Mariners Catcher Steve Clevenger calls out Black likes matter and others....

[thetrinity]

No I'm saying that Black Lies Matter is a racist organization, and every white athlete should condemn anyone supporting them.

Clevinger did the right thing and I'm also glad Seattle suspended him. It further illustrates the hypocrisy that will lead to Trump being elected. People are angry and this keeps the fires stoked.

This dude gets suspended without pay for speaking for basically calling a bunch of black looters and violent thugs trash, , and CK gets a million ESPN articles of "support" for disrespecting the flag and the police.

We are living in backwards world. This shit wil end when Trump is elected.

very good point

I stay out of this meaningless media driven shit as much as possible, but this got me wound up to no end.

It took them all of 5 minutes to suspend him without pay. The whole thing is wrong on every level. kaepernick gets applauded, he gets fired for all intents and purposes.

[brainfreeze]

he used the term "animals" in a tweet.. i think it was "lock them up like animals"
which translates to "i think blacks are animals"
nobody is stupid. everybody knows what that means. He is free to vote for Trump,
and is free to join whatever other racist organization exists in the USA. That's his right.
but he gave up 100% his right, no. privilege to play major league baseball.
I hope this moron likes sweeping floors. His tweets do not reveal a very big intellect.

he GONE either way. Star/no star. doesn't matter who he is. no one can speak like that. no organization will put up with it.
and shouldn't. That's why they suspended him without pay. will Cut him by Monday/Tues.

You're wrong ...and have interpreted what he said wrong ... like is the key word, he didn't call them animals, he said they should be locked up " like " animals for acting this way against other people...

but here we are talking intellect again, let's get understanding down first....

[Mac4Lyfe]

You mean like calling yourself " mac 4 life " ...

Mac as in Apple Macintosh computers you dumb fukk...

[Mac4Lyfe]

You gotta be a criminal black man. Because no law abiding citizen thinks that at all.

Cops are protecting the MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC (Non-Black Law Abidiing Citizen - which make up 88% of the US) from the 12% of blacks that have unleashed a crime wave of epidemic proportions.

I support the police. I want them to shoot more black criminals. Not less. Because obviously, lethal force has NOT been enough of a deterrent to curb crime amongst blacks.

We got 5% of the population committing greater than 50% of the murders in this country. And you think the police are doing a bad job keeping these people in check? Like I said, they need to be shooting more of them. Prisons are filled up enough as it is. Put a bullet in them before they even get there.

You are such a racist bitch that you don't even know it. You distort facts to support your bullshit point. White people commit more violent crime than black people. Yes black men are killing black men BUT they are not killing white people you dumb fukk. Blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites. You are so uneducated, you get your facts by guys in this forum. You are so afraid of black people you want the police to shoot them all. You are pathetic but the good thing is that you are in the minority. The majority of normal people do not feel the way you do. Normal people are smart enough to see what's really happening. Normal people are not living in fear of anyone and live their lives to the fullest. While you sit cowering in your trailer. You are in the minority and the world will get better once you and your cronies drop down dead from eating too much bacon. FUKK OFF and DIE OFF YOU RACIST PIECE OF SHIT.

[brainfreeze]

Mac as in Apple Macintosh computers you dumb fukk...

lol.... mac fa lyfe then homie ...u got it,

moving on...

[Mac4Lyfe]

lol.... mac fa lyfe then homie ...u got it,

moving on...

I'm not your fukkin homie...

[brainfreeze]

I'm not your fukkin homie...

Was sarcasm ...

Smh...

[Plaza23]

You are such a racist bitch that you don't even know it. You distort facts to support your bullshit point. White people commit more violent crime than black people. Yes black men are killing black men BUT they are not killing white people you dumb fukk.

I'm going to speak REALLY SLOW - for the RETARDED LIBERAL- that responded to me. Here goes:

BLACK PEOPLE MAKE UP 12% OF THE UNITED STATES. WHITE PEOPLE MAKE UP 68% OF THE UNITED STATES.

YET BLACK PEOPLE - this 12 % OF THE US POPULATION - COMMITS > 50% OF MURDERS IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS RACE OF HUMAN TRASH IS THE WORST MINORITY ON THE ENTIRE EARTH.

Yet, this IGNORANT BLACK POPULATION - is ANGRY AT THE POLICE - for TRYING TO STOP THOSE MURDERS....Explain how ignorant that is. Because I can't wrap my mind around it. You just said they only attack their own. Not true, but even it it was - these Cops are trying to PROTECT other black people from the trash in their community.

