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  • 2daBank
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-26-09
    • 88966

    #1
    NCAA hoops 2/12 discussion thread
    Sorry I didn't do a Sunday thread, went out Saturday night and got pretty smashed! Can't recover like I used to and just couldn't bring myself to look at numbers or contribute anything of value.


    Tcu/wvu over 153.5.. think the big drop in total has created a little value here. They hit 155 the 1st meeting at tcu in a game wvu shot 37% from inside the arc and 26% from deep. I think it very reasonable to expect wvu to shoot at a much better clip at home vs a tcu defense that 283rd in the country in effective fg percentage against. Wvu still scored 73 in that game on the strength of 17 offensive boards leading to taking 16 more shots than tcu. Both got more than 33% of their misses in that game and I'd expect more of the same here. They took a combined 55 fts in the 1st meeting and that another thing that should repeat itself as wvu allows more fts than damn near everyone in the country (335th I believe), tcu doesn't allow them at that clip but in conf play they have not been good in this area either.

    Horned frogs have lowest turnover percentage in big-12, when you don't turn it over vs wvu the chances of getting a good look or fouled are very high. Tcu scored 82 in that 1st meeting shooting below their season averages from behind and inside the arc and also turning it over more than they typically do. Give wvu some credit for that but don't expect the numbers to be much worse in this one on the road. Fully expect tcu to once again at least approach 80, kp projection has them with 79 and think that pretty fair expectation. Where I think the scoring be higher is I fully expect wvu to shoot better at home and increase their scoring output from 73 to low 80s. Not sure why this been bet down so heavily but I think the opener of 160 was much more accurate than where it sits now.

    Look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on anything ya'll like, questions, whatever.
  • GT21Megatron
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-20-13
    • 10818

    #2
    WVU line makes no sense
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    • SBR Tony
      Moderator
      • 01-31-18
      • 3934

      #3
      almost started yesterday's thread but when I didn't see you on, I figured you took the day off.

      good luck with you action
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      • 2daBank
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-26-09
        • 88966

        #4
        Originally posted by SBR Tony
        almost started yesterday's thread but when I didn't see you on, I figured you took the day off.

        good luck with you action
        Yea man I was just super hung over and could never get myself to do it. I tried once or twice and just made my head spin, just can't handle partying like I used to! Lol.

        If that happens by all means feel free to start the discussion thread. Doesn't hurt my feelings any.
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        • teecee
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-18-09
          • 6298

          #5
          UNC line makes no sense. Won by 1 @ ND and now they're a 10 1/2 pt favorite. 3 games in 5 days. Can't defend the perimeter where ND excels.

          Took
          ND +10 1/2
          Baylor +3
          ETSU +108
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          • 2daBank
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 01-26-09
            • 88966

            #6
            Originally posted by GT21Megatron
            WVU line makes no sense
            In what sense does it not make sense?
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            • 2daBank
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-26-09
              • 88966

              #7
              Originally posted by teecee
              UNC line makes no sense. Won by 1 @ ND and now they're a 10 1/2 pt favorite. 3 games in 5 days. Can't defend the perimeter where ND excels.

              Took
              ND +10 1/2
              Baylor +3
              ETSU +108
              Yea someone brought up Saturday how this was unc toughest scheduling spot on the season. Now that Farrell healthy again w few games under his belt this line seems way high. 2 things that happened 1st game you would expect to carry over is nd shooting really well from behind arc and getting to of offensive rebounds. I think unc much prefers up and down games as well and struggles at times with these teams like nd who take the air out the ball. I'm gonna be joining you here.

