Drugs

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:15 PM

Good read.
It effects everyone

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:21 PM

I firmly believe that jail is better treatment than these treatment centers. Hard time is a bitch slap into reality

**pilebuck13** · 04-08-18, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Shute

I firmly believe that jail is better treatment than these treatment centers. Hard time is a bitch slap into reality

Neither fukin matters unless your ready to change. Feeling indescribable, seen people do 8-10 years in prison come out and go straight back to drugs...seen high end treatment centers low end treatment centers fail and succeed addicts will continue to use until they have a inner change and are truly done

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:32 PM

Jail time provides the atmosphere that is needed for the privileged.
Maybe the treatment centers for the not-so-well-off.
Nothing can make a person reevaluate their situation like a 4 by 8.

**Slipknot26** · 04-08-18, 09:34 PM

Haven't watched many shows huh ?
You can get drugs easier in jail than on the streets in cases . You think guards give a fukk you get drugs in prison while making $12/ hr , easily paid off .

**pilebuck13** · 04-08-18, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Shute

Jail time provides the atmosphere that is needed for the privileged.
Maybe the treatment centers for the not-so-well-off.
Nothing can make a person reevaluate their situation like a 4 by 8.

Wrong jail stops nobody

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:38 PM

Totally different environment than the streets.
The streets eat you alive.
The streets own your soul.
Drugs in the penn pass the time.
Can’t destroy you if using during lock up
Maybe a few deaths here and there
However the freedom a drug addict has outside of prison is what cause the ultimate demise.

**thedenthead** · 04-08-18, 09:38 PM

Prescription drug addiction is a mess. A ton of people I graduated with got caught in this trap. The prescription drugs flowed rampantly and the second they were cut off due to regulations they all turned to heroin. Its sick man, I've lost 3 close friends to it. Just glad i always avoided it.

**thedenthead** · 04-08-18, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by pilebuck13

Wrong jail stops nobody

Jail isn't shit. Commissary will get you whatever you want.

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:41 PM

Just my thoughts and experience
Truth is that it’s destroying society
It effects everyone
Multiple ways to attack this issue
Kid with college degree and privileged background should have been sent away for a year after his 2nd or 3rd offense.
Might of saved his life.

**gauchojake** · 04-08-18, 09:48 PM

Jail/Prison is a wake up call to some, but like a few have said, you can easily get drugs and booze inside.

The rehab facility thing I have mixed feelings on. They help some, but not everyone who is there wants help. Many are there to avoid jail/prison sentences not to get better. Even if you want to get better, that isn't a guarantee. There are also a lot of people who are running these facilities who do not care if you ever get clean as long as the check clears.

It's a tough situation.

**gauchojake** · 04-08-18, 09:49 PM

Shute call your sponsor and say the serenity prayer and read pg 80-83

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:50 PM

“Many are there to avoid jail/prison.”
Exactly my point.
It’s not a fix for all; however most need a wake up call.

**gauchojake** · 04-08-18, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Shute

“Many are there to avoid jail/prison.”
Exactly my point.
It’s not a fix for all; however most need a wake up call.

Then you end up with a nation of convicts that can't be gainfully employed when they are released. I know a lot of guys who got scared straight and didn't need incarceration to get sober. A lot that didn't. They all end up in jail or dead if they keep down that path so it's almost a moot point.

**Shute** · 04-08-18, 09:59 PM

Good discussion
Hard to fix
Heroin is the crack of the 90s however it kills at 10000x the rate

**maggiethebestdog** · 04-08-18, 10:02 PM

The drug treatment industry is a complete money grabbing scam that doesn't work

**dlowilly** · 04-08-18, 10:02 PM

Interesting article

The "they are worth much more money relapsing than clean" bit is alarming, but it's not really a new concept in medicine is it

**pilebuck13** · 04-08-18, 10:06 PM

Heroin coming from Mexico 💡...it does not matter though the latest surge in heroin abuse was 100 percent due to prescription drugs getting out of hand in this country so everyone can make millions meanwhile the cartels just seized on this...

**gauchojake** · 04-08-18, 10:06 PM

I have heard stories from guys who claim that the houses send in pretty girls to get them to relapse. Any time you pay providers every time they perform a service, it's fraud/waste/abuse waiting to happen.

**Slipknot26** · 04-08-18, 10:07 PM

Until you've hit rock fukkin bottom , addicts aren't to the stopping point .
Sadly , rock bottom to some is death , others have something that drives them to sobriety , a marriage , a child , job ,
At this point , the US is out of control with high amounts of opiods , Oxycotin , daulidad but the downfall is once the user runs out , it's worse ,they turn to meth , heroin with all kinds of shit in it .
I went to rehab but I had honestly hit rock bottom about 8 years ago , I went for me and me alone , my life had turned to absolute shit . I turned to drugs for feeling bad , they made me at least be able to go to work and keep my job , actually able to function just not sober , but it takes more and more just like anything else in life . It got out of control .
So I went to a facility for 4 weeks , it got me clean , got out , found out why I felt like shit , wound up having cancer but it did help because I wanted and needed the help .
Until an addict decides enough is enough , it'll continue on for most . Sadly , most won't make it out alive but there are places that truly want to help , not in it just for the money .

**bhoor** · 04-08-18, 10:14 PM

Drug addiction is hard to overcome as it seems. It simply destroys the lives. I'm never into drugs.

**lonegambler23** · 04-08-18, 10:16 PM

the drip keeps bringing you back

**VeggieDog** · 04-08-18, 10:21 PM

Drugs thin the herd.

