Had a lot of these decisions to make so far this season in college basketball. I currently hold an Ohio +3 (-115) ticket from opening yesterday and they are now -3.5 favorites. Would you consider going for a full middle here? Maybe just hedging a little on the side you like more? I hate to do it because the 1 isn't that big of a number in college hoops and the 2 is only marginally better but the 3 is the pinnacle obviously. Curious what says SBR
When to go for the middle?
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TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#1When to go for the middle?Tags: None -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
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#2Most people do not play middles unless they're free or just a couple cent lossComment -
SmokeSBR Aristocracy
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#3Be a man. Let it ride.Comment -
funnyb25BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#4Would go for the middle here...BOL
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BrooksSBR Wise Guy
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#5dont dilute +ev. if gtech is 3.5 across the board and you can get +4 that is another matter and you should buy it up to 5 for -130 for 25% of the original wagerComment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#6ehhh I dislike buying points to middle in college hoops. If this was football or NBA or even high level NCAA hoops, I would have middled by now but these lower level games tend to get crazy IMOOriginally posted by Brooksdont dilute +ev. if gtech is 3.5 across the board and you can get +4 that is another matter and you should buy it up to 5 for -130 for 25% of the original wagerComment -
TheMoneyShotBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#7If you're a serious handicapper and you want to make profits majority of the time.... I wouldn't try to middle.
If you have money to burn... and you're wagering for fun... go ahead and try to middle. I would only imagine you'd burn a lot more money in the long run.Comment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#8Originally posted by TheMoneyShotIf you're a serious handicapper and you want to make profits majority of the time.... I wouldn't try to middle.
If you have money to burn... and you're wagering for fun... go ahead and try to middle. I would only imagine you'd burn a lot more money in the long run.
yeah that was my first gut thought as well in this type of game. Thanks for the serious responses guysComment -
BuckyOneSBR MVP- 01-02-15
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#9Why did you lead with it to begin with? Did you get lucky that it went in your favor that much or did you identify good value from the get go? Did you take other leads or just this one?
It is kinda like making bets and then betting them back trying for a middle at halftime. You have to eat the losers and then middle off or take a juice bath on the others. Absolutely have to hit a middle or two to make money.Comment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#10Originally posted by BuckyOneWhy did you lead with it to begin with? Did you get lucky that it went in your favor that much or did you identify good value from the get go? Did you take other leads or just this one?
It is kinda like making bets and then betting them back trying for a middle at halftime. You have to eat the losers and then middle off or take a juice bath on the others. Absolutely have to hit a middle or two to make money.
I made the line Ohio PK so I took Ohio +3 -115. Now the line is Memphis +3.5 (-105). My numbers say make both plays but not sure the value is there with both of those togetherComment -
RudyRuetiggerSBR Aristocracy
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#11powell I am like a genie and will grant you 3 answers to questions
powell are you sure you want this to be one?Comment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#12Originally posted by RudyRuetiggerpowell I am like a genie and will grant you 3 answers to questions
powell are you sure you want this to be one?
Yep bring it on RudyComment -
RudyRuetiggerSBR Aristocracy
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#13you answered your own questionOriginally posted by TPowellI made the line Ohio PK so I took Ohio +3 -115. Now the line is Memphis +3.5 (-105). My numbers say make both plays but not sure the value is there with both of those together
ofcourse there is value on both sides, according to YOUR stats
whether your numbers are correct or not is a different story but assuming they are, yes bet both sides hereComment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#14Originally posted by RudyRuetiggeryou answered your own question
ofcourse there is value on both sides, according to YOUR stats
whether your numbers are correct or not is a different story but assuming they are, yes bet both sides here
alright wasting another wish. What if Josh Pastner is coaching the team you'd be betting on by going for the middle?
