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  • d2bets
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    • 08-10-05
    • 39995

    #13511
    Originally posted by homie1975
    melt up continues...........
    New ATH's not that far away.
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    • milwaukee mike
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      • 08-22-07
      • 26914

      #13512
      Originally posted by d2bets
      Yeah, so Trump made the marriage penalty worse.
      i have always disagreed with that term, "marriage penalty"

      my wife never worked so we got a huge benefit from being married, certainly didn't get punished tax-wise

      weird how democrat-leaning people nitpick certain items under republican presidencies and say "bush made that worse" or "trump made that worse"... pretty much nobody paid more federal income taxes under W or trump than they paid under the previous administration, on the same income
      state of illinois, the most liberal-leaning in the area, jacked up their income taxes from 2.5-3% up to 4.95%, lied claiming it was temporary, and then made it permanent... so if you're gonna criticize lying scoundrels and tax thieving governments, we could all start there, in addition to their ridiculous sales taxes, and privatizing stuff like chicago parking meters so that nobody could afford them
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      • homie1975
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-24-13
        • 15452

        #13513
        Originally posted by d2bets
        New ATH's not that far away.
        my beloved Nazzy still 13.25% away from ATH of 16,057 so plenty of space to go and no complaints here
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        • trobin31
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-09-14
          • 9853

          #13514
          IWM holding a nice clean breakout so imma roll with some TNA up until IWM sees $200. Assuming we test back down just gonna average in

          probably last week or two to jump on PYPL before they do some sookin n fookin in earnings
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          • d2bets
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-10-05
            • 39995

            #13515
            Originally posted by homie1975
            my beloved Nazzy still 13.25% away from ATH of 16,057 so plenty of space to go and no complaints here
            Wow. I didn't realize that ATH was over 16k. S&P is actually closer. Somewhere in the 4800's. Almost 4,500 now, so really not very far away. I think this keeps running through the ATH either late this year or early next. 5,100-5,200 then a breather. Economy in a good place and AI automation is gonna bring efficiencies that drive earnings. Oh, and NVDA is gonna be the first 5 trillion dollar company within 3 years. It will beat Apple in that race.
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            • Slurry Pumper
              SBR MVP
              • 06-18-18
              • 2811

              #13516
              Well the banks kick off the earnings season with all the big boys making the cash. This was one of the easier calls of the year here, and I hope you all are making the money too.
              Can't help but notice one of my mid term plays is also doing the deal. GLD after spiking through some support, is making the bounce but it is coming up against resistance at around the $183 level, so as it gets closer, I'll be unloading, if it gets above I'll jump back in with a retest in price when that happens, or just enjoy the continued run in the gold price as I have plenty of physical on hand stashed away in various spots.
              Finally my FLS play has yet to start happening, as the price got closer to the $39 level, I cost averaged down as some of yous say, but the price didn't get to the magical bail out price of $39, and even if it does, it has to close the week to get me to unload and buy my short position back.
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              • Slurry Pumper
                SBR MVP
                • 06-18-18
                • 2811

                #13517
                Looks like everyone had the same idea with the banks as I did, sell into the bank earnings this morning. Its like we all know the economy is teetering on destruction and negative issues, and the banks will once again be at the center of the collapse. Enjoy the rally as dark clouds are comin.
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                • homie1975
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-24-13
                  • 15452

                  #13518
                  Originally posted by d2bets
                  Wow. I didn't realize that ATH was over 16k. S&P is actually closer. Somewhere in the 4800's. Almost 4,500 now, so really not very far away. I think this keeps running through the ATH either late this year or early next. 5,100-5,200 then a breather. Economy in a good place and AI automation is gonna bring efficiencies that drive earnings. Oh, and NVDA is gonna be the first 5 trillion dollar company within 3 years. It will beat Apple in that race.
                  hopefully for you and your fam, NVDA will be beyond the moon !

                  good health, 2er
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                  • guitarjosh
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-25-07
                    • 5784

                    #13519
                    I'm not saying we can't hit a new ATH on the S&P 500, but the market is insanely overbought. Seeing internals in the economy are falling apart as well, I'd be shocked if we're not in a new bear market and recession by the end of the year.
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                    • homie1975
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-24-13
                      • 15452

                      #13520
                      Originally posted by guitarjosh
                      I'm not saying we can't hit a new ATH on the S&P 500, but the market is insanely overbought. Seeing internals in the economy are falling apart as well, I'd be shocked if we're not in a new bear market and recession by the end of the year.
                      Not insanely overbought like 2000. Not even close to that.

