Sportsbooks Have All The Edge

Hman · 12-18-17, 10:13 AM

You make solid points but I would never rely solely on online scoreboards when making live wagers.

Good example would be yesterday when Pittsburgh scored & most boards changed showing the Steelers leading, but then the TD was erased & suddenly their losing again.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:16 AM

Which should void bets taken during that mishap. Its the right thing to do.

2daBank · 12-18-17, 10:19 AM

Dude. Can't believe you would rely on their score to make a bet! Whether what they doing right or wrong you should always expect them to treat you unfairly thus never rely on their score!! Harsh as it sounds man, that a you mistake.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Dude. Can't believe you would rely on their score to make a bet! Whether what they doing right or wrong you should always expect them to treat you unfairly thus never rely on their score!! Harsh as it sounds man, that a you mistake.

But how is it different than them putting out a bad line and people betting on that bad line and then them canceling the wager. I just bet Columbia 2nd half under this week on a line that they said was bad and of course they send a message saying wager cancelled because of bad line. But they can put up bad scores, take bets, correct score and still keep the bet? Thats insane. Thats not my fault, they shouldnt provide a scoreboard if thats the case. The scoreboard is there to follow the game. Should only change scores after the extra point is kicked.

2daBank · 12-18-17, 10:29 AM

Lots of things they do not exactly right man, you know this going in, no way you can be trusting their scores!!

2daBank · 12-18-17, 10:30 AM

If you contacted them immediately after discovering that wasn't the correct score I agree they should void it for you but again no confidence in them doing the right thing.

Optional · 12-18-17, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

But how is it different than them putting out a bad line and people betting on that bad line and then them canceling the wager. I just bet Columbia 2nd half under this week on a line that they said was bad and of course they send a message saying wager cancelled because of bad line. But they can put up bad scores, take bets, correct score and still keep the bet? Thats insane. Thats not my fault, they shouldnt provide a scoreboard if thats the case. The scoreboard is there to follow the game. Should only change scores after the extra point is kicked.

Is there a scoreboard that does not change after a TD is scored? And then back again if it is changed on review?

I think they all work this way.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

If you contacted them immediately after discovering that wasn't the correct score I agree they should void it for you but again no confidence in them doing the right thing.

I did contact them immediately thats when they gave me the copy and paste of their "rules". This was done immediately, all I got was a "Sorry".

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Is there a scoreboard that does not change after a TD is scored? And then back again if it is changed on review?

I think they all work this way.

Thats cool but when that score is incorrect then bets should be voided, its the only logical thing to do.

A4K · 12-18-17, 10:35 AM

I NEVER Live Bet unless I am watching the game on television.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by A4K

I NEVER Live Bet unless I am watching the game on television.

Well the tv said Raiders 13-7 also so...

2daBank · 12-18-17, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by A4K

I NEVER Live Bet unless I am watching the game on television.

I was just thinking same thing. Only instance I can think of I have live bet while not watching was i recall a bowl game around the holidays few years back where I had to go to some engagement and game was a real back and forth shootout and my goal was getting down as many times as I could with plus money on both sides: so let the woman drive and every time someone scored I bet other team again!!

Thinking of that leads me to my next question, wouldn't the odds have changed had they scored? Certainly the odds difference should have been noticeable toler? Right?

2daBank · 12-18-17, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

Well the tv said Raiders 13-7 also so...

Ok but you would have known the situation. Seems like a important thing while making a live bet. Why you live betting them when they scored or about to have anyways? Better to live bet after other team scores!!

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

I was just thinking same thing. Only instance I can think of I have live bet while not watching was i recall a bowl game around the holidays few years back where I had to go to some engagement and game was a real back and forth shootout and my goal was getting down as many times as I could with plus money on both sides: so let the woman drive and every time someone scored I bet other team again!!

Thinking of that leads me to my next question, wouldn't the odds have changed had they scored? Certainly the odds difference should have been noticeable toler? Right?

Yeah, the odds were based on the Raiders score, its was Raiders +110 which are the correct odds, Boys were favored pregame. The odds were frozen prior to them scoring and opened after the score, so this wasnt a mistake on their part, it was based off of the Raiders scoring.

