Definition of bad lines?

[squallsquall]

What exactly is a bad line? Typos/errors or more? If a site is slow to change their odds in a volatile market and I use the opportunity to get generous odds, am I considered "taking a shot" at a bad line then, or is this legit?

Thanks!

[reno cool]

that's legit, although they wont like it. that's steam.

[The General]

There are several scenarios that bring up bad line arguments and there are really no definitions that cover all cases. Common sense must take over and a majority opinion is usually correct from my experience.

[Dark Horse]

What exactly is a bad line? Typos/errors or more?

Yes. Betting into such lines is a mistake, because you can't win.

If a site is slow to change their odds in a volatile market and I use the opportunity to get generous odds, am I considered "taking a shot" at a bad line then, or is this legit?

It is legit, but many books will lower your limits or kick you out if you continue to do so.

[The General]

Pinnacle has a policy of letting you have any bet stand, but if you accept the winnings on their determination of a bad line or mistake, they will ask that you take your business elsewhere after they pay for your/their error/mistake.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Pinnacle has a policy of letting you have any bet stand, but if you accept the winnings on their determination of a bad line or mistake, they will ask that you take your business elsewhere after they pay for your/their error/mistake.

That's consistent with Vegas sportsbooks even though Vegas books are obligated to do so through their gaming license.

[squallsquall]

Thanks for all answers!

So apparently, using the bookies slowness in a volatile market is legit, but can cause lowered limits. Understandable in a way, no bookie wants to lose money.

What about betting odds that are substansially higher than competitor's (but not typos/mistakes), to make surebets? This way, you'll be exploiting their generous odds, but not their slowness. Is this frowned upon?

[BGS 9.5]

Thanks for all answers!

So apparently, using the bookies slowness in a volatile market is legit, but can cause lowered limits. Understandable in a way, no bookie wants to lose money.

What about betting odds that are substansially higher than competitor's (but not typos/mistakes), to make surebets? This way, you'll be exploiting their generous odds, but not their slowness. Is this frowned upon?

As a general rule, betting into stale lines will garner you the same shitty treatment from the books....

[Justin7]

A surebet - an arbitrage -usually involves steam or a bad number. The best books don't mind steam chasers. Smaller books hate chasers. And no one likes a bad line player.

[durito]

The best books don't mind steam chasers.

List of books that don't mind steam chasers:

Pinnacle

end of list.

Or am I missing something?

[Justin7]

List of books that don't mind steam chasers:

Pinnacle

end of list.

Or am I missing something?

Cris?

[Nicky Santoro]

List of books that don't mind steam chasers:

Pinnacle

end of list.

Or am I missing something?

actually, believe it or not.. WSEX is one too.. i have no idea why, but i've been slamming their weak lines everyday now for 3 yrs and they have yet to limit me, or toss me out..

but i will say this.. that no matter what, after every single bet i ever submit there, they immediately move the line 3 to 5 cents 1 sec after i put it in..

not once did they ever NOT move the line.. it's a gimme.. yet they have not shown me the door, or lowered my limits..

i love this book..

[shhhhh22]

List of books that don't mind steam chasers:

Pinnacle

end of list.

Or am I missing something?

The Greek is pretty legit too. they won't no-pay a steam wager

[Justin7]

The Greek is pretty legit too. they won't no-pay a steam wager

the will suspend your account though, or limit you to phone-in.

[Stumpage]

the will suspend your account though, or limit you to phone-in.

Completely agree. Years ago my account was suspended with a notice to call the Greek, at which point I was politely told to stop chasing steam. "Don't do that", was the exact phrase, pretty much with the same accent and ominous emphasis as the Terminator. I complied and have never had a problem/warning since.

[Nicky Santoro]

that's why it is great to play at matchy.. you don't have any sleepless nights about getting booted.. it's IMPOSSIBLE..

and that really is the most important book you do not want to get booted from.

nowadays, there isn't one book i know that you are safe and won't get booted from if you are beating them to the # consistently..

[reno cool]

At what point does line shopping become steam? Any bet I make I may look at numerous book lines. I will bet the one with the best line. I may not know if these lines have recently moved. Through the eyes of the book will it look like I'm betting steam?

[durito]

Cris?

they'll take away bet pts, but yea otherwise it's ok i guess. dsi will cut you to $500 these days.

actually, believe it or not.. WSEX is one too.. i have no idea why, but i've been slamming their weak lines everyday now for 3 yrs and they have yet to limit me, or toss me out..

but i will say this.. that no matter what, after every single bet i ever submit there, they immediately move the line 3 to 5 cents 1 sec after i put it in..

not once did they ever NOT move the line.. it's a gimme.. yet they have not shown me the door, or lowered my limits..

i love this book..

they've put me on a delay before. their std limits are way lower than they used to be. but, yes they are more tolerant than most.

[Nicky Santoro]

they'll take away bet pts, but yea otherwise it's ok i guess. dsi will cut you to $500 these days.



they've put me on a delay before. their std limits are way lower than they used to be. but, yes they are more tolerant than most.

oscar,

don't you remember about 9 months ago, i made a thread about wsex putting me on delay.. then after they saw it, they immediately took the delay off.. and since then, they have left me alone.. i love it.. and i love sbr, cause if it wasn't for them, i'd still be on delay..

[durito]

i told you in that thread all you had to do was call them and they would take it off.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/92642-wsex-falling-apart.html

who the hell is oscar?

[Stumpage]

dsi will cut you to $500 these days

$250 in fact for me Durito, clear across the board. If I recall correctly, they did indeed limit me to $500, and this lasted about a week before the further limitation, despite the fact that I didn't place a single wager in the interim. Regardless, they have made it crystal clear to me that my business is no longer desired.

[JoeVig]

ABC Islands used to have "limits" and "steam limits" clearly posted on their max bets page. Funny thing was that they were essentially the same ($1000+) except in a few instances.

A lot of books will put you on a delay of 10 to as much as 90 seconds (BOL) between submitting your wager and getting the ticket or line changed message back.

Delays and limit cuts are the sure sign you are on the line manager's bad list.

[moonbeam]

The really bad thing about this "bad lines" is, that most books void them after the event has finished and your bet won.

I never ever in my life had a "bad line" cancelled which lose.

[davidchong]

sportsbook lines should be review it carefully before opened to the public...

my definition of bad line is: A mistake in a betting line impossible or never to made by a team.

Example: Soccer totals 200, NBA totals 1000. ...............

[Wrecktangle]

I think every book looks at you after you've hit a "bad" line and evaluates you from the standpoint of are you worth more to them in future business, or do they limit/shut you down to prevent further damage...

...all of them...

That's why the future lies with MB, Betfair, and any other true sports market.