Basball Hall of Fame new players eligible the next two years. Who gets your Vote?

[Chi_archie]

2017
Vlad Gurerro
Derrek Lee
Maggluo Ordonez
Jorge Posada
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Tim Wakefield

2018
Chris Carpenter
Johnny Damon
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Jamie Moyer
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel
Scott Rolen
Kerry Wood

more complete list and write ups here

http://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/future-eligibles#2017-eligibles

[opie1988]

Just from glancing at your list, obviously Pudge and Chipper are complete no-doubter first ballot guys. Those are probably the only 2 that there's no question about, in my opinion.

I obviously love Pudge having enjoyed watching him with my Rangers for all those years. And Chipper is my 2nd all-time favorite player, only trailing the great Kirk Gibson.

[mpaschal34]

Pudge may get blacklisted because of the PED's. The big weight loss at the end of his career (when testing was implemented) had to have raised eyebrows. It will be interesting to see.

[pilebuck13]

Omar vizquel easy

[Chi_archie]

I think Vlad has a got shot at first year or 2nd year ballot

lifetime .318 avg. only 55 have ever done better and only 2 or 3 of them are not in HOF

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/batting_avg_career.shtml

add to that the 449 HR's and his mythical Arm and I think he's very solid.

could also see Thome becuase

a) he is so well liked and voting is a bit of a popularity contest
b) 612 career Hr's

1.	Barry Bonds (22)	762	L	HR Log
2.	Hank Aaron+ (23)	755	R	HR Log
3.	Babe Ruth+ (22)	714	L	HR Log
4.	Alex Rodriguez (22, 40)	696	R	HR Log
5.	Willie Mays+ (22)	660	R	HR Log
6.	Ken Griffey+ (22)	630	L	HR Log
7.	Jim Thome (22)	612	L	HR Log

[Ratpack]

Vlad pudge aboth jones's and vizquel

[Mike Huntertz]

Vlad and Rodriguez

[lakerboy]

Irod and jones(c).

I LOL when I saw Kerry wood.

[Mr KLC]

Chipper

[stealthyburrito]

Pudge
Chip
Vlad the impaler
Vizquel

[El Nino]

2017 will only be Vlad. Media will punish Manny for being a jerkoff and obvious PED usage.
2018 Chipper & Omar

[opie1988]

2017 will only be Vlad. Media will punish Manny for being a jerkoff and obvious PED usage.
2018 Chipper & Omar

I don't think Vlad gets in first year. It's tough gettin in first year in MLB HOF. This ain't fukkin hockey, guy.

Pudge gets in next year. Top 3 catcher all time. He's in.

[d2bets]

Chipper Jones for sure.

Manny and Pudge would be for sure, but for steroid questions. So who knows.

Vlad after looking at numbers, I'd say yes, but maybe not right away.

Jim Thome is a tough one. 612 HR's. And over .400 OBP. I'm tempted to say yes.

Vizquel no. I realize he might be the best SS fielder ever. But his batting numbers just aren't good enough. Carrer WAR (inc defense) among position players is #236.

[rm18]

Andruw Jones is a lock he did not age well but was one of most underrated players of all time in his prime best defensive outfielder ever.

[El Nino]

I don't think Vlad gets in first year. It's tough gettin in first year in MLB HOF. This ain't fukkin hockey, guy.

Pudge gets in next year. Top 3 catcher all time. He's in.

Steroid cheat. Pudge ain't getting in.

[Chi_archie]

Andruw Jones is a lock he did not age well but was one of most underrated players of all time in his prime best defensive outfielder ever.

no way he is a lock

he was top 10 in MVP voting only ONCE!!!!!

meanwhile another Braves OF Dale Murphy and his Two MVP's waves hello from OUTSIDE the Hall of Fame

[stevenash]

Just from glancing at your list, obviously Pudge and Chipper are complete no-doubter first ballot guys. Those are probably the only 2 that there's no question about, in my opinion.

This, the rest of the field is not really Hall worthy.
My man Moose gets in in 2017, no later than 2018.

[Chi_archie]

for reference here is last year's voting. Bagwell is closet to getting over the 75% hump, i'm sure he'll get in next year


Mussina with only 43% I don't see him getting enough votes AND leap frogging those other guys

also you now only have 10 years instead of the old 15 years to get your 75%. So this was Mark McGwire's last year!!!!