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RudyRuetiggerSBR Aristocracy
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#15this is where your thinking is wrong
it shouldn't be about middling, it should be about placing +EV betsComment -
SmokeSBR Aristocracy
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#16Rudy put down the malt liquor broOriginally posted by RudyRuetiggerthis is where your thinking is wrong
it shouldn't be about middling, it should be about placing +EV betsComment -
BuckyOneSBR MVP- 01-02-15
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#18I like what you said there. Had you been busy elsewhere and did not get in at openers you would have seen value at the close and taken that. So, i agree with that tactic that was mentioned here. The math is with you.Originally posted by TPowellI made the line Ohio PK so I took Ohio +3 -115. Now the line is Memphis +3.5 (-105). My numbers say make both plays but not sure the value is there with both of those together
I know it is part of the game but it bugs me to make a great play and come away with an empty sack. My style is like take the +155 money line on the closing dog (mould a profit either way) and you still have a 3 point middle shot.
I see it is 13-13 early - pulling for your play to work out!Comment -
zizoudane10SBR Hall of Famer
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#19Key to your initial question is: is it an overestimated middle (sure thing you do it), or an underestimated middle (nope, stay away).Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
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#20+ EV middles only ones you should play but hard to findComment -
daneblazerBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#21I'll do it sometimes but it's rare. Last year I got unc +3.5 and baylor +3 in a bowl game. College is just so volitale I usually just stick with the better lineComment -
Hu$tleSBR MVP
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#22Go for the middle if you think it will hit or has a good chance
depends on what sports tooComment -
funnyb25BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#23Come on man....so we don't go for the middle if we think it will lose?Originally posted by Hu$tleGo for the middle if you think it will hit or has a good chance
depends on what sports tooComment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#24didn't do it and it paid off. Ohio pulling away very late. Just couldn't stomach wasting a winner on a middle knowing Pastner was the the other coachComment -
lonegambler23SBR Hall of Famer
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#25if you think of hedging, you shouldnt be gambling.Comment -
funnyb25BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#26lol... Let's make a bet, and pray we can get out and only lose juice...funnyComment -
b1slickguySBR Posting Legend
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#27I don't usually meddle in middles and hedges, but seeing the success of other posters middling and hedging has my interest peaked. Good luck.Comment -
BuckyOneSBR MVP- 01-02-15
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#28you mean bang-bang plays - get both sides and do not pay any juice? Then the only thing that can go wrong is you cannot collect from one side.Originally posted by jjgold+ EV middles only ones you should play but hard to findComment -
BuckyOneSBR MVP- 01-02-15
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#29Nice play - were you able to determine why the game swung six points - injury - tout release???Originally posted by TPowelldidn't do it and it paid off. Ohio pulling away very late. Just couldn't stomach wasting a winner on a middle knowing Pastner was the the other coachComment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#30I didn't see any injuries but don't follow touts much. Line def got bet up too high though IMOOriginally posted by BuckyOneNice play - were you able to determine why the game swung six points - injury - tout release???Comment -
biggie12SBR Posting Legend
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#31Tpowell for such a pro u are asking some real amateur questions latelyComment -
BuckyOneSBR MVP- 01-02-15
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#32This topic motivates a good query for a data base. Is a 6 point move predictive or not? Did it still have value at the close?Comment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#33amateur question? I asked a general question and gave my current example. You morons are too afraid to ask anything and thats why you stay barreled inOriginally posted by biggie12Tpowell for such a pro u are asking some real amateur questions latelyComment -
TheMoneyShotBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#34A quick example of a game that I think you could of middled... Michigan At Iowa +24 college football. Line closed at 24.... I had +23.5
At the half I believe Michigan was only winning by 2?
Well.... there's your middle... go for it.
And we know how that turned out.
I don't think there is ever a scenario to middle anything. Oddsmakers are way too good.Comment -
TPowellSBR Posting Legend
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#35Originally posted by TheMoneyShotA quick example of a game that I think you could of middled... Michigan At Iowa +24 college football. Line closed at 24.... I had +23.5
At the half I believe Michigan was only winning by 2?
Well.... there's your middle... go for it.
And we know how that turned out.
I don't think there is ever a scenario to middle anything. Oddsmakers are way too good.
Not true, I missed the best shot of a night on Arky. I had UT Arlington +12 and they were up 11 at half. 2H line was Arky -9.5. Keep in mind that Arky was down 20 points at 1 time in the first half and closed strong against a road weary UT Arlington. Arkansas ended up winning the game by a fewComment
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