Mexicn teen smuggler drinks liquid meth at border and dies..

[bosigga]

The guy was 16 years old not 6 years old. He knew exactly what's up. Cmon.

Yeah, he was committing a crime. Agreed. Cuff him and confiscate the liquid meth. Don't encourage him to drink it as if that's a scientific test and like they would have let him go if he didn't start to die in the station. Kid probably feared the cartel more than he did that liquid.

[RudyRuetigger]

Like I said, it's unfortunate, but the world experiences a greater net loss when a frog gets run over.

good point

[dlowilly]

Yeah, he was committing a crime. Agreed. Cuff him and confiscate the liquid meth. Don't encourage him to drink it as if that's a scientific test and like they would have let him go if he didn't start to die in the station. Kid probably feared the cartel more than he did that liquid.

Then don't take money from the cartel to poison Americans

Or don't lie when asked what was in the bottle

Or fess up instead of drinking a substance you know is dangerous

Kid had a lot of outs

[jtoler]

This is ridiclous now how do the criminals get the sympathy

Lol this is the society the controllers shaped for us, purposefully. Good pickup. It really shouldnt be this way.

[RudyRuetigger]

when you fukks realize lives are a math equation and NOT an independent, deserving existence........then we can talk

ok???????

[dlowilly]

Look, it will probably do [you]'s mom some good to be off the meth for a little while

[JIBBBY]

[bosigga]

Then don't take money from the cartel to poison Americans

Or don't lie when asked what was in the bottle

Or fess up instead of drinking a substance you know is dangerous

Kid had a lot of outs

Ask yourself, what would make a kid so desperate to drink something he knows is dangerous (at least to some extent)?

A dedicated student with dreams of higher education, Velazquez might have seemed an unlikely smuggler. Reyna said the signs were subtle, starting perhaps with a new group of friends.

According to former FBI agent Gomez, the cartels frequently enlist young drug mules from the city who are willing to embrace risky work for “a quick buck.” Its members can also manufacture motivation where it is lacking. The cartels gather information about the families of promising recruits, Gomez said, so that reluctant couriers might be reminded that their families’ safety depends on their success.

“That is part of the noose that they put around their neck,” Gomez said.
.....
At this point, Velazquez, and perhaps his family, were in danger. According to Gomez, the cartel would have had someone waiting on the other side of the border to confirm that he had crossed safely. If he was detained, his absence would have been reported immediately, potentially triggering a visit to his family back in Mexico.
“In his mind, the cartel is worse that the U.S. agents,” said Gomez. “A lot of times, they don’t even wanna hear the excuse. They’ll just kill everybody and make an example.”

....He began to scream, prompting Nina Signorello, another officer who was stationed nearby, to come to his aid. Perallon was a fluent Spanish speaker, and Signorello knew enough of the language to pick up a few final fragments: “son quimicos” and “mi corazon” and “mi hermana.”

They were chemicals. My heart. My sister.

Connect the dots. They most likely threatened his sister's life if he didn't get that across. Yeah, the kid made mistakes. But the agents clearly F'd up here too.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/deepdive/...agedy-48912222

[Kermit]

Like I said, it's unfortunate, but the world experiences a greater net loss when a frog gets run over.

Hey now.

[JIBBBY]

Look, it will probably do [you]'s mom some good to be off the meth for a little while

You must be a drug dealer, you sure like supporting them.. Kid was smuggling in Meth, dumb enough to drink it.. What are you gonna do? Stupid kids do stupid things..

Tragic and sad maybe because he was a 16 year old kid trying to make an illegal buck and probably just a mule but in the end it's one less drug smuggler off the streets and one less big load of Meth carried into America..

Is what it is...


OH SHIT EDIT JUST SAW THIS... Not another"YOU" thread now.. ERRRR!!! Sorry Dlowilly.. You got me.. ..

[bozeman]

Look, it will probably do [you]'s mom some good to be off the meth for a little while

Is Bozeman an urban dictionarism for something now? Watch out dlowilly - carma might get you with another hurricane bro

[bozeman]

what the fudge!!! This game Is never over is it?

[bozeman]

I think one million is a bit too much though - an average Mexican wage is say 4000 bucks a year on the high side. times 50 is 200k - how do they just make it 5 times more for compensation to the family?

Officers are 100 percent at fault - it's a kid for fudge sakes - how do you make him drink a suspicious substance? 16 years old trying to make money for college to get himself out of the hole where he was born - and don't tell me USA has nothing to do with how much of a shithole mexico is!!

