I consider California's impending collapse to be a warning to the rest of America

[smitch124]

what does that have anything to do with what I said?


Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're not ignorant and easily scammed. The koch brothers put money in madoff's fund lol

Dude just admit that it kills you to give one dime to people that you hate. Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare and huge overspending on defense. But there are no dark people involved there. Its OK you can admit it, come clean Brooks.

[brooks85]

Dude just admit that it kills you to give one dime to people that you hate don't legally deserve it and are costing the country a significant amount each year. Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare and huge overspending on defense. But there are no dark people involved there. Its OK you can admit it, come clean Brooks.

yes, you got me

[bettilimbroke999]

what does that have anything to do with what I said?


Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're not ignorant and easily scammed. The koch brothers put money in madoff's fund lol

Oh brooks dont ya know that government of ours would never con you....those career politicians of ours are straight arrows....that's why Democrats are so excited about raising taxes bc they know our government is gonna use that money efficiently and in our best interests....its not gonna just blow an entire SS fund on some pointless war in Iraq then borrow trillions more from China...penetrate NO...it would never do that...that's why you're better off just turning more and more of your money over to the government to manage for you...the government has always got your back...I mean for penetrates sakes its not like they would ever hold your payments hostage during a government shutdown is it I mean those funds are locked up TIGHT

Why you can tell from their savior and fellow "people lover" Obama's own words in July 2011 just how well-funded those "pensions" are (apparently anyone supporting sanely regulating immigration like every other developed country in the world are just "people haters"....I'm not even called racist anymore I apparently just hate all my fellow humans and am an evil person...that's news to me)

President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.
"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

[importmoon]

QE#3... the world is a better place to live...also thank God for the investment legislative law and those billions of $$$ from CHINA that floods into this country or what they called the Promise land... they even hired maids with them to study in Berkeley and UCLA....

[King Mayan]

I would easily pay 90% taxes If Jesus Christ would never let me live in Ohio or Memphis

[brooks85]

I would easily pay 90% taxes If Jesus Christ would never let me live in Ohio or Memphis

of course you would because you're an idiot.


also, for someone like yourself to move to Ohio you'd have to have a real job skill to give you incentive to leave. There is already plenty of crossfit gyms here, you're too late.

[grease lightnin]

^look at the when that data was taken. You're not factoring in Obama's affects on the middle class.

So you're suggesting that we went from 21% on welfare in 2012, to 49% in 2016???

[grease lightnin]

Maybe its time u faced reality that my 49% figure is accurate and probably low...although the solvency of Medicare is debateable as its a much smaller program by comparison you can rest assured the much larger of the 2 programs SS is already flat penetrating broke (7.65% withheld from your paycheck for FICA 6.2% goes to SS and 1.45% goes to Medicare)...there is a not a cent of it in existence in the REAL WORLD. It exists just as every welfare system exists....tax the ppl or borrow the money from China to pay it.

The 49% you are quoting includes ss retirement and medicare (retiree healthcare). Don't you think those should be left out for the purpose of this conversation? Plus, you are citing CNS news, a right wing propaganda rag. Get real.

[brooks85]

So you're suggesting that we went from 21% on welfare in 2012, to 49% in 2016???

is what I said?

no, no it isn't. Not even remotely close.

[grease lightnin]

is what I said?

no, no it isn't. Not even remotely close.

You said:

"^look at the when that data was taken. You're not factoring in Obama's affects on the middle class."

The data was taken in 2012.....

[dante1]

then you're not very insightful of the effects.

again a fragmented sentence that makes no sense, brooks why don't you take a first year course in English Comp. I mean really how many times have I illustrated your inability to compose using the English language? How many, a dozen, two dozen. Obviously, since I have pointed this out to you on so many occasions and made you aware of your incompetence the assumption would be that you are attempting to compose properly but you simply cannot. Get some help my friend, find the nearest jr college and enroll because you are a total embarrassment to every American capable of composing a complete coherent sentence.