                      A bit frothy yes, but still north of 10% away from Nazzy ATH.
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                      • d2bets
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 39995

                        #13521
                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                        I'm not saying we can't hit a new ATH on the S&P 500, but the market is insanely overbought. Seeing internals in the economy are falling apart as well, I'd be shocked if we're not in a new bear market and recession by the end of the year.
                        What internals are falling apart? I don't see that at all. Looks to me like soft landing is setting up nicely. I think quite a bit more room to run past ATH before a correction.
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                        • Madison
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 09-16-11
                          • 6442

                          #13522
                          jacked up their income taxes from 2.5-3% up to 4.95%, lied claiming it was temporary, and then made it permanent..

                          Please point out when this isn't the case. Kind of like inflation and price reductions. Get used to $15 hamburgers.
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                          • homie1975
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-24-13
                            • 15452

                            #13523
                            Originally posted by d2bets
                            What internals are falling apart? I don't see that at all. Looks to me like soft landing is setting up nicely. I think quite a bit more room to run past ATH before a correction.
                            i am seeing the same thing you are.
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                            • homie1975
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-24-13
                              • 15452

                              #13524
                              Originally posted by Madison
                              jacked up their income taxes from 2.5-3% up to 4.95%, lied claiming it was temporary, and then made it permanent..

                              Please point out when this isn't the case. Kind of like inflation and price reductions. Get used to $15 hamburgers.
                              i am very glad that while i thought about selling some portions of my positions a couple, three weeks ago, i ended up not doing so.

                              i would have seen the market continue to climb after my selling.

                              no doubt we are pretty frothy right now but as I said to Josher, it is not the frothiness of 2000 and let me add not the frothiness of Nov 2021 either.

                              currently we are off the ATH on the SPX by ~5% and the Nasdaq by ~12%.

                              DOW? also ~5%

                              inflation is cooling and that along with the AI craze are the two main drivers of our melt up.

                              as someone already mentioned, AI *should* bring up company profits and realization rates across most industries and we know that cooling inflation is almost always good for profits.

                              get ready for tremendous Q2 earnings and extremely favorable forward guidance by all of the CAPS whether mega, large, medium or small.
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                              • guitarjosh
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-25-07
                                • 5784

                                #13525
                                Originally posted by homie1975
                                Not insanely overbought like 2000. Not even close to that.

                                A bit frothy yes, but still north of 10% away from Nazzy ATH.
                                Regarding the S&P 500 p/e ratio, we're not, but we're not off by much. We're in the mid-20s now, in the upper 20s in 2000, and that was still enough for a short, mild recession to cut the S&P 500 in half. If earnings drop a little bit we can be back to where we were in 2000.

                                Other indicators, like bullish % or % of stocks above their 50 & 200-day moving averages are at overbought levels, levels where you get trend reversals that last months.

                                Originally posted by d2bets
                                What internals are falling apart? I don't see that at all. Looks to me like soft landing is setting up nicely. I think quite a bit more room to run past ATH before a correction.
                                We'll start with government tax receipts. Every time it crashes to -5 or more year over year (the red horizontal line), it coincides with a recession. We are there now.



                                Permanent job losers are creeping up again, up to almost 19. We're higher than we were in February 2000 (a recession began in March) and September 2007 ( a recession began in December)



                                Banks needing help is going parabolic



                                Real GDI is negative year over year. Every other time this has happened since WWII, we've had a recession.



                                M2 is negative year over year. This is the 5th time this has happened since the Civil War. In other instances, it coincided with either panics or depressions.



                                The yield curve has been inverted for over a year and in terms of the ratio of the inversion, it's never been more inverted. In terms of basis points it's the most inverted in roughly 40 years. Core PCE was up .3% month over month. I know annualizing 1 month's worth of data isn't a great idea, but it would be 3.6% annualized. The past 6 months of core PCE is 4.8% annualized, and the Fed wants us at 2%. I seriously doubt the Fed will be cutting rates this year, meaning we would have to be inverted for 1.5 years at a minimum and see no recession, which I think we're on the cusp of. If one doesn't start this year I'd be shocked.
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                                • d2bets
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 39995

                                  #13526
                                  Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                  Regarding the S&P 500 p/e ratio, we're not, but we're not off by much. We're in the mid-20s now, in the upper 20s in 2000, and that was still enough for a short, mild recession to cut the S&P 500 in half. If earnings drop a little bit we can be back to where we were in 2000.

