Starting to agree w/ others about Offshore Books

[MMANick]

It seems crazy that I can deposit via BTC & have my money available within 30-40 minutes. I can also deposit via -- and have my money available within an hour. The credit card deposits are obviously available right away.

I can request a payout via -- and get it denied because I reached my limits or I'll get the payout, but it's not available for 24-48 hours, sometimes longer. You can request a BTC payout and get hounded because you don't exclusively deposit via BTC, and it stays under review for 24-48 hours and you have to do a phone verification and answer an email before the funds will get released, and you always get less than what you requested.

It feels like they're delaying your payouts hoping that you'll lose and be forced to cancel it.

[funnyb25]

Bookmaker top notch. Always get paid out within the hour.

[TheMoneyShot]

It seems crazy that I can deposit via BTC & have my money available within 30-40 minutes. I can also deposit via -- and have my money available within an hour. The credit card deposits are obviously available right away.

I can request a payout via -- and get it denied because I reached my limits or I'll get the payout, but it's not available for 24-48 hours, sometimes longer. You can request a BTC payout and get hounded because you don't exclusively deposit via BTC, and it stays under review for 24-48 hours and you have to do a phone verification and answer an email before the funds will get released, and you always get less than what you requested.

It feels like they're delaying your payouts hoping that you'll lose and be forced to cancel it.

Top books with no Hassle

1. Heritage Sports - Never jerk you around
2. Bovada - Fast. No jerking around.
3. Bookmaker - Fast. But sometimes screw you on BTC rate.

Slight hassle - but reputable
4. 5Dimes - Not so fast. But you'll get it before you die.

All the other books... piss on em


Other books that operate in BTC only...

Fairlay - Super fast. No issues.
Nitrogen - Slightly longer delay than Fairlay... but within 4 hours.

[jjgold]

Stick with the ones with good reps

[MMANick]

Stick with the ones with good reps

The one that I use 99% of the time has a great rep.

[jjgold]

Nicky relax

Alternatives locals that stiff all the time of you win decent money

Nothing you can do either

[michael777]

Nicky relax

Alternatives locals that stiff all the time of you win decent money

Nothing you can do either

100% correct

[Housemoney]

I’ll stick with my local, Venmo’s me money by Wednesday

[mrpapageorgio]

Betonline has always paid me within 12 hours (notwithstanding the issues they had before March Madness with their site in general).

[El Nino]

Top books with no Hassle

1. Heritage Sports - Never jerk you around
2. Bovada - Fast. No jerking around.
3. Bookmaker - Fast. But sometimes screw you on BTC rate.

Slight hassle - but reputable
4. 5Dimes - Not so fast. But you'll get it before you die.

All the other books... piss on em


Other books that operate in BTC only...

Fairlay - Super fast. No issues.
Nitrogen - Slightly longer delay than Fairlay... but within 4 hours.

Heritage won't let you withdraw via btc if you have CC deposits in the past. Only bad thing I can say about them.

[funnyb25]

Heritage won't let you withdraw via btc if you have CC deposits in the past. Only bad thing I can say about them.

How do you withdrawal at Heritage if you have made CC deposits? Check? lol

[jjgold]

Locals have a high stiff rate

[El Nino]

How do you withdrawal at Heritage if you have made CC deposits? Check? lol

Yup. $3K check sent via FedEx. I laughed at the customer service rep when he told me that was my only option. I had previous deposits and withdrawals via bitcoin, but my last few deposits were via CC. So, he said they had the discretion to determine how I could cash out.

Sounded like a fukkin' ponzi scheme when he tried to explain keeping the same amount of liquidity in their btc cash pot vs. CC deposits that have cashed. I asked him, so...aren't their guys depositing with btc and losing? Therefore, it shouldn't matter. You should have more money in your btc pot than payouts. I don't use Heritage often.

[KVB]

How do you withdrawal at Heritage if you have made CC deposits? Check? lol

Heritage is actually very good about large checks. Always has been.

