Let's be real...Lebron not in Jordan's league.

[nyplayer33]

Hrs a much better physical athlete then jordan....jordan better scorer..lebron tons better athlete and defender.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

That was a 1 on 1 break where the initial defender made him hold it up and Jordan got the block. Lebron chased down what looked like a 2 on 1 and Iggy was clean and free. Lebron's block was WAY more impressive and difficult to time. If you can't see that, you're either blind with hate or don't know the first fugging thing about basketball.

Just let me know when Lebron does that in 10 years. You're right, I know nothing.

[play4win]

irving was the mvp of this finals so no

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Hrs a much better physical athlete then jordan....jordan better scorer..lebron tons better athlete and defender.

Better defender? Oh good god...time to leave now before I get really upset. You do realize that Jordan won MVP and DPOY in same year...fukkin idiots on here. I swear.

[wikkidinsane]

Opie your the man bro but this isn't the time for a post like this. First ever to lead his team from 3-1 down in the finals.

[champlain]

Dude chill out and give LBJ some props. I watched MJ so I know great he was, that's why I wouldn't put any above him but Lebron is a 2nd close. Lebron had high expectation and pressure as the chosen one right out of high school. MJ and Kobe didn't have that. Magic had Kareem to play with early in his career. Taking Cleveland to the Finals in his 2nd year the league in it self was great accomplishment. Cleveland was the joke of the league until the Lebron return, what he accomplish will never happen again in our life time.

And, dude you can give him props but you don't have to lie. He didn't get to the nba finals in his second year.

[jjgold]

I think James is a better defenders than Jordan

[SteveKerrsJunk]

I think James is a better defenders than Jordan

And that's why you are a gambling loser JJ.

[ringemup]

His block off the backboard on Iguodala is going to be THE PLAY that capped off a dominating performance in the Finals. A championship in only his second year on what was a losing franchise for a long time speaks volumes about Lebron's special talents. This win will give him even more credibility because of the level of opponent and a 3-1 deficit they overcame out of nowhere. Lot of GS backers hurting at the moment as well in the pockets.

[JayDr3am]

this thread is bullshit. you are literally trying to steal it away from lebron. get the penetrate out

[d2bets]

Nobody over 35 years old thinks Lebron is better than MJ.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

That block may be a bigger and better defensive play than Jordan has made in his career, but let's not get that confused with being a better overall defender.

[chico2663]

Dude chill out and give LBJ some props. I watched MJ so I know great he was, that's why I wouldn't put any above him but Lebron is a 2nd close. Lebron had high expectation and pressure as the chosen one right out of high school. MJ and Kobe didn't have that. Magic had Kareem to play with early in his career. Taking Cleveland to the Finals in his 2nd year the league in it self was great accomplishment. Cleveland was the joke of the league until the Lebron return, what he accomplish will never happen again in our life time.

funny thing is mj said oscar was the greatest. played when only 12 teams. you could mug someone and get away with it. ALways played for a donald sterling. But to compare mj and lebron is totally different time. Lebron would have trouble going against pistons because he cries to much!

[Eddy Munny]

Better defender? Oh good god...time to leave now before I get really upset. You do realize that Jordan won MVP and DPOY in same year...fukkin idiots on here. I swear.

Lebron can literally guard any player on the floor... His size and strength give him the nod over Jordan as a defender. Not much to debate in regards to this. Jordan also benefited from playing alongside elite defenders like Pippen, Rodman, or even Harper. Therefore Jordan didn't have to shoulder as great a defensive burden as LBJ. James more often than not is tasked with tracking the opponents' best weapon, be it a big or a wing player.

Jordan was a better scorer. He was a natural in that department. But Lebron is arguably a better overall basketball player. That's not crazy talk.

[Ratzz]

he's better than Jordan.

when Jordan left the Bulls went from 57 Wins to 55 Wins (–2 WINS)

when Lebron left the Cavs they went from 61 WINS to 19 wins. (–42 WINS)

think about that. yikes.

[chico2663]

Also was lucky enough to watch lebron lose to roger bacon in high school. great player but nobody has the competitive drive of mj.Ran into Ron harper a few years back. same class in college and he raved about mj competitiveness.

[Coach Potato]

MJ @ home watching like....

[chico2663]

he's better than Jordan.

when Jordan left the Bulls went from 57 Wins to 55 Wins

when Lebron left the Cavs they went from 61 WINS to 19 wins.

rules changed

[The Giant]

he's better than Jordan.

when Jordan left the Bulls went from 57 Wins to 55 Wins

when Lebron left the Cavs they went from 61 WINS to 19 wins.

People don't realize how much Lebron means to the team. Just look how far Miami fell off the map when he left there, too.

Your stats above show Lebron is worth 42 wins, and Jordan is worth 2.

This makes him the most valuable player in NBA history.

[chico2663]

MJ @ home watching like....

after juanita got his bank book in divorce

[Snowball]

I don't like comparing icons from different eras.
It's pointless.

[opie1988]

People don't realize how much Lebron means to the team. Just look how far Miami fell off the map when he left there, too.

Your stats above show Lebron is worth 42 wins, and Jordan is worth 2.

This makes him the most valuable player in NBA history.

Ok, well, you also keep placing large wagers on the Astros to win the World Series this year soooooo....

