I don't come in here to hear myself talk...I know what i'm saying..I know that Kobe is better than MJ because i am a basketball expert. I am a basketball connaisseur. did you see Kobe last night? The guy is unreal.
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The title of this thread is laughable.
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nicky, i know Kobe is good but incase you don't remember, Jordan did the same thing to how many teams?Comment -
You think Kobe can back down a player like Jordan? Lol, he isn't even in the same league in that regard. Let enough years go by and people forget the unbeatable turn around J.
Face up though, sure, he has better range then Jordan. However, nothing else. This arguement is done though, his case is closed. Anyone who thinks Kobe is better then MJ is in the minority.
It is off to Lebron now and lets see if he can take the GOAT status.Comment -
MJ all day, enough saidComment -
Parrish was the scariest ever. In fact that whole team was butt ugly, including Bird. McHale, Johnson. They scared the shit out of me when they played the Nuggets, No way could we beat these freaks. And sure enough we couldnt.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
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Kobe or Lebron? 50/50?Last edited by The General; 06-06-09, 03:53 AM.Comment -
Those of you saying MJ is better need to take off your nostalgia goggles and think about how much fitter today's NBA players are and realize that Kobe is all up a better player.Comment -
You are the supreme dumbass, I hate when idiots shoot their mouths off about stats and don't even bother to look them up to find out they are stupid!!! Michael Jordan was insane on defense, much better than Lebron ever will be!! Jordan led the league in steals 3 times throughout his career averaging 2.3 SPG. As far as blocked shots, Jordan"s highest per game was 1.6 in 87-88. Lebron averages 1.8 steals per game in his career and his career high is 2.2 SPG where as Jordan's was 3.2 SPG. Lebron averages .9 blocks per game over his career and Jordan averaged .8 but Jordan's career high was 1.6 PG and Lebron's is only 1.1. Next time you talk shit about the best player ever to walk the Earth look up the stats before you shoot your dumbass mouth off!! This thread just goes to show how completely stupid and clueless some of you people are when discussing Michael Jordan. There was and never will be another player like him, he dominated the game unlike anyone and all of his peers are the first ones to tell everyone that he was the best.Comment -
Lol, I'm pretty sure Jordan had some pretty amazing performances where people were saying he is unreal. How about when he had 35 points at halftime against portland in the Finals going 7 for 7 from 3 point land. Then we could discuss when he had no team and scored 63 points against the eventual champion Celtics leading Larry Bird to say that it was god dressed up as Michael Jordan. There are many others, but the one that should and almost in all cases convinces everyone with a clue that he was the best was game 5 of the finals in Utah where he scored 38 points on 50% shooting with 7 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals all while being sick with the flu!!! Please watch this and come back and tell me he did not have the desire and heart of the best ever!!!
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Jordan would have won 8 STRAIGHT championships if he didn't take those years off... ONLY Bill Russell did better, and he was playing in an entirely different era where that could be done. Simply put, NOBODY wins 4 or more straight in the modern era. Jordan would have nailed 8 straight, which pretty much means he did the impossible. Keep in mind he was close in 1990 too, when the Pistons beat him. If I remember correctly, that is. There's no way you can even begin twisting around the facts to argue that Kobe "could have won" more than 3 in a row.
Now, what everyone is failing to realize is that the common denominator between Kobe and Jordan is ... PHIL JACKSON. How money is that man? He takes guys like Luscious Luc Longly and makes them champions. Look at this year's rise of Trevor Ariza -- he isn't that good of a player, but Phil just knows how to get the most from all of his players.
If you want to talk about championships, greatness, and consistency... look no further than Timmy Duncan, who I'd argue has a greater legacy than Kobe "Maid's Bane" Bryant. Nobody has more class and winning consistency in today's NBA than Mr. Duncan.Comment -
Kobe.........81 pts in 1 game
What is Jordan's record for pts in 1 game again? 63 LOL.
At leastwe can all admit one thing.. you can argue all you want about better overall player, better D, better at steals.. but don't argue with me on who was a better scorer...
Kobe wins here hands down.Comment -
Being a ball hog means nothing. Did Kobe win a ring when he scored 81 points? Absolutely not.Comment -
You are an idiot, Kobe scored 81 against against Toronto in the regular season and Jordan scored 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics. By the way Jordan's all time high in points is 69 and as a Chicago Bull he averaged 32 PPG and Kobe has averaged like 27 PPG for his career. You say that Kobe is a better scorer than the all time leader in PPG. You really are stupid!!!!!Comment -
Kobe is the best in the league. He is one of the greatest.
I wouldn't put him ahead of MJ.
