2018 Hall of Fame - Who you got?

stevenash · 01-23-18, 11:52 AM

What the hell is Brad Lidge doing on this ballot?

Here's your stats.

				Batting Stats									Pitching Stats
Rk	Name	YoB	% of Ballots	G	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	SB	BA	OBP	W	L	ERA	WHIP	SV	SO
1	Trevor Hoffman	3rd	74.00%	1007	34	1	4	0	5	0	0.118	0.118	61	75	2.87	1.058	601	1133
2	Vladimir Guerrero	2nd	71.70%	2147	8155	1328	2590	449	1496	181	0.318	0.379
3	Edgar Martinez	9th	58.60%	2055	7213	1219	2247	309	1261	49	0.312	0.418
4	Roger Clemens	6th	54.10%	95	179	5	31	0	12	0	0.173	0.236	354	184	3.12	1.173	0	4672
5	Barry Bonds	6th	53.80%	2986	9847	2227	2935	762	1996	514	0.298	0.444
6	Mike Mussina	5th	51.80%	22	52	3	9	0	5	0	0.173	0.189	270	153	3.68	1.192	0	2813
7	Curt Schilling	6th	45.00%	402	773	39	117	0	29	1	0.151	0.178	216	146	3.46	1.137	22	3116
8	Manny Ramirez	2nd	23.80%	2302	8244	1544	2574	555	1831	38	0.312	0.411
9	Larry Walker	8th	21.90%	1988	6907	1355	2160	383	1311	230	0.313	0.4
10	Fred McGriff	9th	21.70%	2460	8757	1349	2490	493	1550	72	0.284	0.377
11	Jeff Kent	5th	16.70%	2298	8498	1320	2461	377	1518	94	0.29	0.356
12	Gary Sheffield	4th	13.30%	2576	9217	1636	2689	509	1676	253	0.292	0.393
13	Billy Wagner	3rd	10.20%	810	20	1	2	0	1	0	0.1	0.143	47	40	2.31	0.998	422	1196
14	Sammy Sosa	6th	8.60%	2354	8813	1475	2408	609	1667	234	0.273	0.344
15	Chipper Jones	1st		2499	8984	1619	2726	468	1623	150	0.303	0.401
16	Jim Thome	1st		2543	8422	1583	2328	612	1699	19	0.276	0.402
17	Scott Rolen	1st		2038	7398	1211	2077	316	1287	118	0.281	0.364
18	Andruw Jones	1st		2196	7599	1204	1933	434	1289	152	0.254	0.337
19	Johan Santana	1st		117	248	11	40	1	9	0	0.161	0.191	139	78	3.2	1.132	1	1988
20	Johnny Damon	1st		2490	9736	1668	2769	235	1139	408	0.284	0.352
21	Carlos Zambrano	1st		365	693	75	165	24	71	1	0.238	0.248	132	91	3.66	1.331	0	1637
22	Jamie Moyer	1st		236	400	24	51	0	15	0	0.128	0.199	269	209	4.25	1.322	0	2441
23	Omar Vizquel	1st		2968	10586	1445	2877	80	951	404	0.272	0.336
24	Chris Carpenter	1st		196	439	18	52	2	21	0	0.118	0.145	144	94	3.76	1.276	0	1697
25	Livan Hernandez	1st		491	973	64	215	10	85	0	0.221	0.231	178	177	4.44	1.44	1	1976
26	Orlando Hudson	1st		1345	4825	648	1319	93	542	85	0.273	0.341
27	Kevin Millwood	1st		241	472	22	57	4	27	0	0.121	0.158	169	152	4.11	1.328	0	2083
28	Kerry Wood	1st		341	346	23	59	7	32	0	0.171	0.196	86	75	3.67	1.267	63	1582
29	Carlos Lee	1st		2099	7983	1125	2273	358	1363	125	0.285	0.339
30	Aubrey Huff	1st		1681	6104	806	1699	242	904	37	0.278	0.342
31	Hideki Matsui	1st		1236	4442	656	1253	175	760	13	0.282	0.36
32	Jason Isringhausen	1st		500	104	11	21	2	16	0	0.202	0.241	51	55	3.64	1.328	300	830
33	Brad Lidge	1st		578	7	0	2	0	2	0	0.286	0.286	26	32	3.54	1.291	225	799

stevenash · 01-23-18, 12:01 PM

My 10

Hoffman
Edgar
Vlad
Moose
Thome
Chipper
Schilling (I hate the prick, but he is deserving)
Kent