1	Ken Griffey	1st	437	99.3%	235	61	22	83.6	53.9	68.8	57.8	2671	9801	1662	2781	630	1836	184	1312	.284	.370	.538	.907	136														*89D/73
2	Mike Piazza	4th	365	83.0%	207	62	16	59.4	43.1	51.2	43.4	1912	6911	1048	2127	427	1335	17	759	.308	.377	.545	.922	142														*2D3
3	Jeff Bagwell	6th	315	71.6%	150	59	15	79.6	48.2	63.9	54.2	2150	7797	1517	2314	449	1529	202	1401	.297	.408	.540	.948	149														*3/D9
4	Tim Raines	9th	307	69.8%	90	47	23	69.1	42.2	55.6	53.3	2502	8872	1571	2605	170	980	808	1330	.294	.385	.425	.810	123														*78D4/9
5	Trevor Hoffman	1st	296	67.3%	159	19	18	28.4	19.6	24.0	34.4	1035	34	1	4	0	5	0	0	.118	.118	.176	.294	-22	61	75	2.87	141	1.058	1035	0	601	1089.1	846	100	307	1133	*1
6	Curt Schilling	4th	230	52.3%	171	46	20	79.9	49.0	64.5	62.1	571	773	39	117	0	29	1	25	.151	.178	.171	.348	-9	216	146	3.46	127	1.137	569	436	22	3261.0	2998	347	711	3116	*1
7	Roger Clemens	4th	199	45.2%	332	73	24	140.3	66.3	103.3	62.1	709	179	5	31	0	12	0	13	.173	.236	.207	.443	17	354	184	3.12	143	1.173	709	707	0	4916.2	4185	363	1580	4672	*1
8	Barry Bonds	4th	195	44.3%	340	76	22	162.4	72.7	117.6	53.3	2986	9847	2227	2935	762	1996	514	2558	.298	.444	.607	1.051	182														*78D/9
9	Edgar Martinez	7th	191	43.4%	132	50	18	68.3	43.6	56.0	55.1	2055	7213	1219	2247	309	1261	49	1283	.312	.418	.515	.933	147														*D*5/3
10	Mike Mussina	3rd	189	43.0%	121	54	18	83.0	44.5	63.8	62.1	537	52	3	9	0	5	0	1	.173	.189	.192	.381	1	270	153	3.68	123	1.192	537	536	0	3562.2	3460	376	785	2813	*1
11	X-Alan Trammell	15th	180	40.9%	118	40	20	70.4	44.6	57.5	54.8	2293	8288	1231	2365	185	1003	236	850	.285	.352	.415	.767	110														*6D5/478
12	Lee Smith	14th	150	34.1%	127	13	18	29.6	21.1	25.4	34.4	1023	64	2	3	1	2	0	3	.047	.090	.094	.183	-50	71	92	3.03	132	1.256	1022	6	478	1289.1	1133	89	486	1251	*1
13	Fred McGriff	7th	92	20.9%	100	48	19	52.4	35.8	44.1	54.2	2460	8757	1349	2490	493	1550	72	1305	.284	.377	.509	.886	134														*3D
14	Jeff Kent	3rd	73	16.6%	122	51	17	55.2	35.6	45.4	56.9	2298	8498	1320	2461	377	1518	94	801	.290	.356	.500	.855	123														*453/D6
15	Larry Walker	6th	68	15.5%	148	58	17	72.6	44.6	58.6	58.1	1988	6907	1355	2160	383	1311	230	913	.313	.400	.565	.965	141														*9387/D45
16	X-Mark McGwire	10th	54	12.3%	170	42	16	62.0	41.8	51.9	54.2	1874	6187	1167	1626	583	1414	12	1317	.263	.394	.588	.982	163														*3D/59
17	Gary Sheffield	2nd	51	11.6%	158	61	22	60.3	37.9	49.1	58.1	2576	9217	1636	2689	509	1676	253	1475	.292	.393	.514	.907	140														*9*7*5*D6/3
18	Billy Wagner	1st	46	10.5%	107	24	16	28.1	19.9	24.0	34.4	854	20	1	2	0	1	0	1	.100	.143	.100	.243	-35	47	40	2.31	187	0.998	853	0	422	903.0	601	82	300	1196	*1
19	Sammy Sosa	4th	31	7.0%	202	52	18	58.4	43.7	51.0	58.1	2354	8813	1475	2408	609	1667	234	929	.273	.344	.534	.878	128														*98D/7
20	X-Jim Edmonds	1st	11	2.5%	88	39	17	60.3	42.5	51.4	57.8	2011	6858	1251	1949	393	1199	67	998	.284	.376	.527	.903	132														*8739/D
21	X-Nomar Garciaparra	2nd	8	1.8%	112	41	14	44.2	43.0	43.6	54.8	1434	5586	927	1747	229	936	95	403	.313	.361	.521	.882	124														*635/D4
22	X-Mike Sweeney	1st	3	0.7%	48	28	16	24.7	21.7	23.2	54.2	1454	5188	759	1540	215	909	53	522	.297	.366	.486	.851	118														*D*32
23	X-David Eckstein	1st	2	0.5%	28	21	10	20.8	19.0	19.9	54.8	1311	5041	701	1414	35	392	123	376	.280	.345	.355	.701	87														*64D
24	X-Jason Kendall	1st	2	0.5%	108	38	15	41.5	30.3	35.9	43.4	2085	7627	1030	2195	75	744	189	721	.288	.366	.378	.744	95														*2/79D
25	X-Garret Anderson	1st	1	0.2%	74	32	17	25.6	22.7	24.2	53.3	2228	8640	1084	2529	287	1365	80	429	.293	.324	.461	.785	102														*7*8D9
26	X-Luis Castillo	1st	0	0.0%	60	31	15	28.9	23.9	26.4	56.9	1720	6510	1001	1889	28	443	370	800	.290	.368	.351	.719	92														*4
27	X-Mike Lowell	1st	0	0.0%	40	23	13	24.8	23.4	24.1	55.1	1601	5813	771	1619	223	952	30	548	.279	.342	.464	.805	108														*53D/4
28	X-Troy Glaus	1st	0	0.0%	59	28	13	37.9	32.8	35.3	55.1	1537	5410	889	1375	320	950	56	854	.254	.358	.489	.847	119														*53D/6
29	X-Randy Winn	1st	0	0.0%	20	19	13	27.5	24.6	26.1	57.8	1717	6186	863	1759	110	662	215	526	.284	.343	.416	.759	99														*8*9*7/D5
30	X-Mark Grudzielanek	1st	0	0.0%	49	25	15	26.3	20.6	23.4	56.9	1802	7052	946	2040	90	640	133	364	.289	.332	.393	.725	90														*4*65/D
31	X-Brad Ausmus	1st	0	0.0%	80	25	18	16.4	15.0	15.7	43.4	1971	6279	718	1579	80	607	102	634	.251	.325	.344	.669	75														*2/3456
32	X-Mike Hampton	1st