                                  Other indicators, like bullish % or % of stocks above their 50 & 200-day moving averages are at overbought levels, levels where you get trend reversals that last months.



                                  We'll start with government tax receipts. Every time it crashes to -5 or more year over year (the red horizontal line), it coincides with a recession. We are there now.



                                  Permanent job losers are creeping up again, up to almost 19. We're higher than we were in February 2000 (a recession began in March) and September 2007 ( a recession began in December)



                                  Banks needing help is going parabolic



                                  Real GDI is negative year over year. Every other time this has happened since WWII, we've had a recession.



                                  M2 is negative year over year. This is the 5th time this has happened since the Civil War. In other instances, it coincided with either panics or depressions.



                                  The yield curve has been inverted for over a year and in terms of the ratio of the inversion, it's never been more inverted. In terms of basis points it's the most inverted in roughly 40 years. Core PCE was up .3% month over month. I know annualizing 1 month's worth of data isn't a great idea, but it would be 3.6% annualized. The past 6 months of core PCE is 4.8% annualized, and the Fed wants us at 2%. I seriously doubt the Fed will be cutting rates this year, meaning we would have to be inverted for 1.5 years at a minimum and see no recession, which I think we're on the cusp of. If one doesn't start this year I'd be shocked.
                                  Yeah, but what do all of those charts have in common? Crazy spikes up and down coinciding with covid stuff. There is no analogy to that, so you can't look at direction. I think it's just a lot of noise. And you're citing percentage changes that are skewed with that. I'd say be careful if you're just trying to find something to support what you wanted to find. Just a little too creative here IMO. But we'll see. There is still room for the Fed to screw this up.
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                                  • guitarjosh
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 12-25-07
                                    • 5784

                                    #13527
                                    Originally posted by d2bets
                                    Yeah, but what do all of those charts have in common? Crazy spikes up and down coinciding with covid stuff. There is no analogy to that, so you can't look at direction. I think it's just a lot of noise. And you're citing percentage changes that are skewed with that. I'd say be careful if you're just trying to find something to support what you wanted to find. Just a little too creative here IMO. But we'll see. There is still room for the Fed to screw this up.
                                    4 out of 5 charts I posted are year over year, so they would exclude most of the Covid stuff. Being careful about trying to find stuff to support what you want to find is a 2-way street.
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                                    • Slurry Pumper
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 06-18-18
                                      • 2811

                                      #13528
                                      Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                      4 out of 5 charts I posted are year over year, so they would exclude most of the Covid stuff. Being careful about trying to find stuff to support what you want to find is a 2-way street.
                                      I'm right with ya guitarjosh. Early this year I was buying PUTS to expire in late December. Needless to say that was not the right move and I had to get out of that position with about a 40% loss before I got on the Long train. As of now starting this week, I'm back on the Puts train. Slowly at first, but as the end of the month wears on and August hits, I'll be adding to the position. I used to call this the steel Ibeam pattern, which is where the big money takes out their cash as the retailer gets in. I think I saw a graphic where we are in the extreme greed zone for stock buying. That and a bunch of other stuff I look at are telling me to take profits now and hang on for the catalyst. I think that catalyst will be the collapse of Ukraine. No one reports on it yet but they are barely hanging on there with Russia in full control and no desire to negotiate now that they have all the cards on their side. Don't forget the announcement of the BRICS currency is coming later in August. Add it all up and you got a few good reasons to at the very least take a little profit here if you have long positions that have profits.
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                                      • trobin31
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 01-09-14
                                        • 9853

                                        #13529
                                        I keep adding PYPL on every dip…this is going to $100 once we break $80
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                                        • homie1975
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-24-13
                                          • 15452

                                          #13530
                                          Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                          4 out of 5 charts I posted are year over year, so they would exclude most of the Covid stuff. Being careful about trying to find stuff to support what you want to find is a 2-way street.
                                          i agree.
                                          but i have also picked up that you and Slurry both of right leans politically.

                                          you want to be careful about that also.

                                          you might dislike the guy in the WH right right or the "woke lefties" but you have to be careful about letting it color your world.

                                          nearly everyone i read online and in my circle of friends, thought the market was going to tank this year "Winter is Coming" etc etc etc.

                                          i held my nose and ignored the noise and last year i bought the big drops in march, june, sept, and december. every quarter.