I live in an affluent white community. The day blacks move in, I move out. I don't really care if they "only harm each other". First, it's not true. Second, it's a waste on tax dollars of incarcerating them. Third, they will gladly rob anyone if they need too.

I'm not a racist. A racist hates everyone but their own race. I love everyone except Blacks. And you want to know why? Because 80% of them are trash. Complete trash. Violent, no respect, LEACHES on the government.

I hope all white people associate Hillary with BLM, and vote against them and their pathetic agenda.

Blacks in this country are worse than Muslims in iraq. They act the same way. They terrorize everyone. The US (or in this case the police) come in and try to restore order. And then they hate the US (or police) for doing their jobs.

[Plaza23]

he used the term "animals" in a tweet.. i think it was "lock them up like animals"
which translates to "i think blacks are animals"
nobody is stupid. everybody knows what that means. He is free to vote for Trump,
and is free to join whatever other racist organization exists in the USA. That's his right.
but he gave up 100% his right, no. privilege to play major league baseball.
I hope this moron likes sweeping floors. His tweets do not reveal a very big intellect.

he GONE either way. Star/no star. doesn't matter who he is. no one can speak like that. no organization will put up with it.
and shouldn't. That's why they suspended him without pay. will Cut him by Monday/Tues.

The looters in Charlotte are animals. I'm glad he has the balls to say it.

[k13]

he used the term "animals" in a tweet.. i think it was "lock them up like animals"
which translates to "i think blacks are animals"
nobody is stupid. everybody knows what that means. He is free to vote for Trump,
and is free to join whatever other racist organization exists in the USA. That's his right.
but he gave up 100% his right, no. privilege to play major league baseball.
I hope this moron likes sweeping floors. His tweets do not reveal a very big intellect.

he GONE either way. Star/no star. doesn't matter who he is. no one can speak like that. no organization will put up with it.
and shouldn't. That's why they suspended him without pay. will Cut him by Monday/Tues.

North America/West Europe is just an embarrassment of white people.
Only like two Alpha countries left in this world.

If he was black...he could speak anyway he wants and team would keep him.

[Plaza23]

a black cop speaks the truth

https://www.facebook.com/jay.stalien...11372818974402


I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.
I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.
It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.
As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victim…of black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:
Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.
I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and thepopular response from the very same family members was always, “Fuck the Police, I ain't no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myself". This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.
I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.
I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:

Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.
I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead... would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?
All of my realizations came to this conclusion.

Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter.Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”.

I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum.

I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details aren’t even known yet and the investigation hasn’t even begun.

I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes.

I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most.

I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise.

I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist.

I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet.

I realized that some in the African American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are.

I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace.

I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

And ultimately, I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die... and it is still hard for me to understand... to this day.

[recon1]

Another black lies matter POS dies? i'm so sad. may have a tear in my beer.......NOT!

[Mac4Lyfe]

I'm going to speak REALLY SLOW - for the RETARDED LIBERAL- that responded to me. Here goes:

BLACK PEOPLE MAKE UP 12% OF THE UNITED STATES. WHITE PEOPLE MAKE UP 68% OF THE UNITED STATES.

YET BLACK PEOPLE - this 12 % OF THE US POPULATION - COMMITS > 50% OF MURDERS IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS RACE OF HUMAN TRASH IS THE WORST MINORITY ON THE ENTIRE EARTH.

Yet, this IGNORANT BLACK POPULATION - is ANGRY AT THE POLICE - for TRYING TO STOP THOSE MURDERS....Explain how ignorant that is. Because I can't wrap my mind around it. You just said they only attack their own. Not true, but even it it was - these Cops are trying to PROTECT other black people from the trash in their community.

I live in an affluent white community. The day blacks move in, I move out. I don't really care if they "only harm each other". First, it's not true. Second, it's a waste on tax dollars of incarcerating them. Third, they will gladly rob anyone if they need too.

I'm not a racist. A racist hates everyone but their own race. I love everyone except Blacks. And you want to know why? Because 80% of them are trash. Complete trash. Violent, no respect, LEACHES on the government.

I hope all white people associate Hillary with BLM, and vote against them and their pathetic agenda.

Blacks in this country are worse than Muslims in iraq. They act the same way. They terrorize everyone. The US (or in this case the police) come in and try to restore order. And then they hate the US (or police) for doing their jobs.

