Arizona, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville all make it to sweet 16????

pilebuck13 · 03-15-17, 03:27 AM

Maybe Arizona

seaborneq · 03-15-17, 07:05 AM

This just seems to good to be true or an error

Otters27 · 03-15-17, 07:13 AM

Should hit. 7 and 10 seeds beat 2 seed quite often though

Mackballs · 03-15-17, 07:13 AM

Have a funny feeling Duke might get clipped in second round

lakerboy · 03-15-17, 08:08 AM

Lol.

no1here · 03-15-17, 08:19 AM

bye bye louisville

jjgold · 03-15-17, 08:34 AM

nobody knows

anyone can get knocked out any round

gummo · 03-15-17, 08:40 AM

I think Kentucky is vulnerable.

seaborneq · 03-15-17, 12:12 PM

Does anyone NOT have any of these teams making the sweet 16?

unde0087 · 03-15-17, 12:20 PM

I wouldn't guarantee Kentucky is even going to get by Wichita State if they meet.

unde0087 · 03-15-17, 12:23 PM

Also remember #2 seeds have been getting clipped in the first round in recent years. Duke has lost recently, Michigan St last year. The only virtual lock in the NCAA tourney is #1 beating #16 in the first round

LT Profits · 03-15-17, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

I wouldn't guarantee Kentucky is even going to get by Wichita State if they meet.

THIS is the reason odds looks so enticing. Other three 2-seeds seem "safe", but Kentucky would only be around -3.5 over Wichita State.

unde0087 · 03-15-17, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

THIS is the reason odds looks so enticing. Other three 2-seeds seem "safe", but Kentucky would only be around -3.5 over Wichita State.

I actually think a protential Marquette/Duke matchup would be interesting. Marquette can really shoot the ball and could give Duke a game. Also, OSU playing Ville. Ville can play defense but struggles to score in games. A hot OSU squad is no picnic.

LT Profits · 03-15-17, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

I actually think a protential Marquette/Duke matchup would be interesting. Marquette can really shoot the ball and could give Duke a game. Also, OSU playing Ville. Ville can play defense but struggles to score in games. A hot OSU squad is no picnic.

Duke will still be a decided favorite though, Kentucky would be the only lukewarm favorite among the 2-seeds (unless Dayton beats Wichita State).

seaborneq · 03-15-17, 01:38 PM

How big of a difference is it between a 15 and 16 seed? The 15 has only won 8 times. Wouldn't the percentages lead to believe that All four #2's advance to the sweet 16?

LT Profits · 03-15-17, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

How big of a difference is it between a 15 and 16 seed? The 15 has only won 8 times. Wouldn't the percentages lead to believe that All four #2's advance to the sweet 16?

Most years, you would never see 2-seed only -3.5 over 10-seed. Wichita State being so underseeded could change the dynamic this year.

thetrinity · 03-15-17, 02:03 PM

Profits Mary's vs zona line?

thetrinity · 03-15-17, 02:04 PM

Louville will have a rough 2nd game too

meader99 · 03-15-17, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Most years, you would never see 2-seed only -3.5 over 10-seed. Wichita State being so underseeded could change the dynamic this year.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss dayton. They can beat Wichita and kentucky.

LT Profits · 03-15-17, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by meader99

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss dayton. They can beat Wichita and kentucky.

If Dayton wins, Kentucky would then be around -9 and OPs bet would look a lot better.

LT Profits · 03-15-17, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

Profits Mary's vs zona line?

Good point, Arizona around -4.5/-5. I guess that would be considered "lukewarm".

crackerjack · 03-15-17, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Does anyone NOT have any of these teams making the sweet 16?

I have Michigan upsetting Louisville

kingdom · 03-15-17, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by crackerjack

I have Michigan upsetting Louisville

Michigan, Wichita, and St. Mary's all strong enough to get it done.

TPowell · 03-15-17, 09:30 PM

My guess is Wichita would be the closest lined 2nd game potentially? Kentucky -3.5/-4 at most?

MoneyLineDawg · 03-15-17, 10:21 PM

South Carolina over Duke

Yes homer

TPowell · 03-15-17, 10:34 PM

Outside of Duke, none of these 4 are what I would call locks to get there. Marquette and South Carolina is an awful game. Marquette should barely be in the tourny at best and SC has played like dog**** for a while now. I think Wichita could certainly get UK and Arizona/STM would be an interesting game as well.

bleedgreen · 03-15-17, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by no1here

bye bye louisville

absolutely. adios

MoneyLineDawg · 03-15-17, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Outside of Duke, none of these 4 are what I would call locks to get there. Marquette and South Carolina is an awful game. Marquette should barely be in the tourny at best and SC has played like dog**** for a while now. I think Wichita could certainly get UK and Arizona/STM would be an interesting game as well.