              Can't get behind Baylor tho. In this home dominated conf seems really unlikely Baylor wins a second straight road game and Texas losing 2nd straight at home. Just never expect that in big-12
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              • SBR Tony
                Moderator
                • 01-31-18
                • 3934

                #8
                Originally posted by GT21Megatron
                WVU line makes no sense
                it does look a little off because of the way they have been playing lately, but TCU isn't much better and WVU normally owns them
                they have beaten them 14 out of 15 times

                the last 3 meeting in Morgantown WVU were 13, 15.5 and 17.5 point favorites
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                • 2daBank
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 01-26-09
                  • 88966

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SBR Tony
                  it does look a little off because of the way they have been playing lately, but TCU isn't much better and WVU normally owns them
                  they have beaten them 14 out of 15 times

                  the last 3 meeting in Morgantown WVU were 13, 15.5 and 17.5 point favorites
                  Tcu does have few conf road wins but I almost never bet road teams in big-12. I do hope it close enough we get the foul game if we need it for the over!!
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                  • survive
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-08-11
                    • 2388

                    #10
                    Nd +6 1h for me so far
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                    • t-wizzle
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 12-18-09
                      • 38099

                      #11
                      TCU will probably lose by right around 8. Likely will be determined by late free throws.
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                      • 2daBank
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 01-26-09
                        • 88966

                        #12
                        Under might be the way to go in Texas opposed to a side.
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                        • KRIT
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-11-14
                          • 12878

                          #13
                          TCU doesn't turn the ball over but think this is a bounce back spot for WVU.
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                          • 2daBank
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 01-26-09
                            • 88966

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KRIT
                            TCU doesn't turn the ball over but think this is a bounce back spot for WVU.
                            Yea I agree I think wvu wins. Like the over a lot better than either side ats tho.
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #15
                              Good god, check out samfords defensive numbers! Mercer's are pretty awful too but I guess the big question here is pace? That a really high total for Mercer who plays really slow, they have only topped that total 3 of 12 conf games but those 3 came in last 5 contest.

                              Samford on other hand plays pretty fast and last 6 in a row have flew over this number! The 1st meeting stayed well under but Mercer did score 82, problem was Bulldogs only scored 50. Spread being so short after Mercer won by 30 the 1st time would lead me to believe Samford gonna score significantly more this time around cause obviously it not their defense that gonna keep them in this game!!

                              I rarely play a over with such a high number and pretty bad teams. This one kinda interesting to me but really not sure if offenses can be trusted and maybe more importantly pace seems really hard to nail down with such drastic differences between the 2. I normally lean to the slower paced team dictating but less so on the road and also when they facing such a poor defensive team sometimes that provokes teams to play faster when such easy looks available early in clock.

                              Anyone have any thoughts here?
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                              • huskers22
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 01-04-09
                                • 151

                                #16
                                I like Mercer -4 if anything. Bad matchup for Samford. They are undersized and the first meeting they were out rebounded by like 45 to 20.
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                                • 2daBank
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-26-09
                                  • 88966

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by huskers22
                                  I like Mercer -4 if anything. Bad matchup for Samford. They are undersized and the first meeting they were out rebounded by like 45 to 20.
                                  Mercer not exactly big, they have one 6'8 guy and one 6'9. They certainly better rebounding team but not as if they towering over samford players. 31 point victory now only laying 4? No way would I touch that, more times than not those don't cash. Over or nothing for me.
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                                  • element113xx
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 12-31-17
                                    • 463

                                    #18
                                    You guys don't know shit
                                    Stop while your ahead
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                                    • bballs84
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 11-11-09
                                      • 5461

                                      #19
                                      ND looks like a good play
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                                      • Kizman
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 02-10-18
                                        • 27

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by bballs84
                                        ND looks like a good play
                                        Good luck today...I personally already played UNC lite...I would think ND first half would be a good idea...but I feel UNC is dangerous and the second half they could pull away...

                                        Bank...Good Luck with your over in TCU game..
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                                        • 2daBank
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 01-26-09
                                          • 88966

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Kizman
                                          Good luck today...I personally already played UNC lite...I would think ND first half would be a good idea...but I feel UNC is dangerous and the second half they could pull away...