Dear Jesus I thank you every day that the idiots like Brooks and Dwightie play on the opposing team. What a blessing, how would I defend these two idiots, it would be an impossible task. Carry on brooks and be thankful that my visits here are usually brief.

[brooks85]

dante hasn't change a bit


200+words replies of NOTHING lol


missed your clown show buddy

You said:

"^look at the when that data was taken. You're not factoring in Obama's affects on the middle class."

The data was taken in 2012.....

... you almost got all of the post. Try again.



and yes, that data was in 2012. Check your calendar buddy.

[bettilimbroke999]

The 49% you are quoting includes ss retirement and medicare (retiree healthcare). Don't you think those should be left out for the purpose of this conversation? Plus, you are citing CNS news, a right wing propaganda rag. Get real.

Do you remember Al Gore talkin about "lockbox" (it became an SNL skit)...well since no politician before or since Al Gore has given a shit about your retirement and since he lost (if FL did in fact elect GWB in 2000) that lockbox plan was never implemented and GWB and Obama continued with the current practice of just looting the fund completely to avoid raising taxes or borrowing more money from the Chinese.

In short there is NO MONEY...NO MONEY AT ALL IN ANY SS TRUST FUND WITH WHICH TO PAY YOU A PENSION...totally unfunded....think of SS like a furnace...you throw your money in and it instantly gets incinerated. Since any money paid to SS is instantly incinerated its best to think of the fund simply as another form of welfare bc THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCE WHATSOEVER YA UNDERSTAND. No money ever goes into the fund...your SS taxes were used to finance the Iraq invasion...so the bad news is you dont have any retirement savings set aside by SS...not a cent BUT the good news is we did spend that money very wisely by destroying establishing "democracy" in Iraq so who needs a retirement fund when you've got that

[grease lightnin]

Do you remember Al Gore talkin about "lockbox" (it became an SNL skit)...well since no politician before or since Al Gore has given a shit about your retirement and since he lost (if FL did in fact elect GWB in 2000) that lockbox plan was never implemented and GWB and Obama continued with the current practice of just looting the fund completely to avoid raising taxes or borrowing more money from the Chinese.

In short there is NO MONEY...NO MONEY AT ALL IN ANY SS TRUST FUND WITH WHICH TO PAY YOU A PENSION...totally unfunded....think of SS like a furnace...you throw your money in and it instantly gets incinerated. Since any money paid to SS is instantly incinerated its best to think of the fund simply as another form of welfare bc THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCE WHATSOEVER YA UNDERSTAND. No money ever goes into the fund...your SS taxes were used to finance the Iraq invasion...so the bad news is you dont have any retirement savings set aside by SS...not a cent BUT the good news is we did spend that money very wisely by destroying establishing "democracy" in Iraq so who needs a retirement fund when you've got that

Incorrect. The SS Trust holds US Govt Securities. Will it continue to be solvent if things stay as they are? No. But there is plenty that can be done to solve this and I am confident it will be solved.


But that has nothing to do with the percentage of Americans on welfare, so I accept your diversion as a concession.

One thing I want to add.... we have a great standard of living and things really aren't bad at all. But if all you assholes keep screaming that the sky is falling, we may fall into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck up and quit being pussies. Would the forefathers be ashamed of the state of our govt? Yes, but I believe they would be more ashamed of defeatist pussies like yourself.

[bettilimbroke999]

Incorrect. The SS Trust holds US Govt Securities. Will it continue to be solvent if things stay as they are? No. But there is plenty that can be done to solve this and I am confident it will be solved.


But that has nothing to do with the percentage of Americans on welfare, so I accept your diversion as a concession.

One thing I want to add.... we have a great standard of living and things really aren't bad at all. But if all you assholes keep screaming that the sky is falling, we may fall into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck up and quit being pussies. Would the forefathers be ashamed of the state of our govt? Yes, but I believe they would be more ashamed of defeatist pussies like yourself.

