The Problem With Tanking In The NBA.

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  • Harry N. Lloyd
    SBR MVP
    • 03-26-08
    • 4810

    #36
    Originally posted by The Giant
    I was just illustrating that it's possible to get better through the draft.

    And since that is the case, who wouldn't want to have the highest possible selections?
    Of course you want the highest possible selections. Agreed.

    But tanking on purpose is like selling your soul.

    I don't remember Red Auerbach instructing his team to lose so that they might possibly get a better draft pick.

    Losing is for losers!
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    • The Giant
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 01-21-12
      • 21480

      #37
      Originally posted by Harry N. Lloyd
      Of course you want the highest possible selections. Agreed.

      But tanking on purpose is like selling your soul.

      I don't remember Red Auerbach instructing his team to lose so that they might possibly get a better draft pick.

      Losing is for losers!
      We'll see if you're saying such things when you're watching the Lakers and 76ers squaring off in the 2020 NBA Finals.
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      • bigtymer56
        SBR MVP
        • 07-31-12
        • 4742

        #38
        Originally posted by Harry N. Lloyd
        Tristan Thompson is not exactly a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. He was the Cavs actual selection that year. They landed the right to draft Kyrie in a trade with the Clips for Baron Davis. Without the trade it would've been Thompson only. The trade saved them, not tanking.
        That doesn't dispute my point without the years of high lottery picks Lebron wouldn't have gone back and thus Cleveland would still be without a title.
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        • bigtymer56
          SBR MVP
          • 07-31-12
          • 4742

          #39
          PS the Irving draft was rigged.
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          • mikejamm
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-24-09
            • 11045

            #40
            NBA is putting an end to that tanking shit. There won't be much of an incentive to do it next year.

            From Espn:

            The team with the worst record will have a 25 percent chance of landing the No. 1 pick in this year's NBA draft.

            Starting with the 2019 draft, the three teams with the worst records will share a 14 percent chance of getting the No. 1 pick, a move intended to lessen the incentive to lose at the end of the season.
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            • fataliz
              SBR Sharp
              • 01-04-10
              • 334

              #41
              the success of 76ers this year is gonna further fuel the tanking process
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #42
                It’s taken years and years and years for the Philadelphia 76ers to be good never forget that
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                • dlowilly
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 11-09-16
                  • 13862

                  #43
                  I fuking hate the Clippers

                  this bucks clippers game looks rigged as shit

                  Lou Williams, Austin Rivers, Deandre Jordan, Doc Rivers...suck a dick
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                  • dlowilly
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-09-16
                    • 13862

                    #44
                    How does a NBA playoff team like the Bucks just choke away the game like this? Sick of betting this shit league
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                    • dlowilly
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-09-16
                      • 13862

                      #45
                      League is so fuking rigged

                      4th qtr meltdowns by away teams

                      Home teams make every 3 pointer in the last few minutes total Bull shit
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                      • dlowilly
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-09-16
                        • 13862

                        #46
                        Lou Wiliams flopping that skeletor looking asshole
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                        • Harry N. Lloyd
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-26-08
                          • 4810

                          #47
                          Originally posted by dlowilly
                          League is so fuking rigged

                          4th qtr meltdowns by away teams

                          Home teams make every 3 pointer in the last few minutes total Bull shit
                          It's pretty impressive that the league can "rig" it so that the home teams make every 3 pointer in the last few minutes.

                          WTF is wrong with you conspiracy idiots?!
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                          • A4K
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 10-08-12
                            • 5243

                            #48
                            The NBA needs to have separate standings for non-playoff teams for the last 30 games. Make any non-playoff team that wins the most of those 30 games the #1 overall pick. Screw tanking!
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                            • Regul8er
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 11-06-07
                              • 10666

                              #49
                              Originally posted by A4K
                              The NBA needs to have separate standings for non-playoff teams for the last 30 games. Make any non-playoff team that wins the most of those 30 games the #1 overall pick. Screw tanking!
                              Best post I've read in weeks! I love it.
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                              • ans61201
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-11-15
                                • 3661

                                #50
                                Because other NBA Gms are willing to trade Demarcus cousins for those "potential" scraps. Because being middle of the road in the NBA is literally the worst position to be in in sports
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                                • ans61201
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 10-11-15
                                  • 3661

                                  #51
                                  This coming from someone who thinks the NBA draft is terribly overrated because of weak one and done prospects drafted off what they might be by the time their contracts are up in time to head to a big market
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                                  • dlowilly
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-09-16
                                    • 13862

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by A4K
                                    The NBA needs to have separate standings for non-playoff teams for the last 30 games. Make any non-playoff team that wins the most of those 30 games the #1 overall pick. Screw tanking!
                                    Great idea!