                                          Bank...Good Luck with your over in TCU game..
                                          They certainly could but when Irish playing their game they a tough team to run out of the gym. Remember their only 2 losses I recall this season by double digits was against puke where Farrell didn't play and ncst which was his 1st game back. Injuries have really killed nd this season, they looked really strong early at the tourney in Hawaii. Then Colson got hurt, then Farrell got hurt, then that freshman Harvey who was taking lot of colson's minutes got hurt! Then Farrell came back and got hurt again!! While the other 2 are more dynamic scorers Ferrell really the most import piece for this team imo. I remember back during that Hawaii tourney talking bout how lost ND looked when Farrell was off the court, they need him to run the offense.
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                                          • 2daBank
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-26-09
                                            • 88966

                                            #22
                                            My full card


                                            Tcu/wvu over 153.5
                                            Irish +10.5
                                            Mercer/samford over 154
                                            Baylor/Texas under 133

                                            Lean Texas as well but try to stay away from side and total in same game.. gl and thanks to everyone who contributed.
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                                            • pilebuck13
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 05-15-15
                                              • 17918

                                              #23
                                              No one on Siena huh...I’ll take the points
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                                              • 2daBank
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 01-26-09
                                                • 88966

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pilebuck13
                                                No one on Siena huh...I’ll take the points
                                                I think that prob the right side. Gl buddy
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                                                • survive
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-08-11
                                                  • 2388

                                                  #25
                                                  Farrell looks like he’s playing drunk...almost cost me that first half cover!
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                                                  • RangeFinder
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 10-27-16
                                                    • 8041

                                                    #26
                                                    Still money coming in on Under 153 which to me is unreal (Speaking of TCU-WV)

                                                    If it clicks to 152 I'm on the Over
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                                                    • GT21Megatron
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-20-13
                                                      • 10818

                                                      #27
                                                      I want to play TCU so bad....the line got me shook
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                                                      • bballs84
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-11-09
                                                        • 5461

                                                        #28
                                                        I’m only gonna bet 1H from now on.. This stuff amazing.. Tired of covering all game to piss away games at end
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                                                        • pilebuck13
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-15-15
                                                          • 17918

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by bballs84
                                                          I’m only gonna bet 1H from now on.. This stuff amazing.. Tired of covering all game to piss away games at end
                                                          Idk man how about making second half bets...if your referring to unc Notre dame the halftime stats showed unc was most dominant...live by the 3 die by it..precisely what nd is doing
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                                                          • bballs84
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 11-11-09
                                                            • 5461

                                                            #30
                                                            Unc worst perimeter D in nation.. 67-63 with 5:30 left and then don’t score again til 1 min mark.. Some bad luck if you ask me
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                                                            • pilebuck13
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 05-15-15
                                                              • 17918

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by bballs84
                                                              Unc worst perimeter D in nation.. 67-63 with 5:30 left and then don’t score again til 1 min mark.. Some bad luck if you ask me
                                                              They got cold and couldn’t get a offensive rebound were out rebounded bad
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                                                              • bballs84
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-11-09
                                                                • 5461

                                                                #32
                                                                Ya 3 straight missed Fts then quit
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                                                                • pilebuck13
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 05-15-15
                                                                  • 17918

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by bballs84
                                                                  Ya 3 straight missed Fts then quit
                                                                  That was insane...really strange
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                                                                  • survive
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-08-11
                                                                    • 2388

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by bballs84
                                                                    I’m only gonna bet 1H from now on.. This stuff amazing.. Tired of covering all game to piss away games at end
                                                                    I pretty much exclusively bet road dogs 1h. Seems like the home team usually goes on a little 2h run and the crowd gets into it then the road team gives up pretty frequently. Also don’t have to worry about late game fouling
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                                                                    • Plaza23
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 12-29-13
                                                                      • 7392

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Colgate was up 63-54 with 40 seconds left and LOST.

                                                                      Horrific beat. Had them live at -369. 99.9% win probability.

                                                                      Play-by-play action for the Bucknell Bison vs. Colgate Raiders NCAAM game from February 12, 2018 on ESPN.
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