[trobin31]

Chipper jones only.

Pudge was obvious juicer

[MoneyLineDawg]

Vlad should get in....At the top of his game he was more dominant than anyone on the list

Manny was crazy good but PEDs

[allabout the $$$]

only guy on those lists that is a no doubter is chipper. vlad is close any other guy that would be has ped issues (pudge, manny)

[jtoler]

Nobody who's linked to ped's. With that said even those who arnt linked you wonder if somehow they just never got caught. When I used to watch Chipper his home runs to me usually didnt look like home run swings or at least theyed look mostly like long fly outs yet would sail over the fence. Thome has to get in, I think Id scoot Vizquel in and give a serious look to Vladmir Guerrero, Damon gets a look but prob fall short. For me Id prob say Thome, Chipper, Vizquel, Guerrero(maybe).

[stevenash]

Vlad should get in....At the top of his game he was more dominant than anyone on the list

Manny was crazy good but PEDs

Loved Vlad, never met a pitch he didn't like, one hit a double off a ball that bounced up after hitting 4 feet in front of the plate,

[packerd_00]

Pudge Rodriguez,Jim Thome and Vlad Guerrero

Thome was a thumper,he's worthy.

[jjgold]

man how weak is baseball??

Most of those guys will never get in

In the future the new breed very few will have stats to get in

[d2bets]

man how weak is baseball??

Most of those guys will never get in

In the future the new breed very few will have stats to get in

You might be right because guys don't play as long now as they used to. Pitchers especially pitch less. Even with hitters, guys have their peak and then fall off. Even happened to a guy like Pujols, although he's a sure-fire HOF.