[KVB]

Is Bozeman an urban dictionarism for something now? Watch out dlowilly - carma might get you with another hurricane bro

[DwightShrute]

Look, it will probably do [you]'s mom some good to be off the meth for a little while

[wikkidinsane]

As a former employee of the U.S. Marshal Service, I can tell you those agents have a legal responsibility to protect people in their custody. If the agents truly believed the substance was an illegal substance they had a legal obligation to stop him and test the substance.

only comment that made sense

[The Kraken]

Agents are guilty. I guarantee you that nowhere is it standard practice to have someone drink an unknown juice to prove it's what they say it is. Even if the kid is fine, that doesn't prove anything, then what? He walks across the border with two juice bottles full of concentrated meth? Hell, tell the kid if it's just juice they're gonna pour it down the drain and replace them with two new gatorades, for fukks sake, anything but having him drink it.

They have field tests, if they were suspicious enough that it wasn't really juice, simply test it.

What if it was pills and the kid said they were aleve? Do they say "prove it" and take a few or do they test it? Exactly.

Agents 100% breached protocol and deviated from the standard. Unfortunately this is where liability comes into play. Now there is a lawsuit and theres a good chance the kids relatives get a lot of money from the American taxpayer all because two stupid fukks decided to play a stupid game.

[dlowilly]

Ask yourself, what would make a kid so desperate to drink something he knows is dangerous (at least to some extent)?


Connect the dots. They most likely threatened his sister's life if he didn't get that across. Yeah, the kid made mistakes. But the agents clearly F'd up here too.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/deepdive/...agedy-48912222

Yeah I call bull shit

Cartels are experienced enough to know that some mules will not make it through, and threatening them with harm to their family if they don't make it through makes them more likely to get caught because they would be a nervous wreck. This kid wanted to get paid

[dlowilly]

We need nicer, more sympathetic border agents who worry about foreigners first and foremost. Yeah, let's see how that goes

[fried cheese]

a bunch of gambling criminals are all high and mighty about ppl who sell drugs to willing participants. dont do drugs if you dont want to get addicted and dont gamble if you dont want to lose your money. we dont need laws to protect us from ourselves. you should realize the only reason we have all these gangs and violence in the US is because drugs/gambing/prostitution are illegal. if they were legal the corporations would take them over and gangs wouldnt be able to make any money.

[bozeman]

We need nicer, more sympathetic border agents who worry about foreigners first and foremost. Yeah, let's see how that goes

Dlowilly - foreign or citizen - border crossers are humans, if USA will treat foreigners like crap at the border we d get same treatment when go for vacation... at least in certain places

[dlowilly]

a bunch of gambling criminals are all high and mighty about ppl who sell drugs to willing participants. dont do drugs if you dont want to get addicted and dont gamble if you dont want to lose your money. we dont need laws to protect us from ourselves. you should realize the only reason we have all these gangs and violence in the US is because drugs/gambing/prostitution are illegal. if they were legal the corporations would take them over and gangs wouldnt be able to make any money.

Ah, no slick

No one grows up wanting to be addicted to poison that ruins your life and turns you into an animal. Young people are given free tastes and pressured into doing this stuff to turn them into a hooked paying customer. For example if there was no heroin flooding our communities there would be an occasional drunk driving death instead of an epidemic of overdoses and ruined lives. Just stop it.

[bosigga]

We need nicer, more sympathetic border agents who worry about foreigners first and foremost. Yeah, let's see how that goes

This is where you guys get caught up with regards to every topic. Showing some human decency to non-US citizens is not mutually exclusive from caring about US citizens.

[dlowilly]

Dlowilly - foreign or citizen - border crossers are humans, if USA will treat foreigners like crap at the border we d get same treatment when go for vacation... at least in certain places

I'm saying border agents' main foremost concern are the citizens of our country. Some posters are acting like these aliens who at the very least bring zero to our country should be coddled like they are the agent's children. If somehow another country decides to get offended by that they can treat vacationing Americans like crap and see where that gets them economically.

[DwightShrute]

This is where you guys get caught up with regards to every topic. Showing some human decency to non-US citizens is not mutually exclusive from caring about US citizens.

ok fair enough but what about the human decency of the drug smuggler? What if what he was selling got through the border and was sold to some kid in your daughter's school who was friends with your daughter and who gave your kid some of it and she overdosed? How about that? Would you just say ... "oh well"?

[fried cheese]

Ah, no slick

No one grows up wanting to be addicted to poison that ruins your life and turns you into an animal. Young people are given free tastes and pressured into doing this stuff to turn them into a hooked paying customer. For example if there was no heroin flooding our communities there would be an occasional drunk driving death instead of an epidemic of overdoses and ruined lives. Just stop it.

uh more ppl die from the legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco than the illegal drugs. so i guess we should make them illegal right? tons of kids grow up wanting to get drunk and party all the time. seems like you dont blame other kids for getting hooked on drugs but blame this kid for becoming a drug mule for whatever reason. he probably dreamed of shoving balloons of heroin up his ass for a living.

