Fvck poker!

[Richkas]

pokers all luck

[KingRevolver]

Ok, Mr. Horsies

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah, well the guy had like 90 dollars. I figured if he was going to stick the 8 bucks in there, he was probably going to call the 18 or so I had left. And since I had the best hand -- I just went ahead and pushed. In hindsight, yes, that would've been a better option. But who's to say he wouldn't have also bet the turn if I had just flat called on the flop? I would've certainly have pushed at that point - and he would've called being pot committed. Eh - stupid poker.

Maybe I should've raised 5 bucks instead of 3.50...who knows...although he had a suited connector...those are great to play in a cash game.

If anything, you should have raised less preflop. It gives you that much more to work with in the subsequent streets if you're short stacked. 4xBB is more than enough. I generally stick to 3x.

You're also excluding the factor of him slowing down on the turn. He may very well just check it on the turn with 10 high.

[MonkeyF0cker]

In either case, you take down the pot or get your money in even better. You also have the option of mucking if the draw gets there and you put him on it.

[MonkeyF0cker]

There really isn't anything wrong with how you played it. However, I tend to let agressive players play into me.

[KingRevolver]

If anything, you should have raised less preflop. It gives you that much more to work with in the subsequent streets if you're short stacked. 4xBB is more than enough. I generally stick to 3x.

You're also excluding the factor of him slowing down on the turn. He may very well just check it on the turn with 10 high.

Yeah but if I raise less then that invites some of the other douches to call with garbage. And the more people in the hand, the less likely to win with Aces. There's all these nuances in Poker. I love the game but it's tough sometimes to lose to a person you know you're better than.

I do agree with the rest of your stuff, though. And usually I am also a trapper and I let the aggressive player dictate play. I don't know - maybe the fact that the 30 dollars was given to me made me change my play a little bit.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Why not just shove if you don't want action with AA then? I've never understood that mentality. If you can't lay down AA, you likely won't make money playing poker.

[KingRevolver]

Why not just shove if you don't want action with AA then? I've never understood that mentality. If you can't lay down AA, you likely won't make money playing poker.

WTF are you talking about? I RAISED pre-flop...I didn't do anything wrong there. I'm not going to limp in under the gun or put in a tiny raise if I'm going to get 2-3 doucebags calling. If I raise - and don't get called - oh well. That's how it goes!

And there's no way I could fold AA on the flop...I had trips. I had the best hand possible...there were no flushes out there.

[MonkeyF0cker]

A tiny raise is 3-4x the BB? Good to know. Like I said, why not just shove if you don't want action?

I'm not talking about THIS hand. If you raise a standard amount each time you raise preflop, you don't telegraph your hands. If you are afraid of preflop action with AA with a "tiny raise," it means you aren't capable of laying it down or slowing down with it.

[KingRevolver]

A tiny raise is 3-4x the BB? Good to know. Like I said, why not just shove if you don't want action?

I'm not talking about THIS hand. If you raise a standard amount each time you raise preflop, you don't telegraph your hands. If you are afraid of preflop action with AA with a "tiny raise," it means you aren't capable of laying it down or slowing down with it.

No, a tiny raise isn't 3,4 times the BB! You said I should've maybe put in a "tiny raise" in an earlier post...that's what I was talking about. Anyway...

Did you play in the Freeroll? Are you going to this Thursday?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Where did I say anything other than either a 3x or 4x the BB raise? Look again. And again.

The fact is, if you make it $2 to go preflop (4x BB) here and assume everything plays out the same way, he pot bets on the flop for maybe $5. If you shove over the top for an additional $23, he doesn't have odds to call. But since you made it $3.50, his bet of $8 and your reraise of $18 gives him odds to call there. He's nearly 2:1 (31%) and he's calling $18 into a pot of $43 or so...

[KingRevolver]

Where did I say anything other than either a 3x or 4x the BB raise? Look again. And again.

The fact is, if you make it $2 to go preflop (4x BB) here and assume everything plays out the same way, he pot bets on the flop for maybe $5. If you shove over the top for an additional $23, he doesn't have odds to call. But since you made it $3.50, his bet of $8 and your reraise of $18 gives him odds to call there. He's nearly 2:1 (31%) and he's calling $18 into a pot of $43 or so...

You're right. Misread what you said - I'm actually the one who said it.

And I agree with you 'cept you really think he wouldn't have called if I had shoved in $23? Yeah right. When's the last time you played online? Any of these idiots out there would've called that with an open-ended straight, especially when the douche had like 90 dollars on him. These guys throw money around like nothing - they don't care. Against a decent live player - you'd be correct. No doubt about that...

[MonkeyF0cker]

That's the point. You WANT bad calls. If you want to look at it from a short term perspective, you'll never do well in poker. You certainly don't want to give players odds if you want to make money consistently playing poker.

[aznimportboy]

See ya in event3 King.