                                          it is documented right in this thread.

                                          this market, barring some major cataclysmic event, is going north the remainder of the year.
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                                          • Madison
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 09-16-11
                                            • 6442

                                            #13531
                                            Originally posted by trobin31
                                            I keep adding PYPL on every dip…this is going to $100 once we break $80
                                            Where you been pal. Nice pick a week ago (PYPL).

                                            I've been in IONQ, SOFI, LAZR, JOBY, etc. Money to be made "Until it isn't" :
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                                            • Madison
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-16-11
                                              • 6442

                                              #13532
                                              Originally posted by homie1975
                                              i agree.
                                              but i have also picked up that you and Slurry both of right leans politically.

                                              you want to be careful about that also.

                                              you might dislike the guy in the WH right right or the "woke lefties" but you have to be careful about letting it color your world.

                                              nearly everyone i read online and in my circle of friends, thought the market was going to tank this year "Winter is Coming" etc etc etc.

                                              i held my nose and ignored the noise and last year i bought the big drops in march, june, sept, and december. every quarter.

                                              it is documented right in this thread.

                                              this market, barring some major cataclysmic event, is going north the remainder of the year.
                                              While I've ridden the majority of the ride with you it's time to take a little of the table. I followed my own advice a week 10 days ago and lost a little off. I'm in prime position here to take advantage of a dip. Just thinking higher and higher is awaiting a fall.

                                              BOL to all!!
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                                              • Madison
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-16-11
                                                • 6442

                                                #13533
                                                Originally posted by homie1975
                                                i agree.
                                                but i have also picked up that you and Slurry both of right leans politically.

                                                you want to be careful about that also.

                                                you might dislike the guy in the WH right right or the "woke lefties" but you have to be careful about letting it color your world.

                                                nearly everyone i read online and in my circle of friends, thought the market was going to tank this year "Winter is Coming" etc etc etc.

                                                i held my nose and ignored the noise and last year i bought the big drops in march, june, sept, and december. every quarter.

                                                it is documented right in this thread.

                                                this market, barring some major cataclysmic event, is going north the remainder of the year.
                                                I kind of disagree, however listening to your friends / etc is a receipt for disaster. Do as you see and live or die with it. BOL Bud!
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                                                • homie1975
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 12-24-13
                                                  • 15452

                                                  #13534
                                                  Originally posted by Madison
                                                  While I've ridden the majority of the ride with you it's time to take a little of the table. I followed my own advice a week 10 days ago and lost a little off. I'm in prime position here to take advantage of a dip. Just thinking higher and higher is awaiting a fall.

                                                  BOL to all!!
                                                  new highs beget more highs. it has been backtested. cannot time it. not even milwaukee mike :-)
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                                                  • guitarjosh
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-25-07
                                                    • 5784

                                                    #13535
                                                    Originally posted by homie1975
                                                    i agree.
                                                    but i have also picked up that you and Slurry both of right leans politically.

                                                    you want to be careful about that also.

                                                    you might dislike the guy in the WH right right or the "woke lefties" but you have to be careful about letting it color your world.

                                                    nearly everyone i read online and in my circle of friends, thought the market was going to tank this year "Winter is Coming" etc etc etc.

                                                    i held my nose and ignored the noise and last year i bought the big drops in march, june, sept, and december. every quarter.

                                                    it is documented right in this thread.

                                                    this market, barring some major cataclysmic event, is going north the remainder of the year.
                                                    Have you picked up d2bets leans left? Did you see the graphs I posted on this page? You do realize the yield curve has been inverted over 1 year, right? This has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with the numbers.
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                                                    • trobin31
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 01-09-14
                                                      • 9853

                                                      #13536
                                                      Originally posted by Madison
                                                      Where you been pal. Nice pick a week ago (PYPL).

                                                      I've been in IONQ, SOFI, LAZR, JOBY, etc. Money to be made "Until it isn't" :
                                                      I moved to panhandle of Florida and have been having a great time.

                                                      im starting to get back into trading slowly but surely.