[stealthyburrito]

His block off the backboard on Iguodala is going to be THE PLAY that capped off a dominating performance in the Finals. A championship in only his second year on what was a losing franchise for a long time speaks volumes about Lebron's special talents. This win will give him even more credibility because of the level of opponent and a 3-1 deficit they overcame out of nowhere. Lot of GS backers hurting at the moment as well in the pockets.

I heard Opie lost a few dimes on the ML and series price

[Eddy Munny]

People don't realize how much Lebron means to the team. Just look how far Miami fell off the map when he left there, too.

Yep, and the post-Lebron Heat would still be completely irrelevant if not for the additions of Hassan Whiteside, Luol Deng, Goran Dragic, and Joe Johnson to help right the ship... and even then, they couldn't advance to the East Finals.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Lebron can literally guard any player on the floor... His size and strength give him the nod over Jordan as a defender. Not much to debate in regards to this. Jordan also benefited from playing alongside elite defenders like Pippen, Rodman, or even Harper. Therefore Jordan didn't have to shoulder as great a defensive burden as LBJ. James more often than not is tasked with tracking the opponents' best weapon, be it a big or a wing player.

Jordan was a better scorer. He was a natural in that department. But Lebron is arguably a better overall basketball player. That's not crazy talk.

I agree with your first paragraph entirely, Jordan didn't have as much pressure to defend. But it doesn't mean he wasn't the better overall defender. MJ could guard anybody on the court too, but like you said, he never had that burden. Would he have succeeded? Well, he fukkin succeeded in everything else he did on the court. MJ was a sneaky fukk as evidenced by him stealing away game 6 in the 98 finals. Michael was just so much more agile, quick, fast, he had an elegance on the court that is unmatched. And he can dunk 100 times better than Lebron, MJ had all the dunks due to his insanely large hands. If Lebron is better and played on worse teams, why are MJ's numbers superior in most every category? Quite a paradox if you ask me. Why has Lebron never won a defensive player of the year? Why has Lebron lost 6 times in the NBA finals?

[Romocide]

LeBron lucky to have Tyron Lue as his coach. MJ had nobodies coaching him

Wow. Yeah like that nobody Phil Jackson.

[The Giant]

Ok, well, you also keep placing large wagers on the Astros to win the World Series this year soooooo....

No, not large. It was a little over $200, at about +3600. Only a matter of time until my 'stros take off.

Opie, you are buried badly in this thread.

Your wife is leaving you for TT. That has got to sting!

You're coming across like a very bitter old man. It's fine, I'll get off your lawn.

[JayDr3am]

yall are idiots if you are even arguing that lebron is better than jordan or not. honestly. dumbest argument you can have.

[jjgold]

Opie you go fuk yourself and take a penetrating month off from the forum

You're nothing but a penetrating elitist

[The Giant]

Yep, and the post-Lebron Heat would still be completely irrelevant if not for the additions of Hassan Whiteside, Luol Deng, Goran Dragic, and Joe Johnson to help right the ship... and even then, they couldn't advance to the East Finals.

Lebron is a game changer. I'm not sure how anyone could argue that.

The Chicago Bulls only lost two more games without Michael Jordan. That's an insane stat.

Lebron just won a championship with Tyrron Lue as his coach.

[frostno98]

he's better than Jordan.

when Jordan left the Bulls went from 57 Wins to 55 Wins (–2 WINS)

when Lebron left the Cavs they went from 61 WINS to 19 wins. (–42 WINS)

think about that. yikes.

You talking the 1st three peat that still had a lot of good players on them lead by Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen was more then capable of carrying those Bulls team. Terrible analogy.

[captrobey]

MJ is better because he was in Space Jam and helped Bugs Bunny not have to live on Moron Mountain.

[Coach Potato]

I agree with your first paragraph entirely, Jordan didn't have as much pressure to defend. But it doesn't mean he wasn't the better overall defender. MJ could guard anybody on the court too, but like you said, he never had that burden. Would he have succeeded? Well, he fukkin succeeded in everything else he did on the court. MJ was a sneaky fukk as evidenced by him stealing away game 6 in the 98 finals. Michael was just so much more agile, quick, fast, he had an elegance on the court that is unmatched. And he can dunk 100 times better than Lebron, MJ had all the dunks due to his insanely large hands. If Lebron is better and played on worse teams, why are MJ's numbers superior in most every category? Quite a paradox if you ask me. Why has Lebron never won a defensive player of the year? Why has Lebron lost 6 times in the NBA finals?

[chico2663]

You talking the 1st three peat that still had a lot of good players on them lead by Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen was more then capable of carrying those Bulls team. Terrible analogy.

You sir are clueless. scotty came to the rockets and he sucked.The only thing he did was get a dui with that philippine prostitute. What Michael was good at doing was making people Know their roles.

[Eddy Munny]

@ SteveKerr'sJunk

Huh??? Lebron hasn't lost six Finals. He's now 3-4.

The 2007 Cavs were garbage (and Lebron was all of 22 years old).
Wade's health completely faded down the stretch in Bron's last year in Miami and faced a healthy Spurs juggernaut.
Last year he was playing with a D-league roster in the Finals.

I sometimes wonder if Lebron would have less detractors if he had just lost in the ECF a few of those years, just so his Finals win % would look better. It's an absurd notion, but it probably would quell the outcry over his losses.

I mean the guy has three rings now and people still act like he's supposed to win every damn trophy ever handed out for basketball or else it's a sign of weakness. Get real.