Defeatist hmm that's interesting....how bout we take a look at a graph of the national debt and try to discern what it means...note the US public debt and "gross debt"...both are skyrocketing and heading towards sky is falling levels with no plan to repay them but the term "gross debt" is interesting...its a debt the US government owes + public debt...why do you think SS would be called a debt if its funded? Hmmmmm...maybe bc that money was taken since 1983 and spent on other things...now rather than a funded pension you hold an IOU from the government but how does the government pay its IOUs its not a business so it pays them by taxing....this means that to pay YOU back it has to first take YOUR money and then give it back to YOU...keep in mind the government doesn't run a business this isnt an investment it collects tax dollars...spends twice as much as it collects and then borrows the rest...do you see any problem with this system at all...if not then we're fine and it's defeatist to discuss solutions...but if u do see a problem with having debts you cant ever possibly repay (debts already larger than the entire economy one would have to tax to pay them) and having those debts skyrocketing straight upwards then perhaps it's a problem we should deal with you braindead coward.

Note particularly the fiscal responsibility (balanced budget) from the 1940s to early 1980s....then note the dramatic change since the early 1980s...do you notice any pattern whatsoever...if just piling on 10s of trillions of dollars of debt to fund whatever the penetrate you want with no budget is the answer why not do so prior to the early 80s...maybe that's bc it will lead to inevitable collapse you moronic pussy. But dont worry just cower in your hole and let the politicians "fix it"...they're all so very good at fixing things you see...it's not like they're out there just to raise campaign money and get votes they're gonna fix this problem any year now...just keep waiting...a magical "fix" is coming you ignorant piece of shit. This chart only goes to 2010...we're already over 19.2 trillion...the debt is near vertical the last 7 years (Obama)...when is this magic fix coming....who's got the magic fix let me know so I can vote for this magician.

[brooks85]

Incorrect. The SS Trust holds US Govt Securities. Will it continue to be solvent if things stay as they are? No. But there is plenty that can be done to solve this and I am confident it will be solved.


But that has nothing to do with the percentage of Americans on welfare, so I accept your diversion as a concession.

One thing I want to add.... we have a great standard of living and things really aren't bad at all. But if all you assholes keep screaming that the sky is falling, we may fall into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck up and quit being pussies. Would the forefathers be ashamed of the state of our govt? Yes, but I believe they would be more ashamed of defeatist pussies like yourself.

lol me too


"good morning America, remember a few decades ago when we told you SSC is going broke? Well, hope your prepared. Your SSC benefits will now be cut 25-50%. Oh and your dollar is worthless now. Have a good day!"

[grease lightnin]

Betlikeyourebroke:

Ok pal. Pretend you are in charge of managing the SS Trust... you have 3 basic choices to invest in... equity (stocks), debt (bonds), or cash. What would you do?

The charts you posted re: gross debt, is something different than the ss trust balance sheet, but yes, it is troubling. An indebted global economy equals slower growth with a lot of volatility mixed in. I appreciate that you are noticing a problem, but quit with the chicken little shit.

What is likely is that technological advances will emerge that will bring about another growth cycle and we will be on the upswing again. But it's a good thing that the people we depend on to bring about these advances don't have the type of mentality you do. God, I hope they don't because if they do, we are doomed.

[pavyracer]

Welfare is killing this country. We spend yearly on welfare as much as we spend on a single battleship or a day's worth of weaponry fighting ISIS. But yeah it's welfare that is killing the economy.

[bettilimbroke999]

lol me too


"good morning America, remember a few decades ago when we told you SSC is going broke? Well, hope your prepared. Your SSC benefits will now be cut 25-50%. Oh and your dollar is worthless now. Have a good day!"