                                                      picked up SENS today…chart looks good and I really can’t for the life of me understand why it’s so cheap

                                                      $1.5c Jan 2025
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                                                      • d2bets
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 08-10-05
                                                        • 39995

                                                        #13537
                                                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                        Have you picked up d2bets leans left? Did you see the graphs I posted on this page? You do realize the yield curve has been inverted over 1 year, right? This has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with the numbers.
                                                        I was bearish (much too early and well into the Biden Admin) and turned bullish summer 2022. I actually timed that part right. I don't mix politics and finance. Frankly, the two have very very little to do with each other, despite all the credit and blame giving.
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                                                        • d2bets
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 08-10-05
                                                          • 39995

                                                          #13538
                                                          Anyone have T or VZ? I don't, but the move down lately is pretty crazy. I kind of know what's going on, but is it overblown? The dividends now are quite high, although I imagine many owned before for the dividends and are none too happy about now. Id this a buy cheap and hold?
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                                                          • guitarjosh
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 12-25-07
                                                            • 5784

                                                            #13539
                                                            Originally posted by d2bets
                                                            I was bearish (much too early and well into the Biden Admin) and turned bullish summer 2022. I actually timed that part right. I don't mix politics and finance. Frankly, the two have very very little to do with each other, despite all the credit and blame giving.
                                                            I was a raging bull through all of 2021 and didn't turn bearish on the economy until the past few months. I don't understand how anyone can look at the graphs I posted above + a yield curve that has been extremely inverted over a year and not see a problem. My issue with the stock market is that we're at levels that usually precede a reversal. The bullish % on the S&P 500 closed today at 78.2%, and on the Nasdaq 100 is 80. 84% of the stocks on the Nasdaq 100 are above their 50-day moving averages, and 81% are above their 200-day moving averages. When you get all that at over 75, it's at best going to go sideways for a while, but more likely fall.
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                                                            • d2bets
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 08-10-05
                                                              • 39995

                                                              #13540
                                                              Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                              I was a raging bull through all of 2021 and didn't turn bearish on the economy until the past few months. I don't understand how anyone can look at the graphs I posted above + a yield curve that has been extremely inverted over a year and not see a problem. My issue with the stock market is that we're at levels that usually precede a reversal. The bullish % on the S&P 500 closed today at 78.2%, and on the Nasdaq 100 is 80. 84% of the stocks on the Nasdaq 100 are above their 50-day moving averages, and 81% are above their 200-day moving averages. When you get all that at over 75, it's at best going to go sideways for a while, but more likely fall.
                                                              OK, we'll see. You may be right, nothing is 100% for certain. There's two sides to every coin.
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                                                              • Slurry Pumper
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 06-18-18
                                                                • 2811

                                                                #13541
                                                                On turn around Tuesday I'm starting to slowly build my long term (Jan 24ish) Put position, while continuing to buy short term ( This Friday) calls in all the indices. After BkofAma and JPM report this morning I'll be looking to load up on the PUTS in the banks as well. Kind lof mixed bag for me, but several index funds are at an "important spot", above and I'll place more on the long side, below, and I'll hang onto more short positions and wait for another important spot to add or switch back to long.
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                                                                • astrobloke
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-17-10
                                                                  • 1928

                                                                  #13542
                                                                  wait till wall st finds out about Pfizer and Moderna toxic poison kill shots.

                                                                  already making money on those PUTS. OTM.

                                                                  and yes to do well you have to be ahead of the curve and others.

                                                                  Right now people still think "vaccines" are great and even taking their kids in to get the 8th shot.

                                                                  BIG mistake.

                                                                  watch what happens. :-0
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                                                                  • astrobloke
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-17-10
                                                                    • 1928

                                                                    #13543
                                                                    keep pushing it higher,

                                                                    have a look.

                                                                    95% of people are making a big mistake.

                                                                    He will huff and he will puff and blow the house down!

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                                                                    • d2bets
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                                      • 39995

                                                                      #13544
                                                                      Originally posted by astrobloke
                                                                      wait till wall st finds out about Pfizer and Moderna toxic poison kill shots.

                                                                      already making money on those PUTS. OTM.

                                                                      and yes to do well you have to be ahead of the curve and others.

                                                                      Right now people still think "vaccines" are great and even taking their kids in to get the 8th shot.

                                                                      BIG mistake.

                                                                      watch what happens. :-0
                                                                      How long until they "find out"? You still going to be singing that next year, 3 years from now, 10 years from? "You just wait".
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                                                                      • astrobloke
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 09-17-10
                                                                        • 1928

                                                                        #13545
                                                                        we are 81.... and all of a sudden people are bullish. UH OH!.....


                                                                        Originally posted by astrobloke
                                                                        keep pushing it higher,

                                                                        have a look.

                                                                        95% of people are making a big mistake.

                                                                        He will huff and he will puff and blow the house down!

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