No surprise, Tyronn Lue has the wrong game plan... again.

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  • Snowball
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    • 11-15-09
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    #1
    No surprise, Tyronn Lue has the wrong game plan... again.
    I have zero confidence the Cavs will win more than 1 mercy-game
    via NBA head office orders or Warrior intention to win the Championship
    at home.

    How in the world could any reasonable head coach think that speeding up
    is the way to beat this Warrior team ? He's already shown mismanagement
    of starter minutes, timeouts and bench.

    Now, he thinks the Cavs will run n' gun the Warriors.

    Good luck with that.

    The opposite would make more sense: Long offensive possessions, keeping
    the ball out of their hands as much as possible. Careful, quality shots.
    Draw the fouls, get to the line. Easier transition defense. Slow down the Warriors.
    Slow down the game and play zone defense, dominate inside. That's East coast
    basketball. But no...

    “Coach has given us a game plan, and we need to execute it,” James said after the June 3 practice. “If Coach feels like we need to play faster, then we do. We’ve got to push the tempo a little bit more offensively, see if we can get down, get some easy baskets and get into the flow of our game. It’s been a good thing for us throughout the whole season once Coach Lue took over, so we need to do that.”


  • paco
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    • 05-07-09
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    #2
    Cavs played fast all season which led to great open 3 looks. They can run with them. I'm sure Lue being a player and a coach knows a lot more then u snowball
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    • Snowball
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      #3
      I'm still rooting for the Cavs, but expect them to lose.
      Coaching is their achilles heel.
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      • Mac4Lyfe
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        • 01-04-09
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        #4
        I actually like the tactic. The Cav's are pretty deadly in the open court. Their half court offense is too much iso ball that allows GS to double team and strip/hack at the ball. Firm up all the defensive lapses and it should be a better game.
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        • lakerboy
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          • 04-02-09
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          #5
          This is the guy who took cavs +135 to win the chip before the finals. Didn't I tell you lue is a rank amateur?
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          • Snowball
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            #6
            Originally posted by paco
            Cavs played fast all season which led to great open 3 looks. They can run with them. I'm sure Lue being a player and a coach knows a lot more then u snowball
            Uh huh. He'll probably wear out the starters like last game.
            Push them to stay fast and get breathless. Let's see if he
            plays Channing Frye this time. Or Mo Williams. Surely Mosgov won't, right?
            I disagree with the notion that JR Smith's 3's will win for the Cavs.
            No wonder why he kept Smith in last game with a bad hand.
            The article says he thinks they need Smith to win it for them.
            All he's doing is playing right into the Warriors hands.. playing THEIR style of ball,
            playing to THEIR strengths, playing to THEIR pace.
            Paco I have Cavs for series so I hope I'm wrong.
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            • Snowball
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              #7
              Originally posted by lakerboy
              This is the guy who took cavs +135 to win the chip before the finals.
              You know full well that was when OKC was up 3-1. That bet was made expecting
              it to be Cavs vs. Thunder...then I saw the writing on the wall, when you were still
              stubbornly unloading on OKC. I had Warriors ML in Game 6 and Warriors -6 in Game 7.
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              • jjgold
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                #8
                only way to beat GSW is SLOW GAME

                Last year it worked for a while
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                • Mac4Lyfe
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                  • 01-04-09
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Snowball
                  Uh huh. He'll probably wear out the starters like last game.
                  Push them to stay fast and get breathless. Let's see if he
                  plays Channing Frye this time. Or Mo Williams. Surely Mosgov won't, right?
                  I disagree with the notion that JR Smith's 3's will win for the Cavs.
                  No wonder why he kept Smith in last game with a bad hand.
                  The article says he thinks they need Smith to win it for them.
                  All he's doing is playing right into the Warriors hands.. playing THEIR style of ball,
                  playing to THEIR strengths, playing to THEIR pace.
                  Paco I have Cavs for series so I hope I'm wrong.
                  JR needs to move around the perimeter to get open shots when they double down. His problem in game 1 was that he was standing still which made it too easy on GS defense. All their role players have to move around and cut to the basket.
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                  • The Kraken
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jjgold
                    only way to beat GSW is SLOW GAME