Do you hear this guy confident it will be solved....by who...God? I mean certainly not Obama he's gone from 6 trillion to over 19 during his Presidency....for penetrates sakes could you be more specific about who you are confident will solve it...I thought Obama would solve it I was very confident just like u but he over tripled it instead ...this upcoming fix of what Obama has done are u saying we should elect Bernie Sanders...is he the fixer? He is the only guy in the country that thinks socialists are too conservative...even Obama doesn't promise what this guy promises...and Obama will promise you almost ANYTHING....but u say he'll fix the problem hmmmm I have to say I'm somewhat less confident...by less confident I mean I think its more likely I hit tonights mega millions draw

[bettilimbroke999]

Welfare is killing this country. We spend yearly on welfare as much as we spend on a single battleship or a day's worth of weaponry fighting ISIS. But yeah it's welfare that is killing the economy.

Yea but Iraq got democracy that was easily worth a few trillion

But seriously of course we should cut pointless wars...now that we're in debt up to our eyeballs we will hopefully enter questionable wars more cautiously (but dont overestimate the intelligence of the idiots we have as our elected leaders)...however current estimates of Medicaid ALONE are over 600 billion dollars per year now that's alot of welfare...luckily we DONT spend 600 billion a day fighting ISIS so your #s are a little off and this is equal to the entire years military spending....again Medicaid is just one element of welfare.

[pavyracer]

Medicaid is an unnecessary expense. Poor families should not have access to healthcare. That worked very well in Africa were poor families get Ebola, Deng Fever, Malaria and AIDS. You know is going to be very cheap to treat these deceases in the US when they start passing them to the middle class and the rich.

[grease lightnin]

Do you hear this guy confident it will be solved....by who...God? I mean certainly not Obama he's gone from 6 trillion to over 19 during his Presidency....for penetrates sakes could you be more specific about who you are confident will solve it...I thought Obama would solve it I was very confident just like u but he over tripled it instead ...this upcoming fix of what Obama has done are u saying we should elect Bernie Sanders...is he the fixer? He is the only guy in the country that thinks socialists are too conservative...even Obama doesn't promise what this guy promises...and Obama will promise you almost ANYTHING....but u say he'll fix the problem hmmmm I have to say I'm somewhat less confident...by less confident I mean I think its more likely I hit tonights mega millions draw

6 to 19 trillion? Get your facts straight. Your are quoting debt held by public on your low number and intragovernmental debt as your high number, which was over 10 trillion when obama took office. Does it look good? No. But you are full of shit, my freind. Stop getting it twisted.

And fukk no I don't think Bernie is the fixer. The best fixer has dropped out because the current crop of American retards like yourself couldn't identify him. His name is John Kasich.

[jtoler]

Yea but Iraq got democracy that was easily worth a few trillion

But seriously of course we should cut pointless wars...now that we're in debt up to our eyeballs we will hopefully enter questionable wars more cautiously (but dont overestimate the intelligence of the idiots we have as our elected leaders)...however current estimates of Medicaid ALONE are over 600 billion dollars per year now that's alot of welfare...luckily we DONT spend 600 billion a day fighting ISIS so your #s are a little off and this is equal to the entire years military spending....again Medicaid is just one element of welfare.

Do you pay your medical bills without insurance?

[brooks85]

Do you hear this guy confident it will be solved....by who...God? I mean certainly not Obama he's gone from 6 trillion to over 19 during his Presidency....for penetrates sakes could you be more specific about who you are confident will solve it...I thought Obama would solve it I was very confident just like u but he over tripled it instead ...this upcoming fix of what Obama has done are u saying we should elect Bernie Sanders...is he the fixer? He is the only guy in the country that thinks socialists are too conservative...even Obama doesn't promise what this guy promises...and Obama will promise you almost ANYTHING....but u say he'll fix the problem hmmmm I have to say I'm somewhat less confident...by less confident I mean I think its more likely I hit tonights mega millions draw

lol yeah, people are going to be in for a rude awakening and the government knows it which is why they are praying to god they can hold off until the majority of the baby boomers die or become too old to fight back.

[grease lightnin]

lol yeah, people are going to be in for a rude awakening and the government knows it which is why they are praying to god they can hold off until the majority of the baby boomers die or become too old to fight back.