You are so full of shit. You are too dumb to live in an affluent community. A fool and his money are soon departed and there's no fukkin way you ever made money. You love to distort facts to suit your racist agenda. What does black gang members killing other black gang members (that you just said you delight in) have to do with you? They're not trying to kill you idiot. The cops are not trying to protect them you imbecile. That's where you're wrong again. The cops don't try to stop the black on black murders. They create a system that foster the vicious cycle. You have a lot to learn but you're too old to enlarge your brain.

You hate black people. We get it. I'm glad you're at least honest with your hate. Your true colors just flew tonight. I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest. And you somehow justify your hate by saying you love other races so you can't be a racist. Isn't that just wonderful. Do you know a black person? Do you know all black people? Yet you have profiled everyone of them and you include Muslims too. You are truly a dumbass. And you call yourself and American? And you think you are a believer of this country. You are a fukkin disgrace to this country. Your day is coming though. It won't be long either. Stupid rednecks are a dying breed. You are in the minority.

Your post should be stickied anytime someone asks why are people protesting and Kaepernick kneeling... Bravo.

[Plaza23]

When cops (black or white) shoot white criminals, most white people cheer that on. I know I do. We are happy to have one less thug with a record on the street.

When cops (black or white) shoot black criminals, black people get angry, protest, and loot.

One race wants the trash (criminals) exterminated from the population.
The other race supports the trash (criminals).

I mean how does this thought process make any sense at all? To anyone?

[ThaWoj]

So I guess it was ok when Crowell tweeted the cop getting his throat slit by a hooded black guy pic??

[bigtymer56]

So I guess it was ok when Crowell tweeted the cop getting his throat slit by a hooded black guy pic??

Ok course it wasnt. That's why he caught blacklash and went on an apology tour afterwards.

[pavyracer]

Why is he suspended? What happened to freedom of speech?

[KingJD31]

Mac is trying to convince himself we are the minority every post "I'm just happy you're the minority " oh and the classic "successful people are on karpernicks side". Like wtf logic is that, you are a beyond a looney toon we need to tighten up some of your screws u little freak

You are so full of shit. You are too dumb to live in an affluent community. A fool and his money are soon departed and there's no fukkin way you ever made money. You love to distort facts to suit your racist agenda. What does black gang members killing other black gang members (that you just said you delight in) have to do with you? They're not trying to kill you idiot. The cops are not trying to protect them you imbecile. That's where you're wrong again. The cops don't try to stop the black on black murders. They create a system that foster the vicious cycle. You have a lot to learn but you're too old to enlarge your brain.

You hate black people. We get it. I'm glad you're at least honest with your hate. Your true colors just flew tonight. I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest. And you somehow justify your hate by saying you love other races so you can't be a racist. Isn't that just wonderful. Do you know a black person? Do you know all black people? Yet you have profiled everyone of them and you include Muslims too. You are truly a dumbass. And you call yourself and American? And you think you are a believer of this country. You are a fukkin disgrace to this country. Your day is coming though. It won't be long either. Stupid rednecks are a dying breed. You are in the minority.

Your post should be stickied anytime someone asks why are people protesting and Kaepernick kneeling... Bravo.

[trump4prez]

Shame on Mariners for suspending him. I bet if Felix Hernandez sent out those tweets, he wouldn't have gotten suspended.

What is going on in this country. Gays and Trannnies/transgenders are causing laws to be changed to unethical and wrong things. Gays/Trannies sure have the right to whatever they want but they should not change the regular day to day laws that is right. These people need better access to psychiatrists instead of all these new laws. Go do whatever you want but dont corrupt the current children and tomorrows generation.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

I'm not a racist. A racist hates everyone but their own race. I love everyone except Blacks.

uhhhhh... lol

Incorrect.

You sir are, in fact, a racist.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Shame on Mariners for suspending him. I bet if Felix Hernandez sent out those tweets, he wouldn't have gotten suspended.

What is going on in this country. Gays and Trannnies/transgenders are causing laws to be changed to unethical and wrong things. Gays/Trannies sure have the right to whatever they want but they should not change the regular day to day laws that is right. These people need better access to psychiatrists instead of all these new laws. Go do whatever you want but dont corrupt the current children and tomorrows generation.

You don't get off the farm much, do you?

[trump4prez]

You don't get off the farm much, do you?

