2017 Kentucky Derby this Saturday

[sam9ball]

Any ideas on which horse wins
2017 Kentucky Derby

Horse	Trainer	Jockey	Pedigree
Girvin	Joe Sharp	Mike E. Smith	Catch the Moon by Tale of Ekati
Classic Empire	Mark E. Casse	Julien. R Leparoux	Sambuca Classica by Pioneer of the Nile
Gormley	John A. Shirreffs	Jose L. Espinoza	Race to Urga by Malibu Moon
Irap	Doug F. O'Neil	Mario Gutierrez	Silken Cat by Tiznow
Irish War Cry	H. Graham Motion	Rajiv Maragh	Irish Sovereign by Curlin
Thunder Snow (IRE)	Saeed bin Suroor	Christophe Soumillon	Eastern Joy by Helmet
Always Dreaming	Todd A. Pletcher	John R. Velazquez	Above Perfection by Bodemeister
Gunnevera	Antonio Sano	Javier Castellano	Unbridled Rage by Dialed In
Practical Joke	Chad C. Brown	Joel Rosario	Halo Humor by Into Mischief
J Boys Echo	Dale L. Romans	Robby Albarado	Letgomyecho by Mineshaft
State of Honor	Mark E. Casse	Jose Lezcano	State Cup by To Honor and Serve
Tapwrit	Todd A. Pletcher	Jose L. Ortiz	Appealing Zophie by Tapit
Hence	Steven M. Asmussen	Florent Geroux	Consequential by Mr. Prospector
Fast and Accurate	Michael J. Maker	Channing Hill	It's Heidi's Dance by Hansen
McCraken	Ian R. Wilkes	Brian Joseph Hernandez Jr.	Change Water by Pretense
Battle of Midway	Jerry Hollendorfer	Flavien Prat	Polly Lee by Midway Circle
Patch	Todd A. Pletcher	Tyler Gaffalione	Windyindy by Union Rags
Untrapped	Steven M. Asmussen	Ricardo Santana, Jr.	Exit Three by Trappe Shot
Lookin at Lee	Steven M. Asmussen	Corey J. Lanerie	Langara Lass by Lookin at Lucky
Sonneteer	J. Keith Desormeaux	Kent J. Desormeaux	Gay Sonnet by Soy Numero Uno

[shopbar picks]

I really like Classic Empire. And for fun I'm boxing Patch. Mcracken

[shopbar picks]

Looking at Lee has my eye too

[chico2663]

thunder snow. lots of back class. grandfather is half brother to northern dancer. his mother is in pedigree of citation,and dominoe

[CWD]

mccraken +900

but they say almost guaranteed off track

[ThaWoj]

Gunnevera but I can't see Antonio Sano winning a derby.

Irish war cry if the price is right.

[jjgold]

It is the worst race to bet of the year

If you like craps you like this race

[CWD]

adding gunnevera +1400

[sam9ball]

adding gunnevera +1400

[cecil127]

It is the worst race to bet of the year

If you like craps you like this race

da phuck u know, coach? huge pools, lotsa stupid people

future pools I have:
gunnevera/mccraken xacta box
gunneva/thunder snow xacta box
always dreaming to win

[slayer14]

Thunder Snow looks the value bet

[ballahollic2]

Thunder Snow looks the value bet

Probably was until drawing post 2. Not completely off of him but going to take quite the run to win.

[sweethook]

my moneys on Kent D

[ThaWoj]

Gunnevera but I can't see Antonio Sano winning a derby.

Irish war cry if the price is right.

Forget Irish war cry out of the 17 hole now.

Best bet in this race is to play doubles/pickers and go all in this race. Or play matchup bets offshore. Hit a bunch on 5dimes last year. You can even parlay them.

[ballahollic2]

Forget Irish war cry out of the 17 hole now.

Not saying he necessarily wins but that is just a statistical anomaly. You can't tell me you can win on either side of 17 but somehow 17 is impossible. I'd be more curious about the caliber of horse who didn't win from post 17. If you ask me he got a GREAT draw. All the speed is inside of him. He will be able to run and position himself where he wants.

[jjgold]

Throw out top 3 choices

Easiest way to make score

[ThaWoj]

Nah obv I meant 17,18,19,20 pretty much means no chance (at least to me, along with 1 thru 3).

When that pig looking at lucky who was the chalk had the 1 hole back in 2010, that was the easiest throw out I have ever seen. Unless your name is big brown there's no reason to have any of those inside/outside posts on top of any ticket.

[Ty$]

Forget Irish war cry out of the 17 hole now.

