Clemson Doesn't Deserve The National Championship - 14 Points On Pick Plays

[TheMoneyShot]

Refs kept the flag in the pocket.

I wonder why?

Vegas?

Blatant penalties. No call.

[Da Manster!]

As much as I hate to agree with you Tim (since I had Clemson) you are 100% right...they've been calling that shit (those damn pick plays) all year long...Tigers should have had two TD's nullified and in both cases the catch was made pass the line of scrimmage meaning the pick penalty would have been the correct call...the only time it's not a pick is if the WR catches the ball behind the line of scrimmage...

[dlowilly]

Also, that last PI call happened outside of the endzone which would have been half the distance instead of placed at the 2, right?

[El Nino]

Also, that last PI call happened outside of the endzone which would have been half the distance instead of placed at the 2, right?

Yep. Ref even threw the flag at the 2 yd. line-ish where the foul occurred. Their fingerprints were all over this game, which was disappointing. Can't blame Vegas as they took a bath on this one.

To be fair, Williams and the kid who made that diving, finger tip catch to set it up deep in Bama territory at the end were clutch.

I still don't understand why the corner interfered with Williams on the second to the last play when he had safety help. There was a good chance that the safety picks that ball.

On to the next one

[ThaTopMoron]

you noticed the blatant holding on Bama's first q td run i assume?

or the weak call going against Clemson the very next kickoff that they ran back to Bama's 35...

or the missed head shots while Bama was head hunting in the first Q...

pretty much the entire first Q that kept Clemson down and out till they finally got it going middle of 2nd Q

or the fact that Bama was trying to take advantage of bad rules and commit pass interference on every play once they got to first and goal because time comes off the clock and Saban wanted to force Clemson to run into the scenario where they HAD to kick a 19 yard FG and go to OT... that's why they str8 pushed down Williams on the fade route throw with 9 seconds left and that's why the defender basically dragged down the WR who was running the rub route on the sprint out right type QB pass/run play on the 2 yard line with 6 seconds left

Refs had the chance to just ignore those dirty tactics by Bama if Clemson caught a TD and Clemson did so that's exactly what the refs did.... a big F YOU to Bama for trying to play like that to survive and get to OT or even block the FG to win...

maybe Bama should've stopped Williams from making rocket catches on them

[brooks85]

Yep. Ref even threw the flag at the 2 yd. line-ish where the foul occurred. Their fingerprints were all over this game, which was disappointing. Can't blame Vegas as they took a bath on this one.

To be fair, Williams and the kid who made that diving, finger tip catch to set it up deep in Bama territory at the end were clutch.

I still don't understand why the corner interfered with Williams on the second to the last play when he had safety help. There was a good chance that the safety picks that ball.

On to the next one

the pick plays were so blatant but regardless that is the play that stands out the most to me. Awesome catch at the most important time. The follow up TD catch was easy compared to that one.

[ByeShea]

or the missed head shots while Bama was head hunting in the first Q...

No matter the final score or who won or lost Saban should be getting a lot of flack for that today. I can't believe some of those guys stayed in the game. Targeting the head was clearly part of the game plan. Unreal.

And as for pick plays - getting away with them is part of the gameplan - in that first pick/TD you saw the Clemson receiver throw his hands up as he crossed up the defender. That's how you do it - and, correctly, Clemson saved the plays for the red zone because when you spend the whole game picking defenders you are that much more likely to draw the flag in crunch time. Doing them well is part of the game, nothing new about this. Don't think Bama wouldn't do it as good as Clemson did if they could. They just needed a more precise passer, though.

[SharpAngles]

A wise man once told me it's only a foul if the ref blows a whistle

[swordsandtequila]

you noticed the blatant holding on Bama's first q td run i assume?

or the weak call going against Clemson the very next kickoff that they ran back to Bama's 35...

or the missed head shots while Bama was head hunting in the first Q...

pretty much the entire first Q that kept Clemson down and out till they finally got it going middle of 2nd Q

or the fact that Bama was trying to take advantage of bad rules and commit pass interference on every play once they got to first and goal because time comes off the clock and Saban wanted to force Clemson to run into the scenario where they HAD to kick a 19 yard FG and go to OT... that's why they str8 pushed down Williams on the fade route throw with 9 seconds left and that's why the defender basically dragged down the WR who was running the rub route on the sprint out right type QB pass/run play on the 2 yard line with 6 seconds left

Refs had the chance to just ignore those dirty tactics by Bama if Clemson caught a TD and Clemson did so that's exactly what the refs did.... a big F YOU to Bama for trying to play like that to survive and get to OT or even block the FG to win...

maybe Bama should've stopped Williams from making rocket catches on them

[TheMoneyShot]

Great posts by everyone in this thread.

All I'm saying is... I've seen subtle rubs.... all year than the two scoring plays.... and these other subtle rubs were called Offensive PI immediately.

What were the officials looking at? It's just bizarre to me. Seems like they knew not to call it on scoring plays for Clemson.