**dlowilly** · 04-08-18, 10:23 PM

I was shocked an ESPN article mentioned that Obamacare was a main catalyst

**Slipknot26** · 04-08-18, 10:23 PM

Nobody wakes up saying "Think I'll be an addict and possibly die or live a potentially miserable life forever " ? I sure as hell didn't but once it got me , pure hell to get out off of just like everyone else .
It's the feeling , just like drinking , smoking , gambling , sex . I know people who drink that are worse than addicts yet they don't think drinking is bad yet look down on pill poppers
Try to explain , it's no different , just 2 different methods to obtain a certain feeling .
It's the euphoria that locks yours ass in until you take it over or it continues with it's take over that it already has on you .

**HurryUpAndDrink** · 04-08-18, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot26

Nobody wakes up saying "Think I'll be an addict and possibly die or live a potentially miserable life forever " ? I sure as hell didn't but once it got me , pure hell to get out off of just like everyone else .
It's the feeling , just like drinking , smoking , gambling , sex . I know people who drink that are worse than addicts yet they don't think drinking is bad yet look down on pill poppers
Try to explain , it's no different , just 2 different methods to obtain a certain feeling .
It's the euphoria that locks yours ass in until you take it over or it continues with it's take over that it already has on you .

+1

Most of us start dabbling with substances under age, when the brain aint fully developed and you are not even full equipped to deal with life struggles... and of course, once you do you have the addiction and all the problems that go with it. I always said "NO"... evetho I hung with punk rockers and skaters I was always a booze and cigs guy from 13-16, was not fond of the ganja much less the stronger stuff, but all it takes is a bad spell at home, a bad week, some peer pressure and god forbids a girl offers you getting high to fukk ... what, you gonna say no? Thats how I was introduced to cocaine, with sex.

And I was hooked. The rest is history... a bad choice during your teens can follow you forever.

**dlowilly** · 04-08-18, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by HurryUpAndDrink

+1

Most of us start dabbling with substances under age, when the brain aint fully developed and you are not even full equipped to deal with life struggles... and of course, once you do you have the addiction and all the problems that go with it. I always said "NO"... evetho I hung with punk rockers and skaters I was always a booze and cigs guy from 13-16, was not fond of the ganja much less the stronger stuff, but all it takes is a bad spell at home, a bad week, some peer pressure and god forbids a girl offers you getting high to fukk ... what, you gonna say no? Thats how I was introduced to cocaine, with sex.

And I was hooked. The rest is history... a bad choice during your teens can follow you forever.

That's why I don't think the "thinning the herd" comment is accurate

It's mostly young people who get started and a tough time in life, they aren't emotionally and mentally fully developed, and there's all kinds of bad influences and pressures these days.

**jjgold** · 04-09-18, 05:29 AM

millions of stories like this daily
nothing knew
nobody listens

sad

**SportsMushroom** · 04-09-18, 05:50 AM

so you want to jail the victims instead of helping them huh?

why not jail gambling addicts too? or is that too close to home you hypocrite?

every fuking conservative is going straight to hell, there is no doubt about that, nasty people

**Hman** · 04-09-18, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Shute

I firmly believe that jail is better treatment than these treatment centers. Hard time is a bitch slap into reality

I've never tried a single drug & never will, but my brother was the opposite for years.

A man i knew told me the rehabs don't work & the only way to get him/someone off is to take them out to the woods, chain them to a tree, and keep coming back to feed them.

Then ask them "Are you ready to straighten up?", and when they say yes, respond with "NO YOU'RE NOT!" while kicking them around a bit while they're chained up on the ground & leave them longer. Haha

**HurryUpAndDrink** · 04-09-18, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Hman

I've never tried a single drug & never will, but my brother was the opposite for years.

A man i knew told me the rehabs don't work & the only way to get him/someone off is to take them out to the woods, chain them to a tree, and keep coming back to feed them.

Then ask them "Are you ready to straighten up?", and when they say yes, respond with "NO YOU'RE NOT!" while kicking them around a bit while they're chained up on the ground & leave them longer. Haha

**bhoor** · 04-09-18, 07:41 AM

I always wonder why car insurance is damn cheap in US , while all other insurances like health care is skyrocketing. When I worked in Houston some years back, I only paid $50 for my car insurance. Oh my god, they charge $4k to $6k for single urine sample. Well, I'm paying almost $300 per month for my SUV here in Canada, not to mention I'm an A-1 driver without any prior accidents. Auto insurance is scam in Canada, especially in the province of Ontario.

**JohnGalt2341** · 04-09-18, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Hman

I've never tried a single drug & never will, but my brother was the opposite for years.

A man i knew told me the rehabs don't work & the only way to get him/someone off is to take them out to the woods, chain them to a tree, and keep coming back to feed them.

Then ask them "Are you ready to straighten up?", and when they say yes, respond with "NO YOU'RE NOT!" while kicking them around a bit while they're chained up on the ground & leave them longer. Haha

If this was applied correctly I think it might be able to work quite well. Take the TV show Survivor... but only for addicts. You could call it Survivor Rehab or something like that. I really think getting people back to the very basic elements and teaching them basic survival skills could have a powerful impact on many addicts. Sure it wouldn't be perfect... far from it. But whatever success rates current rehabs have... it doesn't seem very good. I think a radically new approach like this is worth a shot. Not to mention I think a lot of people would watch it if it was a TV show.

**TheMoneyShot** · 04-09-18, 10:01 AM

I think it's something you're just born into.... either you want em... or you don't.

Never cared to experiment with drugs... and never tried.

But I know a lot of families who deal with sons/daughters that are on them.

One parent lost her 35 year old daughter just last month. Heavy drug use for 10 years... body can only take so much.