Brooks I wish you gave me enough rope to hang you like betlikehe'sbroke does.

[brooks85]

Brooks I wish you gave me enough rope to hang you like betlikehe'sbroke does.

I can tell by your response the idea of what I just said is scary to your psyche. Well, that is what is going to happen so better prepare.



oh wait never mind, the economy added 1 job for every 8000 Americans they just reported. Yeah, things will get better.

[grease lightnin]

I can tell by your response the idea of what I just said is scary to your psyche. Well, that is what is going to happen so better prepare.
]

Well of course that idea is scary. But your idea is not based in fact. It is provacative bullshit.

[brooks85]

Well of course that idea is scary. But your idea is not based in fact. It is provacative bullshit.

unfortunately it is, economic fact and historical.










think about this...


I'm sure you believe in the saying nothing last forever right? Even the universe won't last "forever." Why do you think the government which is in so much debt to its own people haven't learned from history? They know what is coming, they've seen it before too.


Again, as I've said many times. There is a reason the political class has been against Trump and proved they still are with this judge nonsense.

[grease lightnin]

unfortunately it is, economic fact and historical.










think about this...


I'm sure you believe in the saying nothing last forever right? Even the universe won't last "forever." Why do you think the government which is in so much debt to its own people haven't learned from history? They know what is coming, they've seen it before too.


Again, as I've said many times. There is a reason the political class has been against Trump and proved they still are with this judge nonsense.

So your argument is that nothing lasts forever, so our currency can't remain the dominant one? It has been strengthening against all other currencies the last year and a half, no less.

Do our finances look good? No. But nobody in the world looks good right now. We are like the nicest house in a shitty neighborhood.

[brooks85]

So your argument is that nothing lasts forever, so our currency can't remain the dominant one? It has been strengthening against all other currencies the last year and a half, no less.

Do our finances look good? No. But nobody in the world looks good right now. We are like the nicest house in a shitty neighborhood.

... 18 months...





no, the argument is nothing last forever yet you have hope for the government despite economic and historical data saying you shouldn't.

[SplitAces]

I will tell you this.....I do business in 7 states and our California employees are the most difficult by far. They have a sense of entitlement and want to be paid for trainings, orientations and on boarding. They complain the most, demand the most and perform the least in comparison. The state is set up to limit and stop all new business and if you somehow make it through their poorly run state offices, you will be taxed to death and from every angle.
Best states to do business......Texas and Florida. Worst and not even close...California.
Truth is spoken

I have been to California many times....every major city....California to me is like an entirely different country with different values than the rest of the country...the results of which have proven devastating to the state. The state government is drowning in debt the city governments are all either bankrupt or drowning in debt despite the tax rate being by far the highest in the nation and the unemployment rate is through the roof (3rd highest unemployment rate). The # of unemployed in California is larger than the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined. Despite the fact that California's teachers are by far the highest paid in the nation California students rank 48th in math and 49th in reading.

Businesses would be crazy to set themselves up in California as they'd be taxed right into bankruptcy....when it comes to new business creation California (unsurpisingly) ranks dead last.

Crime in cities like Oakland and LA is at epidemic levels...thinking back to a camera crew that literally got robbed of their camera equipment while trying to film the scene of a robbery for the news in Oakland.

The rich (the only ones who can afford to live in California without applying for welfare) are fleeing the states ever-increasing skyhigh tax you to death system in droves....the illegals (non-English speaking criminals and welfare abusers) who are dead broke flood in to replace them...since near zero of the non-criminals could ever hope to make enough to support themselves there of course its automatic welfare for life for them and their kids. California is a populus state with 12% of the US population living there....but contains 33% of Americans receiving TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families)....60% of students attending public schools qualify for free or reduced-price lunches.

California's response? Pour gas on the fire....not only do the same mistakes as always but double down on them...increase taxes to near communist levels...this is actually the biggest lesson to learn for the rest of America...you cant just increase taxes over and over and over and over as the answer to everything...bc eventually businesses simply get the penetrate out!