Optional · 12-18-17, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

Thats cool but when that score is incorrect then bets should be voided, its the only logical thing to do.

I don't agree. At all.

But at what point was the score incorrect in this case anyway?

There was a TD awarded on the field and the scoreboard rolled ahead by 6.

It was auto reviewed and changed and 6 points came of the scoreboard.

At what point are you saying the scoreboard was wrong?

Originally posted by jtoler

Well the tv said Raiders 13-7 also so...

SHouldn't the TV people be liable to pay by your logic too!

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Ok but you would have known the situation. Seems like a important thing while making a live bet. Why you live betting them when they scored or about to have anyways? Better to live bet after other team scores!!

Huh, who I bet has nothing to do with anything, I would have contacted support immediately had I bet the Cowboys after I saw the score was incorrect.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I don't agree. At all.

But at what point was the score incorrect in this case anyway?

There was a TD awarded on the field and the scoreboard rolled ahead by 7.

It was auto reviewed and changed and 7 points came of the scoreboard.

At what point are you saying the scoreboard was wrong?

SHouldn't the TV people be liable to pay by your logic too!

Raiders scored, scoreboard changed to 13-7, odds open up, bets taken. Score changed back to tie game 7-7, bets already taken off of 13-7 incorrect score which is a bad line/score. So bets taken and kept based off of an incorrect score/line, no different than a bet being placed off a bad line only this is live, only pregame bets are cancelled, not live though. That is a problem.

Optional · 12-18-17, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

Raiders scored, scoreboard changed to 13-7, odds open up, bets taken. Score changed back to tie game 7-7, bets already taken off of 13-7 incorrect score which is a bad line/score. So bets taken and kept based off of an incorrect score/line, no different than a bet being placed off a bad line only this is live, only pregame bets are cancelled, not live though. That is a problem.

The officials awarded a TD.

Are you saying that should never have been added to the scoreboard?

If not, then the scoreboard was correct.

As normal the TD was reviewed and when disallowed the scoreboard was changed to reflect that.

Again, at what point do you say the score was incorrect?

It never was.

Say you were watching, saw the ball bobble and expected it to be overturned. So bet to take advantage of the new live line.

Should that bet be cancelled due to this too?

jtoler · 12-18-17, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Optional

The officials awarded a TD.

Are you saying that should never have been added to the scoreboard?

If not, then the scoreboard was correct.

As normal the TD was reviewed and when disallowed the scoreboard was changed to reflect that.

Again, at what point do you say the score was incorrect?

It never was.

Say you were watching, saw the ball bobble and expected it to be overturned. So bet to take advantage of the new live line.

Should that bet be cancelled due to this too?

Have no problem with scoreboard changing to td initially being awarded. The problem is the betting portal opened up to receive bets during this time, the td was taken away but the bets still kept based off of the incorrect 13-7 score. Those bets should have been cancelled, this is open and shut. No I wasnt watching, which is besides the point as Im not the referee, the only point is bets were kept based off of an incorrect score after it was corrected back to 7-7. If one has no problem with bets being kept based off of an incorrect score then one should have a problem with bets being cancelled by the book based off of an incorrect line.

jjgold · 12-18-17, 11:24 AM

Nobody wins guy

Bet for recreational purposes

jtoler · 12-18-17, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Nobody wins guy

Bet for recreational purposes

I guess youre right, apparently it is all a game.

Optional · 12-18-17, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

Have no problem with scoreboard changing to td initially being awarded. The problem is the betting portal opened up to receive bets during this time, the td was taken away but the bets still kept based off of the incorrect 13-7 score. Those bets should have been cancelled, this is open and shut. No I wasnt watching, which is besides the point as Im not the referee, the only point is bets were kept based off of an incorrect score after it was corrected back to 7-7. If one has no problem with bets being kept based off of an incorrect score then one should have a problem with bets being cancelled by the book based off of an incorrect line.

This isn't the political forum, just repeating your claim over and again isn't an argument here in the real world.

The scoreboard never showed an incorrect score based on what you have told us.