Its crazy how some people all pretend to be all liberal and go with the flow just so that they don't look bad. I am pretty sure that they (or you) wont be as accepting when you son or daughter comes tell you when they are 13 or 14 that they feel like the opposite sex and want to live their life as the opposite sex! Young adults/teenagers can be confused, children can be confused....the new laws enables them to experiment with shit that parents would have advised against back in the days. There are still good parents who do that but these phony liberals label them as discriminators.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Its crazy how some people all pretend to be all liberal and go with the flow just so that they don't look bad. I am pretty sure that they (or you) wont be as accepting when you son or daughter comes tell you when they are 13 or 14 that they feel like the opposite sex and want to live their life as the opposite sex! Young adults/teenagers can be confused, children can be confused....the new laws enables them to experiment with shit that parents would have advised against back in the days. There are still good parents who do that but these phony liberals label them as discriminators.

Fucck having kids.

I am too self absorbed. Parents should put their children first and I will never be able to put anyone before myself.

Not going to be an issue for me.

As far as other people's children, unless you think there is something wrong with transgendered people, I don't understand why you would care what other people do.

Maybe I am a narcissist.

[Ratzz]

North America/West Europe is just an embarrassment of white people.
Only like two Alpha countries left in this world.

If he was black...he could speak anyway he wants and team would keep him.

if he was black and he called another minority group "animals" they would can him. As they should.

[Ratzz]

Its crazy how some people all pretend to be all liberal and go with the flow just so that they don't look bad. I am pretty sure that they (or you) wont be as accepting when you son or daughter comes tell you when they are 13 or 14 that they feel like the opposite sex and want to live their life as the opposite sex! Young adults/teenagers can be confused, children can be confused....the new laws enables them to experiment with shit that parents would have advised against back in the days. There are still good parents who do that but these phony liberals label them as discriminators.

100% cool with gay or transgender kids. who cares.. whatever makes them feel right. Obviously do not rush into a huge operation, but you have to support them either way.

[thetrinity]

if he was black and he called another minority group "animals" they would can him. As they should.

have nothing to do since kobe retired?

[lakerboy]

have nothing to do since kobe retired?

Been sucking lbj's dick. Meanwhile he was talking about Yankees 220 million payroll a few days ago.

[thetrinity]

forget clevenger for a second

whats so great about these guys led by kaepernick disrespecting the country? what would kaepernick do if he didnt grow up in the usa and have the nfl? I guess play in the cfl, thats basically his only other option. He probably would make 1/4th the money

[ThaWoj]

Ok course it wasnt. That's why he caught blacklash and went on an apology tour afterwards.

He shoulda got 4 games at least

[pavyracer]

What did Steve say that was wrong? He called black looters animals. I'd tell you what. They are worse than animals. You can protest in a civilized manner without destroying property.

Could you imagine the KKK protesting in a black neighborhood and they start looting black businesses? What would black baseball players tweet?

[CDUBB_CW]

This guy doesn't have the balls to speak what he tweeted. It's like most of guys, typing your support towards this no-name guy and then can't say repeat your messages in a room full of black people. Bunch of cowards!!!! If Cooper didn't get suspended then this guy shouldn't either, but I don't think he'll be playing another game in the MLB.

Elite white men created our racist/sexist system & maintained it at the top of society, for 400+ years now. They are the main societal problem.

You guys betting your money on majority of black men to produce to win you money, but don't have respect for them as a race? Think outside the box and perhaps you racist guys will realize we're all humanity. Maybe that's why you guys don't win as often too.

[pavyracer]

Any black person, pro athlete or not, who endorses looting and destroying of private property should be ashamed of themselves. That's where I draw the line. Speak up against looting. You are not helping your cause by looting.

[CDUBB_CW]

Any black person, pro athlete or not, who endorses looting and destroying of private property should be ashamed of themselves. That's where I draw the line. Speak up against looting. You are not helping your cause by looting.

Nobody with a right mind would support looting. Have you heard of blacks supporting looting? Unfortunately a few bad apples see an opportunity to take advantage of a peaceful protest. This is what I mean by thinking outside the box, you're focusing on the looting and not why the people are protesting. Similar to Kaepernick and company kneeling, not to disrespect the veterans or flag but to show oppression and these incidents proved his stance. I won't go in a back and forth because most of you won't understand.

[pavyracer]

I have seen blacks looting. I have not seen whites looting. I have seen black pro athletes shoplifting (Cowboys running back..forgot name). I have not seen white pro athletes shoplifting.

[The Kraken]

Can I offer any insight into this one?