Asian handicap in a parlay

**SBRMAN23** · 02-04-17, 05:17 PM

i did that on heritage and it was a loss so im gonna guess maybe thats industry standard not 100 percent sure tho

**BrickJames** · 02-04-17, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by SBRMAN23

i did that on heritage and it was a loss so im gonna guess maybe thats industry standard not 100 percent sure tho

The parlay is still pending with one leg to go. The Asian handicapped leg says "half win"?

**BrickJames** · 02-04-17, 05:28 PM

I know optional knows. Optional? You out there?

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 05:29 PM

That's weird. You shouldn't be able to use quarter ball Asian handicap/total in parlays

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 05:36 PM

I mean I suppose they could calculate it normally, as in all the money won on the other legs plus original stake is rolled over onto the Asian handicap leg. Then if it's a half win, only half the rolled over amount is applied to the odds of that leg of the parlay

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by rizespor

I mean I suppose they could calculate it normally, as in all the money won on the other legs plus original stake is rolled over onto the Asian handicap leg. Then if it's a half win, only half the rolled over amount is applied to the odds of that leg of the parlay

But this only works if there's no more than 1 leg that's quarter ball ah/at. It's just really confusing and can get complicated in a parlay that I'm surprised a book allows it

**BrickJames** · 02-04-17, 05:49 PM

It wasn't the q ball. The bet was half -.5 half -1 the team won by one so half pushed, half won. This might not even be an Asian line. The leg appeared in the parlay like this:

(-1/2)( -1) +105 the team won by one so it is a half win has push

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 05:59 PM

Right right quarter ball, 3 quarter ball, 1 and quarter ball, etc. All same in the sense that half the bet can push

Well, some are half win half push and some are half lose half push. I was just saying quarter ball in that regard, that half the bet can push while other half can win/lose

I'm still surprised that a book allows it in a parlay

**LT Profits** · 02-04-17, 06:11 PM

It is no big deal, the parlay price is just adjusted for half-win.

**BrickJames** · 02-04-17, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

It is no big deal, the parlay price is just adjusted for half-win.

So if it was a 6 teamer, would you say the correct formula would be (steak ÷12×11)

So basically it's like I only risked 11/12 of the parlay

**LT Profits** · 02-04-17, 06:24 PM

What was full price of the Asian play?

**BrickJames** · 02-04-17, 06:27 PM

+105

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 06:32 PM

I'm seeing a contradiction, the more I think about it.

Say it's just a simple 2 teamer and you bet $100. Both legs +100. 1 is just normal bet and other is 0.25 ah (or 0.75 or whatever)

In order to calculate winnings, you just take the stake and multiply by odds of 1 leg, then take the return and multiply by odds of 2ND leg. In a normal parlay, it doesn't matter the order of the legs. BUT, if 1 or more are ah legs, then there's a contradiction.

If you apply the ah leg first, then you get $250 back (so profit $150)

But if you apply normal leg first, then you get $300 back (so profit $200)

This is why Asian handicap/totals involving quarter balls shouldn't be allowed in parlays. I'm not sure how to reconcile this

**LT Profits** · 02-04-17, 06:33 PM

So the +105 leg is calculated as around -190 (2/1.05).

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

It is no big deal, the parlay price is just adjusted for half-win.

How though? I'm not seeing how this is done.

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

So the +105 leg is calculated as around -190 (2/1.05).

How then are half loss ah like -0.25 dealt with? You're supposed to get refunded half stake in the event of a tie. But since the parlay loses, I can't imagine anything being refunded

**LT Profits** · 02-04-17, 06:51 PM

A full win would return 2.05 for risk of 1. Half-win returns 1.525 for risk of 1, of 1/.525 = about -190

**LT Profits** · 02-04-17, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by rizespor

How then are half loss ah like -0.25 dealt with? You're supposed to get refunded half stake in the event of a tie. But since the parlay loses, I can't imagine anything being refunded

Push/LOSS (your example) loses parlay. Push/WIN (BrickJames's case) reduces parlay.

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Push/LOSS (your example) loses parlay. Push/WIN (BrickJames's case) reduces parlay.

In the truest sense, the parlay should split into 2 separate parlays at EVERY Asian handicap/total leg. So push/loss should technically win something provided of course that all other legs won

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 06:59 PM

I strongly suspect that won't be the case though.

I'm actually very curious how it is handled.

**smitch124** · 02-04-17, 07:06 PM

If push loss loses parlay, you shouldn't be parlaying Asian handicaps.

**rizespor** · 02-04-17, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by smitch124

If push loss loses parlay, you shouldn't be parlaying Asian handicaps.

Exactly. Or at the least, you shouldn't be playing ah that can push lose.

But as I said above, parlays should technically split into 2 when dealing with ah legs since that's literally what an ah is; half bet on 1 handicap and half bet on another handicap. So even if it's a push lose, half the parlay should push on the final leg and should be paid out with the push reduced

**smitch124** · 02-04-17, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by rizespor

Exactly. Or at the least, you shouldn't be playing ah that can push lose.

But as I said above, parlays should technically split into 2 when dealing with ah legs since that's literally what an ah is; half bet on 1 handicap and half bet on another handicap. So even if it's a push lose, half the parlay should push on the final leg and should be paid out with the push reduced

Yep and that is not a small factor over the long haul.