BTW, it was never 7-7 in that game at any stage. But I guess you meant the TD reversed at 10-10.

jtoler · 12-18-17, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Optional

This isn't the political forum, just repeating your claim over and again isn't an argument here in the real world.

The scoreboard never showed an incorrect score based on what you have told us.

BTW, it was never 7-7 in that game at any stage. But I guess you meant the TD reversed at 10-10.

Whatever the score showed before a call was reversed as tv was on but I wasnt watching. Its ok, I understand the conflict of interest you battle with, I wasnt looking for help in the form of a complaint or anything, I was merely stating the incongruency of book policies.

Optional · 12-18-17, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by jtoler

Whatever the score showed before a call was reversed as tv was on but I wasnt watching. Its ok, I understand the conflict of interest you battle with, I wasnt looking for help in the form of a complaint or anything, I was merely stating the incongruency of book policies.

Don't write me of as conflict of interested!

I am only arguing at all as I am kind of surprised someone who has been around as long as you would post something that seemed so obviously wrong to me.

Even if the scoreboard was actually wrong, you should know by now no book would entertain a claim based on that. But I am mostly struggling to understand how an experienced bettor is saying the scoreboard was incorrect anyway. Every game I watch the scoreboard works like this. Adds points as soon as awarded on field. And removes them again if it is reversed. Seems 100% normal to me

But honestly, you started to have me doubting myself so much I did ask for another opinion to double check myself.

RudyRuetigger · 12-18-17, 12:00 PM

i think the most important thing here is, what line did you bet them

jtoler · 12-18-17, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Even if the scoreboard was actually wrong, you should know by now no book would entertain a claim based on that. But I am mostly struggling to understand how an experienced bettor is saying the scoreboard was incorrect anyway. Every game I watch the scoreboard works like this. Adds points as soon as awarded on field. And removes them again if it is reversed. Seems 100% normal to me

But honestly, you started to have me doubting myself so much I did ask for another opinion to double check myself.

But bets should be kept in that circumstance though? This has nothing to do with experience.

2daBank · 12-18-17, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Raiders scored, scoreboard changed to 13-7, odds open up, bets taken. Score changed back to tie game 7-7, bets already taken off of 13-7 incorrect score which is a bad line/score. So bets taken and kept based off of an incorrect score/line, no different than a bet being placed off a bad line only this is live, only pregame bets are cancelled, not live though. That is a problem.

Clearly they had line set where they wanted it. How it a bad line? Cause you didn't know situation? Ultimately this is totally on you and more I read less i think you have any gripe. At 1st I didn't realize it wasn't even wrong score, play just hadn't been overturned yet! They could have it 20 points off on their scoreboard that still a you mistake.

Optional · 12-18-17, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

But bets should be kept in that circumstance though? This has nothing to do with experience.

Yeah, I do think they should be action.

If I was watching closely and noticed the bobble of the ball as he landed, so jumped on a Cowboys live bet when I saw the odds re-open, then I think I would feel pretty damn ripped off if they voided that one after a score reversal.

I guarantee you that if live bets placed there would have been reversed by live betting operators, the forum would be alive with people complaining (rightly).

Remembering almost all live bets would have been opposite of yours. Taking the team who had just been scored against rather than the scorer. Meaning a void would very likely have been "better" for the book.

MMANick · 12-18-17, 12:24 PM

Of course the books have the edge & advantage... They're beatable though.

shocka1212 · 12-18-17, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by A4K

I NEVER Live Bet unless I am watching the game on television.

Regul8er · 12-18-17, 01:46 PM

Just chalk it up as a lesson learned! Ive made this mistake before too toler, and will never make it again. You would have been pretty stoked had Carr just held onto the ball at the half yard line, and not gotten greedy.

Hopefully you didnt get burned too badly.

TheMoneyShot · 12-18-17, 01:54 PM

Toler has a point. Books get away with murder. Wrong scores... bad lines... heavy juice... slow pay

RudyRuetigger · 12-18-17, 01:55 PM

like i said

depends what line he got

Regul8er · 12-18-17, 01:56 PM

They most certainly do.......but they get away with Murder because they know they can. I mean unless you live in Vegas, and have the ability to get the window everyday, where else can you turn?