did something they knew to be very dangerous and reckless.Originally posted by themajormt
b) GWB intentionally lied to this Country re: the reasons behind going to war with Iraq. All bold faced lies backed by little to no intelligence. He knew Americans and Iraquis were going to die because of his lies. Both continue to die to this day...very sad, indeed.Originally posted by Dbldown11
c) I concur. The electoral college is a complete and utter joke. As is most of our government...Comment -
Dave I never said that's why Gore lost. Obviously everything would have been different.Originally posted by VegasDave
What I am saying is that the situation would never come up again if we just made it a popular vote. There is not a single reason why we need the electoral college. Is it to keep out socialist dictators that the people are fooled into electing?
If you ask a lot of people on the right they think that's the kind of person we just elected anyways hahaComment -
Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce
Very sad that you actually believe that
Someone just said it and it was a good soundbite and naive people have been using this lie for years now.
Educate yourself before you speak is my suggestion.
To dispel Bush clouds
COMMENTARY: In the coming months, years and decades, history will be the judge of what kind of leader former President Bush was, but those Americans interested in preserving his legacy must take an aggressive approach to dispel the many myths and lies that already exist.
Clearly, the most contested area of Mr. Bush's presidency will be his foreign policy, namely his decision to send troops to Iraq. For several years, numerous myths have existed about the war, and it is imperative that we correct any falsehoods for the historical record.
These myths have falsely portrayed Mr. Bush as an imperialist president who illegally invaded a foreign country to seize its oil and dominate its people. The truth however, is that Mr. Bush liberated a country from the cruelty and oppression of a sadistic dictator, returned the oil to the Iraqi people and acted in full compliance with both domestic and international law. In fact, Mr. Bush's decision to send troops back to Iraq not only complied with international law but fulfilled obligations set by the United Nations.
In October 2002, Congress authorized the president to use whatever military force was necessary to fulfill U.N. resolutions pertaining to Iraq and the Gulf war. This was because after the U.N. authorized a coalition of the willing to use military force against Iraq for its illegal invasion of Kuwait in 1990, the U.N. temporarily suspended the Gulf war in 1991 with a cease-fire agreement that imposed stipulations upon Saddam Hussein.
Saddam violated those cease-fire conditions by failing to give U.N. weapon inspectors unfettered access, which actually prompted military action from President Clinton in 1998 when he launched a massive bombing campaign against Iraq during Operation Desert Fox.
In 2002, the United Nations resolved that Saddam was in "material breach" of the cease-fire agreement and that Iraq faced "serious consequences." Because the cease-fire did not end but merely suspended the Gulf war, Saddam Hussein's continued violations of the agreement reactivated the war.
President Bush did not start a new war in 2003 that violated domestic or international law. He merely complied with Congress' 2002 vote by honoring resolutions passed by the United Nations that reactivated the original Gulf war.
The president's critics accuse his administration of falsifying intelligence about Saddam Hussein having the capability of building weapons of mass destruction. This stems from the claim that the president solely relied on intelligence that Saddam was trying to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger to build a nuclear weapons program. These reports later proved to be inaccurate.
The media failed to emphasize, however, that Saddam was already in possession of 550 tons of yellowcake uranium, which he was storing at the Tuwaitha nuclear complex south of Baghdad. That uranium was found and secured by coalition troops in 2003 after they liberated Iraq and was finally transported to Canada in July 2008.
The president's critics also blast him for allegedly implementing a new policy of Iraqi regime change when in fact that policy was established in the Iraq Liberation Act, signed by President Clinton in 1998. The Act made it the official policy of the United States to support the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. President Bush did not implement a new policy of regime change in Iraq. He was acting in the spirit of the policy already established by President Clinton.
The decision to send troops back to Iraq in 2003 was indeed liberation and not an invasion. Investigations by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the U.S. Department of State and the British government have all found evidence that the Iraqi people lived under a regime that systematically employed methods of torture and fear. Dissidents suffered from bizarre, cruel methods of torture including dismemberment, piercing, bone-crushing, cutting, acid baths and imprisonment inside coffin-size cells.
Women accused of prostitution were publicly beheaded without a trial and male soldiers were authorized to rape women to punish their family members for political resistance. Men were often forced to watch soldiers rape their wives, sisters and daughters as a method of punishment when the female victim was innocent.
The removal of Saddam Hussein from power was not an invasion, it was liberation.
One of the most widely spread conspiracy theories about President Bush and the war is the false allegation that he sent troops to Iraq to illegally steal its oil. There is no truth to this allegation. In fact, the new Oil Draft Law under consideration by the Iraqi government proposes using "production-sharing agreements," which is the same type of oil distribution system used in Iraq for decades.
Production-sharing agreements allow foreign governments or private corporations to drill for oil and keep a small percentage of profits for their work while giving the majority of profits earned to the host country. The new Oil Draft Law will continue to implement production-sharing agreements, but the Iraqi profits will now go to the new democratic government instead of Saddam. The United States is not stealing any oil from Iraq.