[dlowilly]

This is where you guys get caught up with regards to every topic. Showing some human decency to non-US citizens is not mutually exclusive from caring about US citizens.

I know what you are saying, in a vacuum sure this one instance could have been handled better, but they deal with mostly criminal scum all day every day.

This is where liberals get caught up with regards to every topic. You see one instance and think this type of thing is a common occurrence, but actually there are a multitude of these interactions and to cherry pick this one that went bad and say "oh agents need to be more compassionate" is incredibly naive.

[bosigga]

ok fair enough but what about the human decency of the drug smuggler? What if what he was selling got through the border and was sold to some kid in your daughter's school who was friends with your daughter and who gave your kids some of it and she overdosed? How about that? Would you just say ... "oh well"?

What?

In your own words,

huh? Not saying they did a smart thing but what about personal responsibility? Natural selection

You don't feel that way all of a sudden?

Does personal accountability not apply to drug users, only traffickers? If there was no demand, people wouldn't be killing themselves bringing it over.
Nobody in this thread was asking for the meth to be allowed through. We are just saying the border agents should follow protocol and test the substance instead of asking the kid to drink it, knowing it could kill him.

[dlowilly]

uh more ppl die from the legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco than the illegal drugs. so i guess we should make them illegal right? tons of kids grow up wanting to get drunk and party all the time. seems like you dont blame other kids for getting hooked on drugs but blame this kid for becoming a drug mule for whatever reason. he probably dreamed of shoving balloons of heroin up his ass for a living.

Incredibly simplistic obtuse argument and I think you know that. The vast majority of alcohol and tobacco are consumed without violent crimes and theft being committed to fund it or almost all of the users overdosing or ceasing to be functional human beings. Legalizing heroin or meth would not change the dysfunction and destruction. Comparing someone dying from 40 years of smoking or an occasional drunk driving accident is nowhere near comparable to the epidemic of these powerful illegal drugs. Stop it

[DwightShrute]

What?

In your own words,


You don't feel that way all of a sudden?

Does personal accountability not apply to drug users, only traffickers? If there was no demand, people wouldn't be killing themselves bringing it over.
Nobody in this thread was asking for the meth to be allowed through. We are just saying the border agents should follow protocol and test the substance instead of asking the kid to drink it, knowing it could kill him.

ok maybe. So dock them a day's pay and say don't do it again. Maybe suspend them for a couple days even. Its a dead drug dealer for Christ sake!

[bosigga]

I'm saying border agents' main foremost concern are the citizens of our country. Some posters are acting like these aliens who at the very least bring zero to our country should be coddled like they are the agent's children. If somehow another country decides to get offended by that they can treat vacationing Americans like crap and see where that gets them economically.

I know what you are saying, in a vacuum sure this one instance could have been handled better, but they deal with mostly criminal scum all day every day.

This is where liberals get caught up with regards to every topic. You see one instance and think this type of thing is a common occurrence, but actually there are a multitude of these interactions and to cherry pick this one that went bad and say "oh agents need to be more compassionate" is incredibly naive.

Uh, last I checked this thread was about agents not following procedure and laughing as they trick a kid into committing suicide. Apparently wanting federal agents to follow protocol is now "coddling".

[fried cheese]

Incredibly simplistic obtuse argument and I think you know that. The vast majority of alcohol and tobacco are consumed without violent crimes and theft being committed to fund it and or almost all of the users overdosing and ceasing to be functional human beings. Legalizing heroin or meth would not change the dysfunction and destruction. Comparing someone dying from 40 years of smoking or an occasional drunk driving accident is nowhere near comparable to the epidemic of these powerful illegal drugs. Stop it

more crime is committed because they are illegal. yea you have some junkies robbing houses, which already happens, but you dont have any gangs or cartels killing anyone.

[bosigga]

ok maybe. So dock them a day's pay and say don't do it again. Maybe suspend them for a couple days even. Its a dead drug dealer for Christ sake!

Now we're talking

Though I don't think any of that happened

[Cuse0323]

Fcked up to make him drink it. He was dumb to, but may have not even known what it was. Just told to take this across, and give it to this guy. If they ask, say it's juice. Agents completely botched this. Many different ways to go about it, and it's messed up because they probably knew it was some drug.

[The Kraken]

I don't give a fukk about the kid. Nobody here high and might, quit being a dumbass.

What happened was clearly fukked up whether you care about the kid or not. Now there will be millions lost in a lawsuit and settlement. I thought you idiots were supposed to be about fiscal responsibility.