Sanchez/Stafford, 1 should sit a year, the other is ready..

[SBR Lou]

Sanchez and Stafford need to sit for a year before they play. It seems that most are talking as if Sanchez will be the starter next year in New York from day 1.

I agree on Stafford.

Sanchez, though, is in a much different situation. The Jets have a fair offensive line, they have a solid running back, a really tough and promising receiving TE, and some long-ball guys.

What is Sanchez going to learn for a year watching Kellen Clemens play? Clemens has started only 14 games through 3 seasons, his numbers aren't very good either. He may be entering his 4th season but he isn't someone you want to take notes from.

Whereas with Stafford, the Lions are porous, their offensive line is terrible, he'd get a beating if they threw him in to start, and unlike the Jet situation he can stand to learn some stuff from Daunte Culpepper. Daunte is said to have lost weight, looking as sharp as he has in years, and is an experienced vet.

IMO it's no question, you start Sanchez and sit Stafford for a year.

*Note- Obviously I think nothing should be 'predetermined', and that i am assuming both coaches give QB challenges and let the starter win the job, but this is just what I consider the best most likely scenario.

[daggerkobe]

Why must u start a new thread for this?

This is one of those DUH answers.

[pavyracer]

The NFL playbook is 10 times thicker than the college playbook for QB's. And Sanchez from his interviews doesn't seem to be the sharpest nail from the box.

[VegasDave]

Haha, we never seem to agree on anything Lou... I'd say the exact opposite is true. Stafford is definitely the more polished of the two and has the tools to be a first year starter, even if it is in the extremely un-enviable position of being with the Detroit Lions. The nice thing is there is no pressure; he can lose every single game and he wouldn't be any worse than the Lions were last year.

Sanchez on the other hand is a lot more raw. While he definitely has the tools to have some success in the league, he only played in 17 games in his college career, and was only the full time starter for one season. He's more of a project type of guy that could use the seasoning and learning curve of a year on the bench, especially with a team like New York where the fans will demand perfection right from the get go.

[pavyracer]

Haha, we never seem to agree on anything Lou... I'd say the exact opposite is true. Stafford is definitely the more polished of the two and has the tools to be a first year starter, even if it is in the extremely un-enviable position of being with the Detroit Lions. The nice thing is there is no pressure; he can lose every single game and he wouldn't be any worse than the Lions were last year.

Sanchez on the other hand is a lot more raw. While he definitely has the tools to have some success in the league, he only played in 17 games in his college career, and was only the full time starter for one season. He's more of a project type of guy that could use the seasoning and learning curve of a year on the bench, especially with a team like New York where the fans will demand perfection right from the get go.

Excellent post.

[daggerkobe]

I believe it was the Jets GM who said they had him look at their playbook a little bit and closed it. Then asked him questions about the plays and he answered every single one correctly. The kid isnt dumb by any means.

[SBR Lou]

Haha, we never seem to agree on anything Lou... I'd say the exact opposite is true. Stafford is definitely the more polished of the two and has the tools to be a first year starter, even if it is in the extremely un-enviable position of being with the Detroit Lions. The nice thing is there is no pressure; he can lose every single game and he wouldn't be any worse than the Lions were last year.

Sanchez on the other hand is a lot more raw. While he definitely has the tools to have some success in the league, he only played in 17 games in his college career, and was only the full time starter for one season. He's more of a project type of guy that could use the seasoning and learning curve of a year on the bench, especially with a team like New York where the fans will demand perfection right from the get go.

I agree about Stafford being more polished, but his situation is so much worse and I think he really can stand to learn from watching the way Culpepper prepares and picking his brain, observing etc.

Sanchez and Clemens will compete for the job, I don't think Clemens can beat him out in training camp. I do think Culpepper would win the job over Stafford for year one as giving Detroit the best chance of winning.