Californias seem to only worry about one thing FAGS (perhaps they are biased since SF and the rest of the state has so many)...if you're a f\*g then head to California and get AIDS (though the pharmacy in that state may run out of AIDS drugs with all the fags that live there). The legislature and population (except for the exiting rich) doesn't give a shit about it's unbelievable deficit, crime rate, unemployment rate, destroyed public education system....but if you're a f\*g it's the place to be....you could give some guy a rim job on the subway and if someone said that's disgusting are you crazy they would probably be arrested for a hate crime....if you like a big AIDS filled rooster shoved up your ass California is the state for you.

The rest of America take note of California's mistakes and its results...decide if you want that for your state and the rest of the country....we know of course overwhelmingly how California will vote in November....if your economic future is as a welfare abuser bankrupting your city/state/country and your political concerns are only about fags being able to piss allover the women's toilet rather than having to suffer through using the men's room you should vote likewise or better yet for the rest of us just move to California and expedite its total collapse as a lesson to the other 49 states.

[SEAHAWKHARRY]

I have been to California many times so you are going to have a hard time convincing me marijuana is illegal by any means in the state of California....there are medical marijuana shops in every city and to get a medical "card" or whatever they call it they have special marijuana doctors that are like 100 bucks...tell em anything (yo doc my leg hurts weeds what helps....oh well you need a marijuana card) and they approve you for medical marijuana. The tourists sales would be the only ones with any difficulty buying legal marijuana and there would be additional taxes from those sales but not nearly as much as you think....not even a ding in the deficits of either the state or major cities budgets.

Wrong
Right now there are hundreds of dispensaries but none charge state or even city sales tax
Getting 10% sales tax to the state on the sale of legal MJ would be a shock to the system Californians need . Also a stable source if tax income much needed look at what it did for Colorado it paid for the Education Budget for the State

[grease lightnin]

... 18 months...





no, the argument is nothing last forever yet you have hope for the government despite economic and historical data saying you shouldn't.

Can you rephrase this? It is very unclear.


Edit: wait, I get it. I don't have hope for the government. I have hope for people. That they will innovate and grow. I have hope for the economy. I believe ultimately Americans (not the govt) will work to solve our problems.

[grease lightnin]

Wrong
Right now there are hundreds of dispensaries but none charge state or even city sales tax
Getting 10% sales tax to the state on the sale of legal MJ would be a shock to the system Californians need . Also a stable source if tax income much needed look at what it did for Colorado it paid for the Education Budget for the State

They also made a huge investment in the parks system from this tax revenue, I believe.

[bettilimbroke999]

I will tell you this.....I do business in 7 states and our California employees are the most difficult by far. They have a sense of entitlement and want to be paid for trainings, orientations and on boarding. They complain the most, demand the most and perform the least in comparison. The state is set up to limit and stop all new business and if you somehow make it through their poorly run state offices, you will be taxed to death and from every angle.
Best states to do business......Texas and Florida. Worst and not even close...California.
Truth is spoken

Thank you sir the #s just dont lie....you dont rank 3rd in unemployment and last in new business creation in the biggest state economy in the country without a reason behind it....they will tax your ass straight into bankruptcy and who the penetrate needs that? Its hard enough to succeed in business as it is...who the penetrate wants to risk all their money and if they lose it they're broke and if they succeed have it all taken from them? I also agree the culture in California is surreal...these broke penetrates think they were born into royalty or something and need 20 an hour to flip a fuckin hamburger. When did flipping hamburgers become a 50k a year career? All this will do is make McDs and shit automate to turn a profit or CLOSE DOWN and remove more tax dollars from their welfare states pockets as well as eliminate the only jobs most dumb uneducated Californians are qualified to do. If you like California then start your business up in Florida...make money...keep your money (instead of having California say thanks for earning it and taking it from you)...and use it to buy a vacation home in California