As far as no BTC, I think they make a judgement call. I'm going to guess it has to do with what method has been used most and most recently as well.

There's not a hard rule that I know of and we have several accounts moving money different ways.

[KVB]

Y...my last few deposits were via CC. So, he said they had the discretion to determine how I could cash out...

This sounds like something they would do.

[MMANick]

It's garbage and I don't use a local anymore at all, and won't. Why does it matter which way we deposit? The book is getting there money and getting it right away.

[pattymayo]

It's garbage and I don't use a local anymore at all, and won't. Why does it matter which way we deposit? The book is getting there money and getting it right away.

Cuz offshore books don’t want to pay and will do all they can do to stall and hope you blow your balance. Can’t blame them for that. But the good books will pay, just expect the run around and don’t blow your balance beforehand

[MMANick]

Cuz offshore books don’t want to pay and will do all they can do to stall and hope you blow your balance. Can’t blame them for that. But the good books will pay, just expect the run around and don’t blow your balance beforehand

Oh, the book that I use always pays, but I do get the run around quite a bit. And constant line changing when I place my wagers.

[funnyb25]

Oh, the book that I use always pays, but I do get the run around quite a bit. And constant line changing when I place my wagers.

That has to be annoying AF

[flyingcarbs]

Cuz offshore books don’t want to pay and will do all they can do to stall and hope you blow your balance. Can’t blame them for that. But the good books will pay, just expect the run around and don’t blow your balance beforehand

Books stalling is a nasty technique regardless of local or offshore.
Imagine trying to cash out at a local casino only for the cashier to say there's a delay or come back in 48 hours only to require a bunch of personal information.

[ikid2groove415]

Better then a bookie not paying you ? You going kill him and go to prison ? - sure books will stall but that’s why u bet with the elites heritage/Bookmaker/galaxy

[jbayko]

Yup. $3K check sent via FedEx. I laughed at the customer service rep when he told me that was my only option. I had previous deposits and withdrawals via bitcoin, but my last few deposits were via CC. So, he said they had the discretion to determine how I could cash out.

Sounded like a fukkin' ponzi scheme when he tried to explain keeping the same amount of liquidity in their btc cash pot vs. CC deposits that have cashed. I asked him, so...aren't their guys depositing with btc and losing? Therefore, it shouldn't matter. You should have more money in your btc pot than payouts. I don't use Heritage often.

Interesting. They still let me withdraw via BTC after several ad hoc debit card deposits.

As for their rationale they gave you, I don’t believe that’s the real reason why, which explains why it doesn’t sound correct. My understanding is that some books don’t allow it is because they don’t want to become a de facto bitcoin purchasing exchange.

[Booya711]

Have a local in three states....still the best way to go...never had a problem. I even had one die but another guy called me to settle

[MMANick]

Better then a bookie not paying you ? You going kill him and go to prison ? - sure books will stall but that’s why u bet with the elites heritage/Bookmaker/galaxy

I wouldn't kill anybody unless they threatened my family or me. But, I've stopped using locals because of fights or near fights because of their inability to pay on time.

And we need to stop with this better than a bookie crap, and the sure books will stall... It's an unacceptable way to run any business.

[KVB]

...My understanding is that some books don’t allow it is because they don’t want to become a de facto bitcoin purchasing exchange.

Correct.

The Treasury Dept would start looking their way again as well.

[GzaTheGenius]

Nitro is super fast , I use a local aside from that

Just fukk around with my .01 bets of make believe money that I got from bet points

[Bengals28]

BTC exclusive is the most nonsense thing I've ever heard of..why do books care as long as they're getting paid in the long run? If you're a customer with multiple years of history with no sort of charge backs or anything there should not be some BTC exclusive BS..you're absolutely right MMANick.

[ans61201]

Interesting. They still let me withdraw via BTC after several ad hoc debit card deposits.