Sanchez may not have much experience but I think in the Jets situation, they have a good enough system where he can hand the ball off to a good RB, play dink and dunk here and there with an occasional long ball, and let the defense keep them in games if the offense sputters. Their defense is pretty good as is, whereas the Lions are still a trainwreck.

[daggerkobe]

I guess VD has never heard of Tom Brady or Matt Cassell.

College starts mean squat...... either ur mature enough to start or not.

[VegasDave]

I guess VD has never heard of Tom Brady or Matt Cassell.

College starts mean squat...... either ur mature enough to start or not.

I'll be the first to tell you the kid isn't dumb. He's a bright kid and he has a great attitude, part of the "tools to succeed in the league" that I referred to.

Funny that you bring up Tom Brady and Matt Cassell, who are two perfect examples of guys given the chance to learn the playbook and learn the ropes from the bench from a consummate professional at quarterback (Bledsoe to Brady, Brady to Cassell).

[jjgold]

I do not think Sanchez can throw a deep ball to well and defenses will just play him tight and pressure him.. I do not like his foot speed either.

[element1286]

Stafford had more experience running an offense in an offense, but he is playing for a bad team. Hence he should sit. Sanchez only started one season in college, hence he should sit.

[SBR Lou]

I do not think Sanchez can throw a deep ball to well and defenses will just play him tight and pressure him.. I do not like his foot speed either.

Neither could Chad Pennington.

[jjgold]

Stafford has a much strong NFL type arm and should do better. I think Sanchez is just apretty boy that was surrounded by unreal talent at USC. All USC QB's do great in college.

[jjgold]

Neither could Chad Pennington.

Yes and he got no where

[VegasDave]

Yes and he got no where

You didn't pay much attention to the Dolphins in 2008, did you?

[daggerkobe]

I'll be the first to tell you the kid isn't dumb. He's a bright kid and he has a great attitude, part of the "tools to succeed in the league" that I referred to.

Funny that you bring up Tom Brady and Matt Cassell, who are two perfect examples of guys given the chance to learn the playbook and learn the ropes from the bench from a consummate professional at quarterback (Bledsoe to Brady, Brady to Cassell).

How long did Marino, Elway, Montana, Peyton, and Matt Ryan sit to "learn"?

Then there are guys like DuMarcus Russell that sits for a year and passes for 2300 yds and completes just 53% of his passes. I guarantee Sanchez will have better numbers than this even if he starts as a rookie.

[daggerkobe]

Stafford has a much strong NFL type arm and should do better. I think Sanchez is just apretty boy that was surrounded by unreal talent at USC. All USC QB's do great in college.

Uh, Carson Palmer = Pro Bowl.
Matt Cassell = Pro Bowl worthy season.

Heck, even Rodney Peete was a starter for many seasons.

[VegasDave]

Did you really just cite four of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history as your reasoning as to why Sanchez has nothing to gain from a year on the bench?

I can't compete with that.

[jjgold]

Palmer turned into a flop, could not win

Peete could not win

Cassell never played at USC so throw him out

[daggerkobe]

Did you really just cite four of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history as your reasoning as to why Sanchez has nothing to gain from a year on the bench?

I can't compete with that.

Would u like me to name a few more?

Joe Flacco, Troy Aikman, Jake Plummer, Drew Bledsoe. The fact that many of them became Hall of Famers just makes your assertion that they need to sit to suceed even more proposterous.

[AMBlai01]

I agree about Stafford being more polished, but his situation is so much worse and I think he really can stand to learn from watching the way Culpepper prepares and picking his brain, observing etc.

I really wouldn't want my franchise QB to learn ANYTHING from Culpepper.....if anything watch Culpepper and learn what NOT to do.

[AMBlai01]

Palmer turned into a flop, could not win

Peete could not win

Cassell never played at USC so throw him out

Palmer is a flop? He hasn't had an O-line to speak of in 2 years...when he did, he was a Pro bowler. I would take Palmer any day as my starting QB.