Final 2 picks - OK I give in, I'll ignore the steroids
Bonds
Clemens

Matsui was so clutch but he won't sniff the Hall

slambam · 01-23-18, 12:02 PM

I think 10 is way too many. I pick...

Hoffman
Vlad
Chipper

Johan and Thome are close. Screw the PED users. I don't get the hype for Edgar Martinez. A few guys I never woulda thought made this list (Zambrano, Huff, Millwood, Lidge)

jjgold · 01-23-18, 12:12 PM

So many hackers

Hall meaningless now

Bonds
Clemens

stevenash · 01-23-18, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by slambam

I think 10 is way too many. I pick...

Hoffman
Vlad
Chipper

Johan and Thome are close. Screw the PED users. I don't get the hype for Edgar Martinez. A few guys I never woulda thought made this list (Zambrano, Huff, Millwood, Lidge)

Yes, Edgar was pretty much a DH most of his career, but he played a lot of 3B in the beginning of his career.
He is the greatest DH in the history of the game, you want to throw Papi in the mix I won't argue.
Edgar was the elite DH of his generation.
His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame 3B men.
His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame hitters.

Depending on what metrics you use he was between the top 30 to 40 hitters of all time.
I'm not a big fan of DH's going to the Hall, but Edgar was a rare hitter, and he and Griffey put Seattle on the map.

PLAYER	CAREER WAR	PEAK WAR	JAWS	HITS	HR	SB	AVG/OBP/SLG	OPS+
Edgar Martinez	68.3	43.6	56.0	2,247	309	49	.312/.418/.515	147
Avg. HOF 3B	67.5	42.8	55.2
Avg. HOF CI	66.4	42.6	54.5
Avg. HOF hitter	67.0	42.2	54.6

As clutch as Carter was. No debate

funnyb25 · 01-23-18, 01:14 PM

Hoff and Chipper auto's

slambam · 01-23-18, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Yes, Edgar was pretty much a DH most of his career, but he played a lot of 3B in the beginning of his career.
He is the greatest DH in the history of the game, you want to throw Papi in the mix I won't argue.
Edgar was the elite DH of his generation.
His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame 3B men.
His career numbers are equal to or greater than all the Hall of Fame hitters.

Depending on what metrics you use he was between the top 30 to 40 hitters of all time.
I'm not a big fan of DH's going to the Hall, but Edgar was a rare hitter, and he and Griffey put Seattle on the map.

PLAYER	CAREER WAR	PEAK WAR	JAWS	HITS	HR	SB	AVG/OBP/SLG	OPS+
Edgar Martinez	68.3	43.6	56.0	2,247	309	49	.312/.418/.515	147
Avg. HOF 3B	67.5	42.8	55.2
Avg. HOF CI	66.4	42.6	54.5
Avg. HOF hitter	67.0	42.2	54.6

As clutch as Carter was. No debate

Yea, maybe I'm just not old enough. I didn't get to see him in his prime, but looking at his numbers they don't stick out at me as great. Curious what your thoughts are on Scott Rolen? Looking back I never thought of him as a HOFer when he played. Very good, but not HOF caliber. Comparing numbers, his are very comparable to Edgar - Edgar was a bit better in hits/average/obp/ops, but Rolen is very close or ahead of him in just about every other offensive category, plus Rolen is arguably one of the best 3rd basemen defensively if his generation (if not longer). Honestly I think that's part of the reason I don't see it with Edgar. Just seems like he's Rolen plus more singles and walks, minus SBs and all-world defense.

