Nicky I took some of your advice.....

[reno cool]

You always say fuk trends, fuk past stats, fuk it all. So.... I have. Recently in baseball (the last month) I have taken that in and just started picking who I think will win. I do this as quickly as I can every single day. Sometimes I beat the closing # and sometimes I don't, but the whole key to this idea you have given me is fuk it... so fuk it.

Nicky, pal I'm serious here man. Nicky look at my spreadsheet for baseball it's retarded how easy this is. Nicky THANK YOU for making my sports gamlbing life so much more relaxing and handicap free. Nicky pal you are a fuking genius

Just want to say thanks Nicky

don't be letting the cat out of the bag.

[Nicky Santoro]

I wouldn't doubt it at all. I never had to wager off-shore until a few months ago when several of my local connections were all shut down. Since then, I have found that the possibility to exploit lines is there for someone who possesses that knack. Knew a man in Toronto who was quite well known in local circles for exactly this. He was very successful at thegreek...

sure styler, you are great at this.. why dont you go bet some more games for 20k and 10 cents worst to the #? you really are making a killing.. and anyone that gets as excited over a 1 game is surely an amateur.. you dont see pros coming in who bet that kinda large amount come in here and say. omg..omg.. omg..omg.. i won. omg..omg..omg omg..i won..omg omg..i won.. you sounded like you won the lottery.. lol.. if you really were a pro and making $$, you'd have no reaction..

this dont exist. only kids and recreational bettors do this.. pros have bet over thousands of games in their lifetime and know that they lose 23,000 like this and win 23,000 like this..

save your money stlyer.if you are betting 20k a game, get out now.. go invest it elsewhere. it's obvious you're no pro.

[StyleQ]

sure styler, you are great at this.. why dont you go bet some more games for 20k and 10 cents worst to the #? you really are making a killing.. and anyone that gets as excited over a 1 game is surely an amateur.. you dont see pros coming in who bet that kinda large amount come in here and say. omg..omg.. omg..omg.. i won. omg..omg..omg omg..i won..omg omg..i won.. you sounded like you won the lottery.. lol.. if you really were a pro and making $$, you'd have no reaction..

this dont exist. only kids and recreational bettors do this.. pros have bet over thousands of games in their lifetime and know that they lose 23,000 like this and win 23,000 like this..

save your money stlyer.if you are betting 20k a game, get out now.. go invest it elsewhere. it's obvious you're no pro.

Once again - I do not possess the bankroll to bet 20K a game, it was one line, and that still doesn't trump the fact that I wouldn't take advice from someone who has ripped books off but STILL is a lifetime loser.

[Nicky Santoro]

styler,

there's another sign of an amateur.. you do NOT have the bankroll to bet 20k a game and yet you do it.. that's smart moneymanagement. another sign of an amateur.. you should NEVER do this.. that's how you go broke fast.. gamblers make that mistake often and end up in the poorhouse.

and yes, when i was a kid, i went broke 4 times over cause i was handicapping games off the top of my head.. since i stopped doing this, things have turned around for me..

people that think they can predict games are living in a fantasy world. only way to do it is to just bet weak lines and the #'s will do its work.. if you dont have an edge in the line, you are more than dead.. and i know the sharp guys here will agree with me..

i dont care how much you think you know about handicapping, if you dont have an edge on the line more often than not, YOU WILL LOSE. just like you're about to lose your money, styler..

[StyleQ]

First of - I do not have the bankroll to bet 20k EVERY game, my regular size bets are coherent with the size of my bankroll. Like I have said, this game was the largest so far in the year for me and the fashion that in ended is why it stood out for me. Believe it or not (and frankly I don't care) what you believe, I have been betting professionally for several years now and I am quite successful at it.

I Agree with you, obtaining the best line is very important - but as I have stressed, that is not always possible.

My apologies for saying that you have gone broke as I'm sure it happened a lot of time ago and it seems like you have recovered very well.