                                    Kind of goes against the purpose of the lottery though plus they might tank the 10-15 games before the final 30
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                                    • texhooper
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-05-09
                                      • 10001

                                      #53
                                      There’s a lot of emphasis on TANKING but also some teams just fukking suck without really having to try too hard.
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                                      • doitnow
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-27-16
                                        • 2584

                                        #54
                                        For the 2019 season why doesn't the NBA select the worst 8 teams in the league and have them compete for the top 8 draft picks, that way there is no incentive to lose. I would say suns, Memphis,hawks,bulls, mavs, kings, magic, Knicks, would battle it out, there is a clear cut bottom 8
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                                        • dlowilly
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-09-16
                                          • 13862

                                          #55
                                          Maybe they need a relegation system like in Euro soccer

                                          Bottom 3 teams get relegated and the top D league teams get promoted and of course are able to acquire the best players from the relegated teams

                                          I would love to see the Fort Wayne Mad Ants play the Cleveland Cavs

                                          Yeah I know the D league is the minor league affiliate of the NBA but I'm sure something can be worked out
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                                          • b1slickguy
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-24-11
                                            • 11959

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by 2daBank
                                            There is a good thing about it. Friend of mine brought up this strategy he been using lately w some success. Watch for games where one the tanking teams gets out to a early lead then fade them live as they have no interest in winning these games and you can often get the favorite pretty cheap in game.
                                            Did your friend show you the "stiffing on a bet betpoints loan" strategy or did you come up with that one all on your own?
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                                            • k13
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 07-16-10
                                              • 18104

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by Harry N. Lloyd
                                              Tyus Jones,
                                              Andrew Wiggins,
                                              Anthony Bennett,
                                              Sergey Karasev,
                                              Dion Waiters

                                              Tell me who among those first round picks did Lebron get excited about.
                                              He got excited about Wiggins..
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                                              • TeddyB
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 09-10-16
                                                • 425

                                                #58
                                                They should have every team have the same percentage chance of winning the 1st pick. Do a lottery with all 30 teams doing draft order 1-30 with all teams having the same percentage chance of winning. It doesn't matter if the best team gets the 1st pick. The rich get richer.
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                                                • dlowilly
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-09-16
                                                  • 13862

                                                  #59
                                                  Hawks tanked this game against the Heat late in the 4th and made it way too obvious
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                                                  • lakerboy
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 04-02-09
                                                    • 94379

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                    Hawks tanked this game against the Heat late in the 4th and made it way too obvious
                                                    They are all doing that. Trying then quitting. The mavs especially. I almost took Hawks ml Today. I would have been pissed
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                                                    • dlowilly
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-09-16
                                                      • 13862

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                      They are all doing that. Trying then quitting. The mavs especially. I almost took Hawks ml Today. I would have been pissed
                                                      I will never bet win totals on bad NBA teams again, big mistake
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                                                      • HurryUpAndDrink
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 08-23-13
                                                        • 13017

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by TeddyB
                                                        They should have every team have the same percentage chance of winning the 1st pick. Do a lottery with all 30 teams doing draft order 1-30 with all teams having the same percentage chance of winning. It doesn't matter if the best team gets the 1st pick. The rich get richer.
                                                        May be the only solution to this problem.
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                                                        • HurryUpAndDrink
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 08-23-13
                                                          • 13017

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                          Maybe they need a relegation system like in Euro soccer

                                                          Bottom 3 teams get relegated and the top D league teams get promoted and of course are able to acquire the best players from the relegated teams

                                                          I would love to see the Fort Wayne Mad Ants play the Cleveland Cavs

                                                          Yeah I know the D league is the minor league affiliate of the NBA but I'm sure something can be worked out
                                                          Another good idea... Need to fortify and expand that D2 first, progressively... start doing it today, change the draft system in 5-6 years.
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                                                          • pavyracer
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 04-12-07
                                                            • 82839

                                                            #64
                                                            If the NBA had relegation no one would be tanking.
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                                                            • Mr KLC
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 12-19-07
                                                              • 31097

                                                              #65
                                                              After a 12-5 start, the Grizzlies‘ season has taken an unfortunate turn, with the team having lost 17 of its last 23 games, including the last six in a row. Memphis is now tied for 13th in the West, 3.5 games back of the eighth seed, which creates an interesting dilemma for the organization as next month’s trade deadline nears.

                                                              The Grizzlies owe their 2019 first-round pick to the Celtics, but that pick is top-eight protected, meaning Memphis will hang onto it if it ends up at No. 8 or better. Currently, the Grizzlies are tied for the ninth-worst record in the NBA. If Memphis’ struggles continue, it might be in the franchise’s best long-term interests to prioritize keeping its draft pick for next season rather than attempting to push for the No. 8 seed.

                                                              As David Cobb of The Memphis Commercial Appeal relays, general manager Chris Wallace was noncommittal when asked if the Grizzlies expect to convey that first-round pick to Boston this year or potentially keep it: “We’ll see where the season takes us at this point in time. We still have half a season to go. We’ll be prepared for either eventuality.”

                                                              Memphis is in a tough spot, since bottoming out and hanging onto that 2019 first-round pick wouldn’t necessarily guarantee that the team eventually sends the Celtics a less favorable pick. That first-rounder will become top-six protected in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 if it’s not conveyed in ’19, Cobb notes.
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                                                              • OVAKUL
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-16-17
                                                                • 1541

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by TeddyB
                                                                They should have every team have the same percentage chance of winning the 1st pick. Do a lottery with all 30 teams doing draft order 1-30 with all teams having the same percentage chance of winning. It doesn't matter if the best team gets the 1st pick. The rich get richer.
                                                                Good point. Away with this socialist equality crap, go capitalism!
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