There are many more myths and lies the far left has successfully perpetuated about Mr. Bush and the liberation of Iraq, but this column is not the appropriate forum to dispel them. Because these lies have been so deeply ingrained in the consciousness of the American public, those wishing to restore the president's reputation must take a pro-active, aggressive approach that exports knowledge to the people.
Merely relying on a passive institute such as a presidential library and waiting for people to learn the truth on their own will not be sufficient in this unique case. Most people who visit the new George W. Bush presidential library will most likely already be sympathetic to him and there must be a more aggressive approach used to inform all Americans.
It is perhaps one of the greatest historical ironies and tragedies that a leader who cares so deeply about human rights and the freedom of oppressed people has been falsely portrayed as an imperialist invader. It is time for those working on the former president's legacy to adequately communicate his vision of worldwide liberation to the American people. The historical record must be corrected to accurately reflect President Bush's legacy and for the honor of our country.Comment -
cmon Dwight....I dont think that Bush intentionally decieved us...but we didnt go into Iraq because Bush cares about people freedomsComment -
Oh yeah, don't get me started on the electoral college either DD
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you, sir, have been whitewashed. for shame.Originally posted by DwightShruteVery sad that you actually believe that
Someone just said it and it was a good soundbite and naive people have been using this lie for years now.
Educate yourself before you speak is my suggestion.
the rest of your post is unquoted because it is a ****ing joke. I would tell you to learn to speak for yourself, rather than quoting someone else's thoughts, but it seems as though you are far beyond that as is.
the President told the 'Merikan public (and Congress) that we were going to war because: a) Iraq had WMD's and b) Iraq had ties to Al-Queda (among other lies).
those were the two main lies that got Congress to vote "yes" on the War.Comment -
I do speak for myself. I do also quote facts for you to see the other side of the argument. The 'He Lied' BS has gotten old, like 5 years ago. Is that your own thought also?
Hypocritical and Naive are the only 2 words I have to say.
I am not sayin that Bush was the greatest president, but come on man. This guy in power now is a disaster less than 6 months into his ONE and ONLY term.
God bless you.Comment -
Dwight, I will admit right off the bat that I am an Obama supporter... BUT, in interest of fairness I do not think you can categorize the first 6 months as a "disaster." The dude took over at one of the lowest points in our history and is trying to undo a lot of the political red tape Bush enacted which is the exact reason why we are where we are at... INACTIVITY and BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE! Obama is adding a lot of over sight which I am definitely not supportive of because I enjoy free markets but it is definitely unfair to categorize it as a disaster...Comment -
Originally posted by themajormt
History will tell I guess. To me he is robbing you from all that makes America great from right under your noses with all this talk about the recession mumbo jumbo. Recessions have happened in the passed and will happen in the future. We have always recovered because the free enterprise system corrects itself and eventually bounces.
Why can Ford survive but GM needs Obama as the CEO? why are they so special?
He is like a thief running out of your house with all your stuff, and you notice he drops something and you pick it up and hand it to him and wish him good luck and support what he is doing and let him get away. Once you replace all the stolen stuff, you call the thief, tell him that you will be out of town this weekend and the key is underneath the matt. You also make him cookies.
It amazes me that you can't see that his is stripping all the freedoms and values that makes America the greatest country.
Hope you guys wake up before its too late.
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He is stripping anyone freedoms or values please man.....You're talking crazy. His intent isnt to own these companies. However if we have to bail them out with OUR money should we have some say as to how much the CEO's are making and how often they fly on private jets. It's OUR money they shouldnt spend it how they want. If they wanted to continue with lavish bonuses and things they shouldnt have come to us begging for money. Like FDR said they same people and organizations that say that government should stay out of the private sector are the same ones that go begging the government for money when things get tought.Originally posted by DwightShruteHistory will tell I guess. To me he is robbing you from all that makes America great from right under your noses with all this talk about the recession mumbo jumbo. Recessions have happened in the passed and will happen in the future. We have always recovered because the free enterprise system corrects itself and eventually bounces.
Why can Ford survive but GM needs Obama as the CEO? why are they so special?
He is like a thief running out of your house with all your stuff, and you notice he drops something and you pick it up and hand it to him and wish him good luck and support what he is doing and let him get away. Once you replace all the stolen stuff, you call the thief, tell him that you will be out of town this weekend and the key is underneath the matt. You also make him cookies.
It amazes me that you can't see that his is stripping all the freedoms and values that makes America the greatest country.
Hope you guys wake up before its too late.
Secondly I'm not sure why you'd put robin hood as an example for how horrible this president as Robin Hood is considered a hero for anyone other thatn elitists....correct me if I'm wrong but was Robin Hood the villan or the good guy????
And finally in terms of we will always have these recessions and get out of them you're right......However the greatest depression we ever had we got out of because of FDR and his policies which actually are very similar to this presidents, so according to you we are on the right path with history right? (and please dont tell me you are one of the people that believes FDR prolonged the depression because then you'll lose all credibility.)Comment