                    Last year it worked for a while
                    Exactly

                    Like what OKC did in games 1,3 and 4

                    Wait, nevermind
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                    • Snowball
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Kraken
                      Exactly

                      Like what OKC did in games 1,3 and 4

                      Wait, nevermind
                      Cavs and Thunder very different teams. OKC's length was a problem for GS.
                      Anyway I wouldn't hold up OKC as some type of rulestick. They lost 3 in a row.
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                      • Snowball
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                        JR needs to move around the perimeter to get open shots when they double down. His problem in game 1 was that he was standing still which made it too easy on GS defense. All their role players have to move around and cut to the basket.
                        Whatever.. all I know is Run n Gun creates gaping holes for GSW to exploit
                        in the transition defense.

                        You know what's worse about all this is Lue announcing to the media what his
                        game plan will be.

                        No coach should ever do that. Can you imagine Pop or Belichick announcing the
                        game plan before the game.
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                        • TheMoneyShot
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                          #13
                          I don't know if Lue can out coach Kerr.

                          Lebron better step up his game. Guy needs 30+ and a triple double every night if they want the Championship Belt. Anything less won't get it.
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                          • xdodger19
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                            • 11-20-12
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                            #14
                            I tend to agree with you on things, hahaha
                            Yes this coaching is horrible.
                            Jr Smith is ineffective, at least dele plays within the flow of the game
                            Guys are lost on defense
                            G state uses moving screens.
                            This is the game plan I would use
                            When G state uses a moving screen, just shove the dude,
                            I would keep doing this into the refs are forced to call a clean game
                            Would start mucking up this game so ugly like a heat vs knicks game 1997


                            Who is running the cleveland offense? The point guard needs to run this show.

                            Also Lebron James needs to get the ball on the move, and there is no reason for a skip pass
                            when there are no double teams.
                            So I would get these guys the ball with more movement,
                            Post up Love alot more, and get him the ball in his spots.
                            Mozgov should be getting around 17 minutes a game
                            Tristan Thomposon misses too many ez put backs
                            The key would be on defense I would just start the holding, and hand checking since
                            the warriors are getting away with moving screens
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                            • The Kraken
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Snowball
                              Cavs and Thunder very different teams. OKC's length was a problem for GS.
                              Anyway I wouldn't hold up OKC as some type of rulestick. They lost 3 in a row.
                              They won 3 out 4

                              In the 4 games they lost, they had 2H leads. In every game they played gs this year except game 7, they had a 4q lead.

                              So ya, okc is the rule stick for how to beat gs.
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                              • jjgold
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                                #16
                                Okl City had much better players than Cleve

                                It is why series is a mismatch
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                                • Snowball
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                                  #17
                                  The game will be interesting to watch unfold
                                  who knows.. maybe this talk is all head-fake..
                                  is Lue smart enough to intentionally mispresent his game plan ?
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                                  • irish1
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                                    • 12-25-12
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                                    #18
                                    This is how Lue draws up a play after calling a timeout. Lebron what do you want to do?
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                                    • lakerboy
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by The Kraken
                                      They won 3 out 4

                                      In the 4 games they lost, they had 2H leads. In every game they played gs this year except game 7, they had a 4q lead.

                                      So ya, okc is the rule stick for how to beat gs.
                                      Okc had length and athleticism. Warriors players couldn't get free looks. Now the cavs are more worried whether a scrub like Frye can get shots. If your nba title hopes depend on Frye you have no chance.
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                                      • irish1
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                                        #20
                                        It's a shame, this was OKC's last shot for a title. Durant did choke but in any case he is still one of the best. He will be gone in free agency and a year after that Westbrook will be going somewhere as well. Then OKC will be a basement dweller for the next twenty years.
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                                        • tony_come
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                                          #21
                                          Coaching don't win championships

                                          Talents win championships
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                                          • irish1
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tony_come
                                            Coaching don't win championships