[pavyracer]

Sanchez will be the Ryan Leaf of this decade. Mark my words.

[FreshCoast]

Both should sit,
Is Detroit going to get a LT? They didn't feel like drafting one until the 8th round. Without adequate protection Stafford will bust. I don't know how much Culpepper will help him either.

Sanchez is in a better situation, be interesting to see what happens,

but can you really trust either of these organizations the make a good decision??

[VegasDave]

Would u like me to name a few more?

Joe Flacco, Troy Aikman, Jake Plummer, Drew Bledsoe. The fact that many of them became Hall of Famers just makes your assertion that they need to sit to suceed even more proposterous.

Please show me where I made the assertion that they NEED TO SIT TO SUCCEED.

I didn't.

Plenty of QBs that sat their first year have gone on to have great careers and others have gone on to have terrible careers. Same goes for players that started from day one.

It should be taken on a case by case basis, and what is best for the player. Tons of things factor in. Obviously, all we can do is speculate from what we know from these guys in college whether we believe a year on the bench would do them good or wouldn't. It is all just speculation and educated guessing; its pretty baseless.

My opinion on these two guys based on my observations is just that; an opinion. It is no more "preposterous" then anyone else's opinion. And considering I watched every single game of Mark Sanchez's career, I don't see why I can't have an opinion on whether he is pro ready out of the gate or not.

[SBR Lou]

I really wouldn't want my franchise QB to learn ANYTHING from Culpepper.....if anything watch Culpepper and learn what NOT to do.

Fair enough, but I don't think Stafford would try to learn anything mechanics wise from Culpepper or how he actually plays, but just in how he prepares, maybe he has questions about a defensive coverage etc, little stuff and intangibles.

[daggerkobe]

Wow, VD... you interview him once and you think you know him more than the Jets.

You must've been watching some other Sanchez because I've watched every game he's started and he looks as polished as any other QB that has started as rookies. Obviously the Jets feel the same way too since they traded away the farm for him. And since they haven't signed any veteran QB they have every intention of letting Sanchez compete for the starting job as a rookie.

How about a friendly wager, VD?

I'll bet that Sanchez will have better season as a rookie starter (if he does indeed win the job) than DuMarcus Russell's 2008 season (2300 yds, 53% completion ), even though he had the advantage of sitting & watching for a season.

[BatemanPatrickl]

They will eat Sanchez alive in New York.

[L2Gunz]

Sanchez======BUST

[Live4bet]

The question should be will they both take the path of Ryan Leaf?

[VegasDave]

Wow, VD... you interview him once and you think you know him more than the Jets.

You must've been watching some other Sanchez because I've watched every game he's started and he looks as polished as any other QB that has started as rookies. Obviously the Jets feel the same way too since they traded away the farm for him. And since they haven't signed any veteran QB they have every intention of letting Sanchez compete for the starting job as a rookie.

How about a friendly wager, VD?

I'll bet that Sanchez will have better season as a rookie starter (if he does indeed win the job) than DuMarcus Russell's 2008 season (2300 yds, 53% completion ), even though he had the advantage of sitting & watching for a season.

Ok, I honestly can't do this anymore. You aren't going to acknowledge a single thing I type anyway. Next time I will keep my opinion to myself and save us all the trouble.

[L2Gunz]

[daggerkobe]

[WhatAboutMeBitch]

How long did Marino, Elway, Montana, Peyton, and Matt Ryan sit to "learn"?

Then there are guys like DuMarcus Russell that sits for a year and passes for 2300 yds and completes just 53% of his passes. I guarantee Sanchez will have better numbers than this even if he starts as a rookie.

lol, I'm glad you commented on this already Mr. Dave. Is this Dagger a female? he/she argues just like my wife. ignore the facts, cloud the issue with hyperpole

[daggerkobe]

Your wife knows more football than you?

Would not shock me, Bitch.