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Poker used to be my main reason to stay Pro aside from BTP. The reduced prizes for the dailies will likely be the last straw for me, it's been a great 7 years SBR.Comment -
Poor Bobbo, probably jumped off a bridge. Guys gonna have a hard time grinding the mortgage for his ghetto town shack with the lowered structure. Poor guys gonna be grinding 20 hours plus a month for the equivalent of $40 bucks.
Hope the flipping was worth it.
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I am not going to say anything concerning the Poker promo mainly because SBR doesnt give a damn what I think anyway. But I will comment on the 50 players versus 40 players making the tournaments last 1 hour longer
Currently the tournamennts last around 1:45 minutes. By adding another 10 players (1 table more importantly) will only add around 10-12 minutes to the tournament, sometimes 5 minutes. It has to do with another table losing players at the same rate as would a 4 table or 3 table tournament. The extra 12 minutes ONLY applies to the final table and that is because their are more chips in play. But that is countered by having blinds increase alot at the final table
For example, a live poker tournament with 200 players isnt that much faster than a tournament with 300 players. If the 200 person tournament lasts 9 hours for instance, then the 300 player tournament would only lost maybe 1 hour longer. |I know this because i used to be a tournament director. As long as we played 10 handed versus 9 handed, adding players didnt make a huge difference in terms of overall tournament timeComment -
Thanks for yet another great tournament SBR!Comment -
This is GARBAGE. The net result of this will be less people playing poker (daily and ring games) here and less people going Pro.Don't get me wrong, more points = better. I want as many as possible too, but realistically, you, me and most of the regulars dont really care how many points it is for. We play for fun and glory really.
We will get used to the lower points structure and if less daily points means more cash and ability to offer other prizes it might just turn out to be more popular. I haven't seen the avg daily player numbers grow in years. More cash, less points, more promos might actually work. Less tourney times doesnt really grab me either, but again realistically it's smart to adjust supply when demand isnt as high as it could be.
Let's at least give Drew a bit if encouragement. He's getting stuff done and imagine what it must be like as a new guy wondering what you have walked into making a new promo thread and getting hammered for it! No where else but the SBR poker sub forum do I see this!
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Monday through Friday again. So the same West coast people playing each other at the 11pm Eastern gameComment -
Shari and Optional are right - so many fukking complainers about a fukking FREEROLL that doesn't cost you anything to play besides donating $100 year to charity or renewing your membership with the points you won in the fukking FREEROLL...
There is no gun to your head making you play as everyone can decide if the new formats are worth your time or not. Hell I don't like the daily format (daily tournaments take too long IMO) so I rarely play. If they were turbos I would play. They aren't so.. I don't play.
Options are always a good thing so thanks again SBR for continuing to offer so much back for so little.Last edited by LVHerbie; 01-13-18, 03:00 AM.Comment -
Drew said this would be the BIGGEST and BEST 2018 here at SBR????
People are bitching because it doesn't add up at all.
I could probably turn my BTP points in the sportsbook and make more $ than wasting hours at a table daily.... and getting practically zero for it.
The contest is actually insulting to a degree... that's why you're getting a lot of negative feedback from posters.
But mysteriously.... all 150 spots will be filled daily.
Funny how that works.Comment -
scrap the poker since it is a dying competition anyways(not a sport) and just roll the prizes into the World Cup contest.Comment -
One will not have to play many to make finals therefore I doubt tourneys will be filled. Those that do play will try to get big lead right away or get out. 300 points is worthless with other ways being available.
I'm not playing for 300 points! I will cash in final!
Drew said this would be the BIGGEST and BEST 2018 here at SBR????
People are bitching because it doesn't add up at all.
I could probably turn my BTP points in the sportsbook and make more $ than wasting hours at a table daily.... and getting practically zero for it.
The contest is actually insulting to a degree... that's why you're getting a lot of negative feedback from posters.
But mysteriously.... all 150 spots will be filled daily.
Funny how that works.Comment -
Great to hear from so many of you after the announcement. We posted the first tournament of the year yesterday to provide some disclosure that we in fact are changing the way things are done here...for the better. As some have mentioned previously this Poker event is live for two months...ending during the Final 4 NCAA basketball games just before the NCAA Championship on Monday.
All of the ideas in this thread are read, and most given careful consideration as to the pulse of the community. We here are developing our events catered to the community and are committed to enhancing the experience for the forum members. So lets here more from you guys about ideas to better the events and ..LETS MAKE POKER GREAT AGAIN ...
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A for the pay out structure of the top 8
A for a short promotion
C- for 100 players final , in my opinion , top 15 should make the final tournament.
the payout is fair for the qualifying, reducing the 8000 points for the daily to just 1800 and then shifting the points for a nice payout of the top 100.Last edited by sinmiedo; 01-13-18, 09:24 AM.Comment -
the fact is SBR poker is not about skill, it's about luck and now you're going to need A LOT more of it to win.
people are going to go all-in non-stop.
If you want a real poker tourny with real players you need to up the buy-in significantly.Comment -
Doesn't seem worth playing once you are in the top 100 with the low prizes. I don't blame them though, they r trying to get new people. If they switch it back to the currently daily structure after this ends, that would probably be wise.Comment -
trying to attract new people in a dying competition(poker is shrinking, not an exaggeration) isn't a good business model.