Lastly, I really don't need the advice of "sharps" on this board, quite frankly I have been very successful over many years, and *Styler has not lost money*.

[Nicky Santoro]

no prob styler, but going broke when i was 17 and when i was 20 was the best thing that ever could have happened to me. it woke me up.. it made me realize no matter how much i knew, i could NOT win.. that's when i started to become a bookie and then saw all 230 customers who were like me but more knowledgeable in sports alllllllllllll go down and become broke and go on payment plans.

i would look at the sheets and notice that the only reason they all went down was because of having no edge in lines and laying -110.. that's when i became smarter and started to learn the business and only shop for good #'s and things changed..

now i dont even look at pitchers or home records, and so on. i know it's all applied into the line. now when i look at a game, and i see -170, instead of saying, hey, this guy is 9-0 at home and that price is good, i just say now.. hey, look at this, wsex has +165 on this game. and bang, i now have +165..


i have seen not only with me, but with everyone i know, that knowing so much will NOT help you in this business. if anything, it will hurt you. just look at VD.. no one knows more than him about teams and players and the kid barely hits 50%, which is like going broke in gambling..

[jellobiafra]

styler,

and yes, when i was a kid, i went broke 4 times over cause i was handicapping games off the top of my head.. since i stopped doing this, things have turned around for me..

Once again Nicky, it doesn't sound like you were a very good handicapper. That doesn't mean that people who actually put in the time and effort (and not just pick games off the top of their head) can't be successful over the long haul. But damn nothing stops you from speaking in absolutes here. You know it all and what you say is fact, not opinion. Just because you couldn't hack it, doesn't mean it's impossible.

[Nicky Santoro]

Once again Nicky, it doesn't sound like you were a very good handicapper. That doesn't mean that people who actually put in the time and effort (and not just pick games off the top of their head) can't be successful over the long haul. But damn nothing stops you from speaking in absolutes here. You know it all and what you say is fact, not opinion. Just because you couldn't hack it, doesn't mean it's impossible.

I would love to book your bets. guys like you are great. i've heard so man talk like you and today, none have money..

i wish i was your bookie, jello..

post your picks, jello.. i bet 59% move against you..

[jellobiafra]

I would love to book your bets. guys like you are great. i've heard so man talk like you and today, none have money..

i wish i was your bookie, jello..

post your picks, jello.. i bet 59% move against you..

Nicky, I never once said I'm the guy that crushes the books. I don't have that arrogant streak that so many people here have. I'm happy with the way my handicapping has gone recently, but I'm not cocky about it and I don't suffer any illusions. I'm no pro.

All I'm saying is that there are definitely people in the world that handicap and make a profit doing it. You speak in such absolutes. It's why I get frustrated reading your posts sometimes.

[Nicky Santoro]

jello,

i will say this though.. if you are handicapping games and at least 70% of the time, games are moving your direction, then you are a winner at handicapping.. but if you are betting early at -125 and games are closing at -116 consistently, then i dont care how good you think you are, you will go broke..

you can be a good handicapper and all, but if lines are going against you, it's no good. if most of your lines go your way after you bet it, then you are a good handicapper and can make a good living do it.

i dont judge cappers on how they pick games, but what lines they get their games at. if most of your games close 12 cents better, then you are a pro capper. if you are betting games at -112 and they are closing at -104, then you can sit here and tell us how good a capper you are and how much you're winning, and that would not even be true.

[StyleQ]

Nicky, I dont disagree with you. For example, my play yesterday (Minnesota vs. Cleveland) was snatched @ -150 and the line moved heavily to -178 (or in that vicinity). However, not every play can move in your favour which is why I was slightly offended by your insistence I was a losing player by simply looking at one wager.

[jellobiafra]

So when I'm betting unders and the line is consistently 1/2 run less by first pitch (or at least more expensive) than when I bet it the day before, I guess that means I'm capping it pretty well?