As for their rationale they gave you, I don’t believe that’s the real reason why, which explains why it doesn’t sound correct. My understanding is that some books don’t allow it is because they don’t want to become a de facto bitcoin purchasing exchange.

They don't want to allow it because people will deposit 3k with a credit card, withdraw via btc and then dispute the charge and rip the book off. Not saying or supporting the run around books give as often times it's to keep balance on the site hoping you lose it, but as far as methods go that is why they do that when you
Make a cc deposit.

[bonusguy]

one night i stepped on my credit card so i figured it was done and ordered a new one. a few weeks later i went to heritage to cash out and they told me i needed to show a pic of that card........i told them it was long gone and they said they needed a pic of the card or i could never cash out. they said call my cc company and ask for a duplicate but the cc company already sent me a new card with different numbers

i did try calling the cc company but they said they never do that. i was out $1400 cause i never thought in a million years i needed proof of the card

then a few days later i saw the card in my desk broken in half. emailed them the broken card pic and they paid me. but still bs

[bonusguy]

thing is you could deposit $500 and run it to $25000 but if you lose your cc then you are done. thats what 2 heritage operators told me

[Plaza23]

I think 5d is now almost exclusively Bitcoin. I don't think you can even deposit with a CC anymore. I would play there if you want to get paid fairly quickly with BitCoins. The longest it's taken them to pay me was maybe a day at most. If it's longer than 6-7 hours, and you haven't gotten the verification email from them to confirm your bitcoin address, just go into live chat and refresh their memory that you requested a payout and they'll get it done.

How much $$$$ do you guys typically keep in offshore accounts? The thing that bothers me is keeping a full account, but only gambling at most 20% a day in it. So 80% of that money is sitting in the account, making no interest and not even being played with. But it's like, I don't want to pull it out either because if I have a bad run, then i'll just have to re-up and I hate doing that. So I just let it sit there and once I reach a certain level, then I'll make a cash out.

And I don't think any book likes you making a bunch of deposits and cash outs every week even if it is bitcoin.

[RAW]

Books stalling is a nasty technique regardless of local or offshore.
Imagine trying to cash out at a local casino only for the cashier to say there's a delay or come back in 48 hours only to require a bunch of personal information.

Pinnacle has been roping me along for the last month with a wire transfer. It's a joke how they can take so easily, but to pay the bill once they lose is a never ending battle if it's a large amount.

[Barrakuda]

Top books with no Hassle

1. Heritage Sports - Never jerk you around
2. Bovada - Fast. No jerking around.
3. Bookmaker - Fast. But sometimes screw you on BTC rate.

Slight hassle - but reputable
4. 5Dimes - Not so fast. But you'll get it before you die.

All the other books... piss on em


Other books that operate in BTC only...

Fairlay - Super fast. No issues.
Nitrogen - Slightly longer delay than Fairlay... but within 4 hours.

I don't fully trust BOL, but it and Lowvig are very fast and fair both in and out with BTC.

[Jared Brooks]

It seems crazy that I can deposit via BTC & have my money available within 30-40 minutes. I can also deposit via -- and have my money available within an hour. The credit card deposits are obviously available right away.

I can request a payout via -- and get it denied because I reached my limits or I'll get the payout, but it's not available for 24-48 hours, sometimes longer. You can request a BTC payout and get hounded because you don't exclusively deposit via BTC, and it stays under review for 24-48 hours and you have to do a phone verification and answer an email before the funds will get released, and you always get less than what you requested.

It feels like they're delaying your payouts hoping that you'll lose and be forced to cancel it.

I've never had any of these issues with Bookmaker. Large payouts via bitcoin have always been quick and easy. Haven't taken a payout from anyone else in a really long time.

[MMANick]

I use 5D. I know I'll get my money, but the stall tactics and BTC exclusive crap is just annoying. Lines changing at least 50% of the times that I place my bets, too... Never in my favor either lol.