Regul8er · 01-23-18, 02:27 PM

Ive gotta think Vlad and Hoffman are sure fire this year...........I would also give the nod to Chipper, with Thome just missing the cut, and likely getting in a couple years. I think Edgar will eventually get there, but he has alot of momentum he needs to catch over the next handful of years.

stevenash · 01-23-18, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by slambam

Yea, maybe I'm just not old enough. I didn't get to see him in his prime, but looking at his numbers they don't stick out at me as great. Curious what your thoughts are on Scott Rolen? Looking back I never thought of him as a HOFer when he played. Very good, but not HOF caliber. Comparing numbers, his are very comparable to Edgar - Edgar was a bit better in hits/average/obp/ops, but Rolen is very close or ahead of him in just about every other offensive category, plus Rolen is arguably one of the best 3rd basemen defensively if his generation (if not longer). Honestly I think that's part of the reason I don't see it with Edgar. Just seems like he's Rolen plus more singles and walks, minus SBs and all-world defense.

Totally respected Rolen's glove, borderline.
And yes, I think more attention should be paid toward defense.

Now, take a look at Larry Walker's career. compare it to Rolen, who you got?
He's won gold gloves and from 1997-2000 those were monster numbers.
You can counter that with "yeah, but he played half those games at Coor's"
But still

cincinnatikid513 · 01-23-18, 07:12 PM

take the 5 best

bonds
clemons
hoffman
chipper jones
thome

ticklemepink1991 · 01-23-18, 07:51 PM

Edgar and vlad for me I hope

I love me some Edgar

RudyRuetigger · 01-23-18, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

take the 5 best

bonds
clemons
hoffman
chipper jones
thome

ill take first 4 listed

cincinnatikid513 · 01-23-18, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

ill take first 4 listed

jim thome had over 600 home runs and he's a class guy he will be a 1st ballot HOFer

jjgold · 01-23-18, 08:18 PM

Thome does not belong in

Close Down the hall

19th Hole · 01-23-18, 08:30 PM

Vote totals of the 13 MLB.com writers
With 75 percent of the vote needed for entry to the Hall, Bonds, Clemens, Guerrero, Jones, Thome, Martinez and Mussina received enough support -- appearing on a minimum of 10 of the 13 ballots -- from MLB.com writers, with Walker and Hoffman knocking at the door.
1. (tie) Vladimir Guerrero: 13
1. (tie) Chipper Jones: 13
1. (tie) Jim Thome: 13
4. (tie) Barry Bonds: 12
4. (tie) Roger Clemens: 12
6. (tie) Edgar Martinez: 10
6. (tie) Mike Mussina: 10
8. Larry Walker: 9
9. Trevor Hoffman: 8
10. Curt Schilling: 7
11. (tie) Scott Rolen: 4
11. (tie) Omar Vizquel: 4
13. (tie) Manny Ramirez: 2
13. (tie) Billy Wagner: 2
15. (tie) Jeff Kent: 1
15. (tie) Gary Sheffield: 1

slambam · 01-23-18, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Totally respected Rolen's glove, borderline.
And yes, I think more attention should be paid toward defense.

Now, take a look at Larry Walker's career. compare it to Rolen, who you got?
He's won gold gloves and from 1997-2000 those were monster numbers.
You can counter that with "yeah, but he played half those games at Coor's"
But still

Yea the great Coors debate. That doesn't really effect my opinion very much. I do like Walker. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets in some day. Really, looking back on his stats - his last 2 years in Montreal and his first 2 with Colorado were pretty similar, then he just went one another planet. His stretch from 1997-2002 was ridiculous. I also never really realized he stole 230 bags in his career. Looking deeper into his numbers, he really probably does deserve it. He's also a guy that never really had much protection in the order, whereas Edgar and Rolen spent time hitting around 1st ballot guys in Griffey and Pujols, and "Hall of the Very Good" guys like Buhner and Edmonds. So many ways to look at players and compare. If Walker put up those numbers with a team like the Yanks and won a WS or two, he's probably in for sure.