[KingRevolver]

See ya in event3 King.

Alright, bud

[donjuan]

That's the point. You WANT bad calls. If you want to look at it from a short term perspective, you'll never do well in poker. You certainly don't want to give players odds if you want to make money consistently playing poker.

If they are results oriented in sports betting it's no surprise that they are results oriented in poker...

[reno cool]

The opponent made a bad call preflop. On the flop KR wants to be called for all in. Yes, maybe a smaller raise pre-flop is correct. But, a lot of people these days seem to call $10 preflop in a 1-2 game with pretty marginal hands. A smaller raise will entice A rag to call hoping to flop 2pr, and trap someone for their entire stack. Yes a good player should be able to fold an overpair or top pair good kicker to a large bet, but this is a scenario you want to avoid by raising enough.

[pico]

bad beats happens everywhere. colddecks can tilt the most seasoned poker players.

[slacker00]

If anything, you should have raised less preflop. It gives you that much more to work with in the subsequent streets if you're short stacked. 4xBB is more than enough. I generally stick to 3x.

You're also excluding the factor of him slowing down on the turn. He may very well just check it on the turn with 10 high.

He played it correct. There's no value in this type of play at those limits. Especially since it sounds like he's got zero read on the guy, there's no way he can put him on T9s or anything else. Just raise and shove in that spot, that's what he did. He had 2 to 1 edge when the money went in. If anyone here thinks a 2 to 1 shot never comes in, you shouldn't be gambling on poker, sports or anything else.

[KingRevolver]

That's right - tell him boys! Go off on Monkeyfvck!

[Bread]

Monkey will eat your unborn children. Tread lightly...

[KingRevolver]

Monkey will eat your unborn children. Tread lightly...

Monkey ain't shit! I had that fool on my nuts last night...hmm maybe you're right.

[yahoonino]

skill my ass ,,,i been knock out of many live tournament ,,,,calling with the best hand,,to be beat on the river, that pure luck,,,,25 percent skill ,,75 percent luck that my take and stick to it

[TheLock]

Uh, no

Long term, skill plays a far greater roll than luck in poker.

Speaking of poker, I played for the first time in a few weeks last night and I left up $193 after play live 1/2 NL at the local casino.

I love felting the annoying loose aggressive guy at the table who thinks he's the captain.

[KingRevolver]

Where the fvck is Monkeyboy

[aznimportboy]

pokers all luck

I disagree with that RICKY.

Poker involves:

~SKILL%

~PATIENCE%

~LUCK%

On any given day, 2 of the 3 factors could get you deep into a tournament or paid off in a cash game. No one can accurately allocate the percentages, so I wont even try to.




HQ

[MonkeyF0cker]

He played it correct. There's no value in this type of play at those limits. Especially since it sounds like he's got zero read on the guy, there's no way he can put him on T9s or anything else. Just raise and shove in that spot, that's what he did. He had 2 to 1 edge when the money went in. If anyone here thinks a 2 to 1 shot never comes in, you shouldn't be gambling on poker, sports or anything else.

If he has "zero read" then he definitely should have smooth called the flop and shoved on the turn if it blanks. I don't know what you mean by "no value in this type of play at those limits." There is only mathematical value. 3-4xBB is still 3-4xBB no matter what stakes you are playing. I'm simply trying to tell him the way he should be playing. It doesn't matter what the other children at the kiddie tables are doing. And yes, I already established that he was about a 2:1 favorite and I already established that the way he played it gave the other player odds to call. If your play is creating +EV opportunities for other players, please don't argue that you're playing correct, because you'd be wrong.

[KingRevolver]

Go off on these guys, Monkey! Don't take any shit!

[DrStale]

I disagree with that RICKY.

Poker involves:

~SKILL%

~PATIENCE%

~LUCK%

On any given day, 2 of the 3 factors could get you deep into a tournament or paid off in a cash game. No one can accurately allocate the percentages, so I wont even try to.




HQ

Well put.

[reno cool]

If he has "zero read" then he definitely should have smooth called the flop and shoved on the turn if it blanks. I don't know what you mean by "no value in this type of play at those limits." There is only mathematical value. 3-4xBB is still 3-4xBB no matter what stakes you are playing. I'm simply trying to tell him the way he should be playing. It doesn't matter what the other children at the kiddie tables are doing. And yes, I already established that he was about a 2:1 favorite and I already established that the way he played it gave the other player odds to call. If your play is creating +EV opportunities for other players, please don't argue that you're playing correct, because you'd be wrong.

Interesting, but do you really know what's a blank on the turn? No way you can fold your set to any size bet on the turn. Heads up your trip Aces figure to beat so many possible hands a guy could be betting with, including lower set or 2pr. When you know you're a favorite you have to be happy with getting all the money in.

[KingRevolver]

This Reno Cool knows his shit - boys and girls.