SC can turn any game into an ugly dogfight and Marquette can literally outshoot anyone in the country

You're not wrong but I think either team could give Duke trouble surprisingly when everyone is just locking them into the sweet 16....Like any upset will have to be their night

TPowell · 03-15-17, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

SC can turn any game into an ugly dogfight and Marquette can literally outshoot anyone in the country

You're not wrong but I think either team could give Duke trouble surprisingly when everyone is just locking them into the sweet 16....Like any upset will have to be their night

True, just hard to see SC finally reverting back to mid-season form to make it competitive and with Marquette, sure they can shoot it good but Duke is one of the top 5 perimeter defensive teams in the country and Marquette is horrible guarding the 3 point line. Certainly anything can happen though

TPowell · 03-15-17, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Good point, Arizona around -4.5/-5. I guess that would be considered "lukewarm".

Would it really be that high? My guess is it comes out Arizona -2 or so and gets bet up. Sagarin and KenPom would have to be way off for this game to open at -4/-5.

MoneyLineDawg · 03-15-17, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

True, just hard to see SC finally reverting back to mid-season form to make it competitive and with Marquette, sure they can shoot it good but Duke is one of the top 5 perimeter defensive teams in the country and Marquette is horrible guarding the 3 point line. Certainly anything can happen though

Duke just a little overhyped to me....They're not untouchable, they've been upset plenty of times. Talent to win it all but damn people relax

How do you feel about Louisville? I think they have a solid draw to make a run....

TPowell · 03-15-17, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

Duke just a little overhyped to me....They're not untouchable, they've been upset plenty of times. Talent to win it all but damn people relax

How do you feel about Louisville? I think they have a solid draw to make a run....

I have no clue with Duke. I think they could be vulnerable to a team that can body up Tatum and has quick guards to harass Kennard and Allen. Offensively, I just don't get what they do so well. They have great offensive players but they don't mesh well together IMO. Tatum is an animal and probably the best offensive player in the country when he gets going. The contested shots he makes are ridiculous and he's done it in hostile environments. Over the years, quick guards have given Duke worlds of trouble though and this year would be no different. Obviously they have a stupid easy draw compared to virtually ANY other team in the country. The top half of that bracket is loaded but the bottom has Duke, clueless Baylor, and a really good SMU team so maybe trouble there but still. Zero shot anybody else beats them IMO.

With Louisville, I didn't see much hope of making a Final 4 before the draw came out. Now, I feel pretty good about it. Michigan and OSU shoot the 3 well but they aren't that quick which is our Achilles heel (straight line drives past our guards). Oregon would be an interesting game but I think Pitino could figure a way to severely limit Brooks and stop Oregon in their tracks. Kansas is easily the worst 1 seed which is gravy for us. Even better, the majority of the other contenders in the MW are either hurt (Oregon and Creighton) or overachieved during the season (Iowa State and Purdue) and could fall early. It wouldn't shock me to see Rhode Island or Nevada in the Sweet 16. The problem with this Louisville team is they don't seal the deal very well. We haven't beaten ANY good teams away from home which is a red flag to me. Of course, you can say the same thing about UNC so maybe I'm overplaying that. When I watch them though, I see a team that has a lot of promise but they just do so many dumb things (poor shot selection, clock management, etc)

bleedgreen · 03-15-17, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

True, just hard to see SC finally reverting back to mid-season form to make it competitive and with Marquette, sure they can shoot it good but Duke is one of the top 5 perimeter defensive teams in the country and Marquette is horrible guarding the 3 point line. Certainly anything can happen though

I know sc is sitting at 500 last month, but I don't see any bad losses. some of those sec teams were figting for theyre life . not excusing poor performance, but I don't think Marquette can beat them

bleedgreen · 03-15-17, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

I have no clue with Duke. I think they could be vulnerable to a team that can body up Tatum and has quick guards to harass Kennard and Allen. Offensively, I just don't get what they do so well. They have great offensive players but they don't mesh well together IMO. Tatum is an animal and probably the best offensive player in the country when he gets going. The contested shots he makes are ridiculous and he's done it in hostile environments. Over the years, quick guards have given Duke worlds of trouble though and this year would be no different. Obviously they have a stupid easy draw compared to virtually ANY other team in the country. The top half of that bracket is loaded but the bottom has Duke, clueless Baylor, and a really good SMU team so maybe trouble there but still. Zero shot anybody else beats them IMO.

With Louisville, I didn't see much hope of making a Final 4 before the draw came out. Now, I feel pretty good about it. Michigan and OSU shoot the 3 well but they aren't that quick which is our Achilles heel (straight line drives past our guards). Oregon would be an interesting game but I think Pitino could figure a way to severely limit Brooks and stop Oregon in their tracks. Kansas is easily the worst 1 seed which is gravy for us. Even better, the majority of the other contenders in the MW are either hurt (Oregon and Creighton) or overachieved during the season (Iowa State and Purdue) and could fall early. It wouldn't shock me to see Rhode Island or Nevada in the Sweet 16. The problem with this Louisville team is they don't seal the deal very well. We haven't beaten ANY good teams away from home which is a red flag to me. Of course, you can say the same thing about UNC so maybe I'm overplaying that. When I watch them though, I see a team that has a lot of promise but they just do so many dumb things (poor shot selection, clock management, etc)

I agree duke can be exploited, but id be surprised if they don't make it to elite 8. I like smu team. but duke is tough...lot of pressure on them. Louisville, I think they'll be golfing next weekend if ok st wins. if Michigan wins, Louisville can beat them. I like evans he might be best player on the court...