Ratpack · 01-23-18, 11:47 PM

andruw jones should get in eventually 10 gold gloves plus 350 hrs the best center fielder of this generation

cincinnatikid513 · 01-23-18, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Thome does not belong in

Close Down the hall

One of the game's most consistent and fearsome power hitters over a 22-year career, Jim Thome will coast into the Hall of Fame.

With Thome eligible for the Hall of Fame for the first time, there's little doubt he's going to get his bronze plaque, even with a crowd atop the ballot that includes another likely first-year honoree (Chipper Jones) and two returning candidates who missed by just a handful of votes last year (Trevor Hoffman and Vlad Guerrero). Unblemished by controversy, Thome’s accomplishments certainly merit enshrinement, and there's every reason to expect he'll be in Cooperstown next summer.

cincinnatikid513 · 01-24-18, 06:06 PM

hall of fame vote coming up soon mlb network will bonds clemens get in

cincinnatikid513 · 01-24-18, 06:20 PM

chipper jones in
vladimir guerrero in
jim thome in
trevor hoffman in

cincinnatikid513 · 01-24-18, 06:21 PM

no bonds
no clemens

what a joke
edgar martinez close

Sam Losco · 01-24-18, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

no bonds
no clemens

what a joke
edgar martinez close

bunch of fukin idiot voters

funnyb25 · 01-24-18, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by funnyb25

Hoff and Chipper auto's

Well deserved guys!

JMobile · 01-24-18, 06:27 PM

Bout time Hoffman got in. This guy deserve it.

19th Hole · 01-24-18, 06:42 PM

Can't support PED users at any point.

Behemoth Bonds
Cheatin, Lyin' bloody-sock Clemons

stevenash · 01-24-18, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by JMobile

Bout time Hoffman got in. This guy deserve it.

Yes, I thought he was the best closer of this generation not named Mo

stevenash · 01-24-18, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

no bonds
no clemens

what a joke
edgar martinez close

Edgar just missed by a *unt hair

jjgold · 01-24-18, 06:46 PM

Terrible
Class

stevenash · 01-24-18, 06:54 PM

Vlad never met a pitch he didn't like.
This is the one he hit on one hop in the dirt

ticklemepink1991 · 01-24-18, 07:00 PM

bonds and Clemens cheated.. fukk them

they don't deserve to get in

would have made the hall if they didn't cheat, but yet they had to to boost their ego

fukk them I'm glad they aren't getting in

KRIT · 01-24-18, 07:04 PM

I don't get the baseball HOF. Edgar is the best DH of all time, yet writers dog on the position. Why even let in relievers to the hall of fame? If Edgard doesn't make it, then no DH should ever make it. He has one more year, my guess is he probably gets in.

cincinnatikid513 · 01-24-18, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Vlad never met a pitch he didn't like.
This is the one he hit on one hop in the dirt

safe to say vlad would of been one hell of a cricket player, edgar should make it next year

packerd_00 · 01-24-18, 07:13 PM

1)Curt Schilling
2)Larry Walker
3)Sammy Sosa

stevenash · 01-24-18, 07:22 PM

Nice to see my favorite pitcher of all time (Moose) move up.
Anybody who denies just how good Moose was just doesn't get it.

He finished right behind Edgar, good to see the writers finally starting to get it too.

270 and 153 pitching his whole career in the big boy bats division is stupid ridiculous.
1.19 WH/IP for the career is even more stupid ridiculous.
He won double digit games EVERY SEASON he pitched, (rookie year doesn't count, only made 12 starts)
Pitched 17 full seasons and won 10 or more games every year, think about that, pitching his whole career in the AL East.

One advanced scout once said "When Mussina's overhand curve ball is on it's the most devastating pitcn in the game"