[Bcatswin]

Vlad, Chipper, Moyer, Omar.
Pudge minus the PED's

[opie1988]

This, the rest of the field is not really Hall worthy.
My man Moose gets in in 2017, no later than 2018.

Lets just leave the baseball talk to me & Nasher. We're really the only 2 that clearly have a major fukkin clue.

[stevenash]

man how weak is baseball??

Most of those guys will never get in

In the future the new breed very few will have stats to get in

Not weak, Trout waltzes into C-Town in 20 years, hate the fukk Harper but he gets there too.
Kershaw? If he stays healthy after this DL trip people might say there goes the greatest pitcher of my lifetime.

Miggy is a no brainer.

Then you got guys like Jose Altuve, most don't realize how great he is, no good, great!

5th full year now, he hit .341 in 2014, he hit .313 last year.
This year? Altuve is hitting .356 with 18 bombs and 63 RBI and 77 runs scored, with 25 stolen bases.
Are you kidding me? Those are Mike Trout numbers, he's Mike Trout at 2B.

And he doesn't strike out, and he walks, he has an absurd .425 OBA, tied with Trout.
Altuve could wind up hitting .340 with 30 homers / 100 RBI / 120 Runs scored and 40 stolen bases.

Don't give me the game is weak.
Game is loaded with talent.

Here?
Who's having a better year?

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	WAR
1	Jose Altuve	HOU	407	77	145	26	3	18	62	25	4	46	43	0.356	0.425	0.568	0.992	6.1
2	Mike Trout	LAA	374	82	117	25	2	19	66	17	1	71	83	0.313	0.425	0.543	0.968	6.8

[Grits n' Gravy]

Best player on list is Manny and because of PEDs it will be tough for him to get in.

Ditto for Rodriguez.

Vlad, Chipper, Vizquel and Posada will all get in at some point if not 1st ballot.

[jjgold]

Not weak, Trout waltzes into C-Town in 20 years, hate the fukk Harper but he gets there too.
Kershaw? If he stays healthy after this DL trip people might say there goes the greatest pitcher of my lifetime.

Miggy is a no brainer.

Then you got guys like Jose Altuve, most don't realize how great he is, no good, great!

5th full year now, he hit .341 in 2014, he hit .313 last year.
This year? Altuve is hitting .356 with 18 bombs and 63 RBI and 77 runs scored, with 25 stolen bases.
Are you kidding me? Those are Mike Trout numbers, he's Mike Trout at 2B.

And he doesn't strike out, and he walks, he has an absurd .425 OBA, tied with Trout.
Altuve could wind up hitting .340 with 30 homers / 100 RBI / 120 Runs scored and 40 stolen bases.

Don't give me the game is weak.
Game is loaded with talent.

Here?
Who's having a better year?

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	WAR
1	Jose Altuve	HOU	407	77	145	26	3	18	62	25	4	46	43	0.356	0.425	0.568	0.992	6.1
2	Mike Trout	LAA	374	82	117	25	2	19	66	17	1	71	83	0.313	0.425	0.543	0.968	6.8

Nashy stats are way down in baseball ...years from now 400 hrs will be impossible

[pavyracer]

Vlad Gurerro
Manny Ramirez
Ivan Rodriguez
Chipper Jones
Jim Thome

[The Giant]

Chipper and Omar.

I never really thought of Jim Thome as a Hall of Famer, but 612 homeruns without any PED suspicions (wink, wink), I guess he gets in, too.

[opie1988]

Chipper and Omar.

I never really thought of Jim Thome as a Hall of Famer, but 612 homeruns without any PED suspicions (wink, wink), I guess he gets in, too.

Okaaaayyyy.

Giant also thinks that Seaweed does a wonderful job here, and he's invested literally thousands in a futures bet on the Stros to win the WS.

So not really sure he's all that qualified to be giving opinions here.

[The Giant]

Okaaaayyyy.

Giant also thinks that Seaweed does a wonderful job here, and he's invested literally thousands in a futures bet on the Stros to win the WS.

So not really sure he's all that qualified to be giving opinions here.

I realize you're upset because I didn't give Ivan Rodriguez the Hall of Fame mention.

I get it, Opie. You have this strange kinship with him because you guys share the same nickname.

Your backside has been looking a little plump there lately, buddy.