Clemson's go ahead score was clearly offensive PI. I give Saban a lot of credit for not saying anything about the officiating during the end of the game interview. Not one bleep.

[Sam Odom]

time to move on

many winners today

[swordsandtequila]

Great posts by everyone in this thread.

All I'm saying is... I've seen subtle rubs.... all year than the two scoring plays.... and these other subtle rubs were called Offensive PI immediately.

What were the officials looking at? It's just bizarre to me. Seems like they knew not to call it on scoring plays for Clemson.

Clemson's go ahead score was clearly offensive PI. I give Saban a lot of credit for not saying anything about the officiating during the end of the game interview. Not one bleep.

Goes both ways. Not like Bamas dbs weren't hands all over most of the game. Let 'em play.

[funnyb25]

Definitely went both ways and I didn't have action on it. Neutral perspective

[USCPHILLYGUY]

TMS seriously....are you going to be the guy to call Offensive PI with 1 second left in the National Championship Game? Bama clearly knew what play was coming....DB has to get in better position not to get picked there

[RudyRuetigger]

I joined in 08, I don't even remember TMS back then.

When I first noticed him, figured below average IQ

Guy keeps proving that wrong consistently and I'm now certain hes one of the sharps in players talk

I have no opinion on this thread though

[opie1988]

Not called because thats not a pick play. Those are called scissoring plays. When happening that close to line of scrimmage - perfectly legal.

TMS...in the future, ask me before you make a thread. There's a lot of reasons why everyone knows me as the guy with a MAJOR FUKKIN CLUE.

[Sam Odom]

opie... put it all on Dallas

[t-wizzle]

Lol whiny bitch. Take your loss like a man you pussssy.

[Booya711]

I still don't understand why the DB's don't just switch men on those plays like is done in basketball. This would make the "picks" irrelevant

[INVEGA MAN]

I'm watching it again to see the if PI happen in end zone or not

[Booya711]

I'm watching it again to see the if PI happen in end zone or not

It didn't...1.5 yard line about

[swordsandtequila]

I still don't understand why the DB's don't just switch men on those plays like is done in basketball. This would make the "picks" irrelevant

Difference between college players and pros, Boo. Like night and day

[INVEGA MAN]

your right. Just watched it. It happen inside the 2. These ref's were bad. OMG

[swordsandtequila]

your right. Just watched it. It happen inside the 2. These ref's were bad. OMG

Don't understand, what's the issue? Line of scrimmage was 9 yd line; pass interference is 15 yds if applicable, in this case spot foul. Ball was spotted properly.

[M.W.]

Also, that last PI call happened outside of the endzone which would have been half the distance instead of placed at the 2, right?

No, that's incorrect. Half-the-distance does not apply to pass interference calls.

[M.W.]

I think Clemson was trying to run a pick play but the DB pulled down the receiver before he could execute the pick/block, so no foul on Clemson there.

[CWD]

[thellama]

What you saw were not pick plays, and those that think they were don't know the game. In man coverage contact happens, as long as the WR is running a route the flags will stay in the pockets, and it's ALWAYS man coverage in the end zone. Call them rub plays if you want. Those plays were legal, quit crying and learn the fukin' game.

[maggiethebestdog]

The only possible way that play could be called offensive PI, is if it was determined the receiver knocked the defender backwards, similar to a charge in basketball. You can't plow through a guy who has position. That being said, that would never be called, especially then.


In no way was it a pick play. A pick play is when the receiver makes contact with the other DB who is going outside. Alabama DB picked his own man. He did have some help, but you have to be tougher than that.

[fecgp40]

What you saw were not pick plays, and those that think they were don't know the game. In man coverage contact happens, as long as the WR is running a route the flags will stay in the pockets, and it's ALWAYS man coverage in the end zone. Call them rub plays if you want. Those plays were legal, quit crying and learn the fukin' game.

This.

[fecgp40]

I actually thought the officiating was pretty good. There may have been a few questionable non-calls, but I'd rather see those than BS ticky tack calls.

[champlain]

Stop whining. Even if your biased mind really believes it's a pick, it will not be called with 1 second left in a championship game.

[recon1]

Saw the calls go both ways. Saw Bama DB's get away with as much, if not more.

[ThaTopMoron]

No matter the final score or who won or lost Saban should be getting a lot of flack for that today. I can't believe some of those guys stayed in the game. Targeting the head was clearly part of the game plan. Unreal.

And as for pick plays - getting away with them is part of the gameplan - in that first pick/TD you saw the Clemson receiver throw his hands up as he crossed up the defender. That's how you do it - and, correctly, Clemson saved the plays for the red zone because when you spend the whole game picking defenders you are that much more likely to draw the flag in crunch time. Doing them well is part of the game, nothing new about this. Don't think Bama wouldn't do it as good as Clemson did if they could. They just needed a more precise passer, though.

yep, great points you made there

[Mike Huntertz]

Phuckin Tide with that prevent offense didn't help.