                                            Talents win championships
                                            very true. thats why Phil Jackson is one overrated x coach. If anyone had Magic, Shaq, Koby and Jordan they would have multiple championships.
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                                            • lakerboy
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by irish1
                                              very true. thats why Phil Jackson is one overrated x coach. If anyone had Magic, Shaq, Koby and Jordan they would have multiple championships.
                                              Shaq/kobe and jordan got 1 nba title combined without phil. Just 1. That was shaq and he got that with riley. How many titles have the bulls/lakers won since phil left?
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                                              • IBetYou
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                                                #24
                                                What LeBron is doing with that quote is distancing himself from the overall strategy so that media pundits (and people on gambling forums) point the finger at someone else besides him. It's a running theme in his career, and entirely unnecessary.
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                                                • lakerboy
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by IBetYou
                                                  What LeBron is doing with that quote is distancing himself from the overall strategy so that media pundits (and people on gambling forums) point the finger at someone else besides him. It's a running theme in his career, and entirely unnecessary.
                                                  Exactly. First he made sure to point out gsw are a team ( so to infer curry is not mvp). Now he is busy saying "coach says we do". If it doesn't work he will say they tried to execute the game plan. If it works he will get all the props with a triple double.
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                                                  • Eddy Munny
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Snowball
                                                    The game will be interesting to watch unfold
                                                    who knows.. maybe this talk is all head-fake..
                                                    is Lue smart enough to intentionally mispresent his game plan ?
                                                    What advantage would that even have?

                                                    If the Cavs say they wanna play uptempo and then come out and play molasses half-court crap, wouldn't Golden State defend accordingly? It's not like they had much trouble defending that in the first game, would you expect them to just forget how because they were mentally prepared for the run n' gun?
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                                                    • Cuse0323
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                                                      #27
                                                      Kerr is AI stepping over Lue. Complete mismatch. OKC played fast, but had two bigs in the game as well that caused issues especially with second chance opportunities. They can run all they want, but GS defends the three point line very well, and their offense will keep up just fine.
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                                                      • Menses
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                                                        #28
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                                                        • The Kraken
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by irish1
                                                          It's a shame, this was OKC's last shot for a title. Durant did choke but in any case he is still one of the best. He will be gone in free agency and a year after that Westbrook will be going somewhere as well. Then OKC will be a basement dweller for the next twenty years.
                                                          Why not next year???
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                                                          • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Snowball
                                                            Whatever.. all I know is Run n Gun creates gaping holes for GSW to exploit
                                                            in the transition defense.

                                                            You know what's worse about all this is Lue announcing to the media what his
                                                            game plan will be.

                                                            No coach should ever do that. Can you imagine Pop or Belichick announcing the
                                                            game plan before the game.
                                                            Run Fast on offense so GS can't double. Get back on defense. Not sure why you think an uptempo offense means gaping holes on defense? The Cavs need to speed their offense up is all he's saying. Whenever they passed the ball into Love and Lebron, GS double teamed them. They hung onto the ball too long. Make quicker decisions to find the open guy.
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                                                            • Snowball
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                                                              #31
                                                              Love isn't even a real Center.
                                                              Everything is messed up...

                                                              move along, nothing to see here, kids...
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                                                              • DeathAdder
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                                                                #32
                                                                Could have hired Tommy Thibodeau. Lue just a glorified cheerleader/figurehead
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                                                                • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Snowball
                                                                  Love isn't even a real Center.
                                                                  Everything is messed up...

                                                                  move along, nothing to see here, kids...
                                                                  Love getting a concussion might be the best thing to happen to this team. Can someone break Kyrie's knee caps too?
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                                                                  • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by DeathAdder
                                                                    Could have hired Tommy Thibodeau. Lue just a glorified cheerleader/figurehead
                                                                    Could have had Van Gundy as well. Lebron doesn't want to be coached, he thinks he knows it all including being a GM.
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                                                                    • Snowball
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DeathAdder
                                                                      Could have hired Tommy Thibodeau. Lue just a glorified cheerleader/figurehead
                                                                      yup.
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