SBR want new people?... there is this thing called E-sports....and guess what... people gamble on it... and it's going make the world of poker look like a bingo hall.
sbr would be a lot bigger if they listened to me like when I offered them to get in on fantasy sports with me... their loss!Comment -
i've been playing the daily tourneys very regularly for the last few months but this new structure makes the effort pretty much pointless....Comment -
Fantastic new contest. Excited for it to begin!!Comment -
The $2000 in cash/bitcoin is worth a bit more than $2000 in Poker points. You don’t have to spend time or pay rake to roll it over... and once you do there will be some people who go straight to the SBR Casino or book paying even more juice. Same with betpoints. They’re worth a little bit more than poker points. There’s still a big difference between promotions, but it’s not $5400.
taking away another tournament is killer for me. This is basically a single guys, college kid, retired dude promotion now. I can get over the payouts reduced but losing a convenient time to play doesn’t make it worth it for me.
And SBR youll have to forgive us poker players from complaining as we get over the initial change. We’ve been getting shit on for years by the government, poker sites, and casinos and always promised things will get better. Rare occurances that it does. Complaining is the only weapon poker players haveComment -
Add to rules: anyone finishing 1st in a daily tournament gets automatic bid to the finals.Comment -
This isn't even worth your time if you're unemployed. You could give plasma oral rake leaves for more.
Please, automatically disqualify me because it's not worth our time. The only reason to play is if you enjoy it, which is great, but it's certainly not for the points or the shot of getting 1stComment -
You something no one takes into account, and many friends and colleagues have taught me, is time.
I can never, nor can you, get time back. You will never be younger than you we now. My time is not worth it though I enjoy the game immensely. I can grind out ignition /bodog/stars /party/carbon and make chedda and enjoy it.
Best off luck to those who grind it out!Comment -
Very true about time being valuable. That is why most people I assume (myself included) when we play SBR poker do other things at the same time. Grind on other sites, surf the net, watch youtube videos - whatever really. That has always been what made it worthwhile - while doing those sorts of activities that I enjoy/would do anyway, adding one table of playing an SBR tournament is no big deal. Otherwise I would agree that no way it's worth the time.Comment -
I don't think it'll take longer for each tournament, you'll have 25 people shoving every hand to either double up or get it out of the way.Comment -
Yes I've taken this route before when I really had other things to do - so doubling up or being out quickly always had merit!
I think many of the complaints in this thread are a bit unfounded - as mentioned earlier for long time poker players here have asked to get the promotions back with a shorter qualifying etc. time, which this does exactly - at the cost of the dailies being less lucrative. So part good, part bad, not necessarily something to immediately shun.
While I feel that's the case, I do have to agree with one general sentiment. That being that SBR had to know this change would not be met with enthusiasm from the player base - after five years or so of having the same daily format, to make it drastically worse in that regard - obviously they had to know that would upset people (whether those posters were justified or not). And that being so, announcing it ahead of time as "what a fantastic 2018 we have in store for you" - well people feeling that they were mislead/that that was simply false hype, can't entirely blame them for that. I agree that the reaction would have been much less harsh if they had simply changed it without an initial announcement or hinted at what was going to actually happen without building up people's hopes (even if unintentionally).Comment -
Yeah well what someone might do with betpoints after they get them is not a part of calculating a payout
As far as the difference between poker points and betpoints + cash, yes there is a small difference because of rollover that I omitted for brevity and clarity but you decided to bring it up so:
Promo final tourney non poker point prizes:
38,200 betpoints + 53,340 betpoints (2,000 in BTC * 26.67) = 91,540
91,540 in poker points requires 3x rollover so 91,540 * 3 = 274,620 rollover
Poker rake is the lesser of 5.26% or $3 per pot. Considering a majority of a player's rollover is in big pots the effective rake is about 2%
.02(2% rake) * 274,620 rollover = 5,492
5,492 / 26.67(points per $1 of BTC) = $206
So yes, the actual amount lost from this promo is about $206 less than $5416 previously posted
206 / 5416 = 3.8%
Going out of your way to correct me for a 3.8% discrepancy due to theoretical rollover rake is strange behavior from someone who insults me for spamming other threads
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No but from perspective of the site paying the prizes, it's still less expensive than paying them straight cash. The chances of the site recouping a percentage of the prize pool are higher with poker points that have to be converted to betpoints which has to be converted to a prize (which we don't even know will be bitcoin). 2% also seems a little generous. Look, I'm not disagreeing with you just believe the $ is worth a lot more than the points. Also, good luck finding someone to roll those points over. If you win a tournament it may take you a month to roll it over. And when did I insult you for spamming threads?Yeah well what someone might do with betpoints after they get them is not a part of calculating a payout
As far as the difference between poker points and betpoints + cash, yes there is a small difference because of rollover that I omitted for brevity and clarity but you decided to bring it up so:
Promo final tourney non poker point prizes:
38,200 betpoints + 53,340 betpoints (2,000 in BTC * 26.67) = 91,540
91,540 in poker points requires 3x rollover so 91,540 * 3 = 274,620 rollover
Poker rake is the lesser of 5.26% or $3 per pot. Considering a majority of a player's rollover is in big pots the effective rake is about 2%
.02(2% rake) * 274,620 rollover = 5,492
5,492 / 26.67(points per $1 of BTC) = $206
So yes, the actual amount lost from this promo is about $206 less than $5416 previously posted
206 / 5416 = 3.8%
Going out of your way to correct me for a 3.8% discrepancy due to theoretical rollover rake is strange behavior from someone who insults me for spamming other threadsComment