Best bet in this race is to play doubles/pickers and go all in this race. Or play matchup bets offshore. Hit a bunch on 5dimes last year. You can even parlay them.

Can you explain this a little more in depth?

[joeyp1222]

hi folks im keying classic empire on tot
p in trifecta with 8 horses underneath and usin Gromley on top in triple with 8 horses underneath
WATCH OUT FOR ESPINOZA ABOARD.

[funnyb25]

Watch out for the rain...

BOL

[brock]

Tapwrit

[mikemca]

Nah obv I meant 17,18,19,20 pretty much means no chance (at least to me, along with 1 thru 3).

When that pig looking at lucky who was the chalk had the 1 hole back in 2010, that was the easiest throw out I have ever seen. Unless your name is big brown there's no reason to have any of those inside/outside posts on top of any ticket.

Agree with 1&2. They are running straight into the rail when they break. Have to figure out a way to get 2 or 3 paths to the right with 18/19 horses in the way. Lookin at Lee will just drop in behind which is what he was gonna do anyway but any horse with intentions on being close to the front, inside posts are fatal.

May not be the same for far outside , especially if its muddy/sloppy. They could be among the cleanest horses when the race is finished while everyone else is covered in a couple pounds of mud.

[ThaWoj]

Agree with 1&2. They are running straight into the rail when they break. Have to figure out a way to get 2 or 3 paths to the right with 18/19 horses in the way. Lookin at Lee will just drop in behind which is what he was gonna do anyway but any horse with intentions on being close to the front, inside posts are fatal.

May not be the same for far outside , especially if its muddy/sloppy. They could be among the cleanest horses when the race is finished while everyone else is covered in a couple pounds of mud.

Yeah but the outside horses will be so far back (unless they somehow get the lead) that it won't matter how clean they are. very hard to close on a slop track. If they stay wide to avoid the mess they will lose too much ground.

[Notorious_Donk]

I'll be at the Derby on Saturday, cant wait. Looking at McCracken, Gunnevera, and Tapwrit.

Tapwrit could be the darkhorse (+1200 at my book) as his statistics from prior races rank right up there with the top 5 horses. Stamina will be a factor especially if it rains

[sam9ball]

[Jeffie]

Gormley has a lot of talent and should fill out the exotics. Their is great value on Irap, who finally figured out how to win a race last time out. And you have to love a horse with his demeneour, always relaxed and focused on track. One thing is for sure, the Kentucky derby hasn't been this wide open in years. Payouts will be huge.

[ballahollic2]

Agree with 1&2. They are running straight into the rail when they break. Have to figure out a way to get 2 or 3 paths to the right with 18/19 horses in the way. Lookin at Lee will just drop in behind which is what he was gonna do anyway but any horse with intentions on being close to the front, inside posts are fatal.

May not be the same for far outside , especially if its muddy/sloppy. They could be among the cleanest horses when the race is finished while everyone else is covered in a couple pounds of mud.

Agree with 1 & 2 also. I think in general 19 & 20 is usually a little far back. I think those in general are the worst 4 draws. Anything else inside of those numbers though I don't really mind. Irish war cry specifically is grading out as a great slop/mud runner. If he can get a cleaner trip coming from the outside and not taking in face full of mud that could work to his benefit for sure.

[pachyderm]

Kentucky Oaks

I'm not much interested in the derby and I know that the thread is about the derby but I have to mention the 6 Vexatious in the Oaks. High odds and bred to run all day. And I know one of the connections personally. Thinks she can win it outright.

[Notorious_Donk]

I'm not much interested in the derby and I know that the thread is about the derby but I have to mention the 6 Vexatious in the Oaks. High odds and bred to run all day. And I know one of the connections personally. Thinks she can win it outright.

Good stuff nonetheless

[3PtShooter]

#10 gunnevera - #20 patch - #2 thunder snow

[mdunlap3]

Like McCraken at 5/1 if weather stays nice. If looking like rain, will have to reexamine.

[mikemca]

I'm not much interested in the derby and I know that the thread is about the derby but I have to mention the 6 Vexatious in the Oaks. High odds and bred to run all day. And I know one of the connections personally. Thinks she can win it outright.

I'm all for long shots and hate favorites but no one is within shouting distance of Paradise Woods.

[mikemca]

And I know horses who jump to a big figure usually regress. There are a couple reasons why that's probably not the case with her. One she is bred to route so maybe she just got to her normal level first time routing and 2 it's Mandella who brings them along progressively.

[matrix1022]

I had animal kingdom when h was 16 and had ex with 17 , 18 , 19. Those numbers can come out this year guys. It's possible

[matrix1022]

Woods is good but looking for upset