If he wins a few more rings and sustains this level of play then...Maybe.Comment -
I guess David Robinson is a better scorer than MJ too because he scored 72 points. So is Wilt who scored 100, but than again Wilt and Jordan have the same career season ppg average 30.1 So it's not about how many points you score in 1 game, it's more how many points you average over your career to debate who is a better scorer. Now, if you said Wilt is a better scorer than MJ, than you will have a valid point.Comment -
Jordan's PPG avg went down 2 PPG while playing for the Wizards which I do not even count. He was a Chicago Bull and his career was long over when he decided to play 2 more seasons for the Wizards. As a Bull, he averaged 32.1 PPG and had 10 scoring titles. LOL, how many scoring titles does Kobe have? I think it is 2!!
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What a waste of time this thread is.
Jordan was a better scorer (not long-range shooter), passer, defender, and overall team leader. Kobe is great, but he's not Jordan.Comment -
You are right, a prime Kobe is just not good enough. Most people on here judge greatest by how many times a player makes the sport center top plays. Jordan stats are just way better than Kobe's. Not to mention that kobe doesn't even have the hardware compared to jordan. You know what, I don't even know why I keep responding to some of these people on here. lol
Edit: I am starting to notice some of these Kobe homers changing it to "Kobe is the best scorer ever" lol Not even that will hold up. How can you be the best scorer ever, and have a career average of 25.1??? It's not about scoring in spurts, it's about scoring consistently over a long period of time!!Last edited by Bradyd; 06-06-09, 10:35 AM.Comment -
Jordan was slightly under shooting 3s at 33% to Kobes 34% but overall Jordan shot 51% from field and Kobe is not very good at 43% (pretty pathetic, similar to ball hog Iversons %). Jordan had an unguardable fade away jumper and could pretty much score at will. You must be a genius for being this stupid SantoroComment -
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Just admit you're wrong and we will forget this whole thing.. You know you're wrong and i am right.. You have no case here big boy.. You lost the argument here. Kobe is better than MJ.. end of conversation.
It's ok, you dont have to be embarassed.. we're not always right in life, and in this case, you are wrong here..
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I win another argument.. i am now 67-0 lifetime.. with 48 KO's.. this one here was a KO by me over Calder in the 2nd round.. He never got back up again
Kobe is the greatest player that ever lived. Jordan is 2nd..
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Jordan didn't have to play half the game against a Raptor team just entering the NBA. The only interesting game that the Raptors took was against the 72-10 Bulls, which was just one team full of cast-offs and rookies playing way above level against one of the greatest teams of all time.
On the other hand, Sam Mitchell thought it would be great to put Jose Calderon against Kobe for a good length of the game where he scored 81...
Give me a break lol. At least pretend like you know what was happening before you spew stuff about the past.
Lets not forget, Kobe is a pure shooter. Even in this playoffs he lives or dies with his jump shot and may not defer to his teammates at all. He doesn't have the mechanics to back down a player like Jordan nor has the intensity to drive to the hoop throughout a game.
Great, great player, but there is a reason why only a couple of people mention Jordan vs. Kobe anymore. Kind of like what happened to Vince Carter. To much time has passed and the evidence is clear, Kobe is not at Jordan's level.
You can continue to believe it, doesn't matter it's your opinion, just understand few people would agree with you on this subject.Comment -
Santoro, your bball IQ is as stupid as your politics...... stick to eating poutine and making your dumb seperatist propaganda....Comment -
Yeah but Kobe scored those 81 against the shitty ass Raptors a couple years back. MJ had to compete against great teams when the NBA playing field was a lot better.
Listen this whole thing is just plain stupid and I'm not even sure why we're arguing about it. LOL
If we did a top 10 players of all time, MJ would be first...and Kobe would probably be 6-10...so just stop this ridiculous argument.
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in the playoffs against the boston celtics in boston garden no less
listen everyone, if nicky truly believes what he is saying then he has the least nba knowledge of anyone on any sports forum anywhere on the world wide web (its not called the internet, its the world wide web which is just a small part of the internet)
i think nicky is just putting us all on and having fun with it, he knows as we all do that jordan is #1 and kobe is somewhere in the top 10 like another poster said right now kobe is 6-10 but maybe higher by the time he finishesComment -
why do u guys even entertain crap like this? Michael never lost in the finals as a ****ing favorite. Michael was in the east, winning rings again magic johnson, clyde drexler, charles barkley, Karl malone, i mean jesus christ. Kobe so far has shown he cant win a ring without shaq. Michael won 6 and most of the time with big men like bill cartwright and luc longley. Some of u people are just too dumb for words."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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