The game wasn't fixed. To those of you who said that, you are nuts. Are you guys actually that ****ing dumb??? Calls happen, missed shots happen, its called betting !!!!!!!! If you gotta make excuses, then find a different profession or hobby , but at least dont cry about it
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HahahahahhahaOriginally posted by BobHarvey
The intelligence on this forum never ceases to amaze. Cmon man, would you rather him go up for an uncontested dunk, or go to the line for 2 FTs? Use your head, pal. But from that post I guess you don't watch much basketball so I'll cut you some slackComment -
LOL so a guy doesn't chase his shot, and you say it's fixed because of that? Do you ever watch Lamar play? He never chases his shot, nor do 99% of NBA players. I understand you lost your bet but stop nitpicking single plays that don't give any insight on whether the game could have been fixed.Originally posted by darkside99Comment -
Have any of you guys ever played basketball before? Huge runs like this happen at ALL levels, doesn't matter if its high school, college, nba, or even the local YMCA league. Get over it.Comment -
idiots told yall to play lakers 1h -7 only they covered that one in 4 of 5 games!! they covered full game only 2of 5 times!Comment -
Vince - Basketball 101, you never foul when the game is over, just let the clock run out. What if he would have made the dunk AND got fouled for the 3 point play??? Fisher knows better than that. I don't think he was in on a fix but he let his emotions get the best of him.Originally posted by Vincepcion
Look, this game may not have been fixed by the ref's and most game are not fixed but that doesn't mean that some players aren't in on a fix or a rogue ref may be in on one. I doubt anyone would be in on a fix in a game of this high profile but these last 2 bad beats backing the Laker's is really hard to explain. I've lost around 7G's in 2 games both in the last few minutes when the line was never in doubt. I've had my heart ripped out of me before but to have it happen twice in a row and for that much cheddar makes you grasp for answers.
I'm still not over this loss. We had this chit, then we lost it with a 16-2 run (how the fuk do you allow that to happen), then we got the cover again, but the Laker's miss FT's, then we have another shot when Sloan get's T'd up, then more ft misses than Fisher fouls??? It's not the loss, it's how we lost
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You sure did... Why didn't I listenOriginally posted by dennisback
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Bob Harvey that last argument is kind of silly. What is the dunk %? 99%? 98%?
What is FT? I dunno...maybe 75%? Just a guess. I would rather the foul at that point if I were in your shoes.
But WITH THAT BEING SAID...The NBA seems to have more funky finishes concerning lines than any other sports and it will drive you completely insane. That's why I only dabble in it anymore. It's rough.Comment -
I have to disagree on this one and I play at the YMCA every day. How many times have you seen a team that is totally dominating a game for 3 quarters collapse in a matter of minutes and let the other team go on a 11-0 run, 16-2 run 2 GAMES IN A ROW???Originally posted by whatisitComment -
Have you never watched the NBA? It happens daily.Comment -
I've watched the NBA for over 30 years. I've never seen a team in that time give up 2 large leads like that. Maybe you can shed some light on it happening all the time? Usually the team making a run will make an early run in the 3rd or early 4th quarter but rarely in the last few minutes of the game when the game is clearly over and with the second team playing against the winning teams startersOriginally posted by MonkeyF0cker
Once again, it's a loss and that's gambling but for it to happen twice in a row the same way is puzzling especially when IT DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.Comment -
Really?
To quote:
"Building leads and losing them has become a pattern with the Lakers, one they vowed to correct. They lost big leads in recent games to the San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks and Philadelphia 76ers, who overcame a 14-point deficit to pull out a stunning victory Tuesday night."Comment -
Get real man. Just because you lose a bet you start bitching that the NBA is fixed? If you actually knew your stuff, you would've known that at the previous game at LA the spread was -11.5 with Lakers up by 10, and Derek Fisher had a wide open layup with 5 seconds left but decided to just dribble it out. So you say that Derek Fisher is a bad Christian? C'mon, man up.Originally posted by BobHarveyComment -
Dude... In those games they had big leads very early and lost them. These last 2 games they had huge leads LATE and lost them LATE... Huge difference. Early leads are given up all the time as teams make runs. Late blowouts then blown are very rare... The game is over, who gives a chit, except bettors.Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerReally?
To quote:
"Building leads and losing them has become a pattern with the Lakers, one they vowed to correct. They lost big leads in recent games to the San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks and Philadelphia 76ers, who overcame a 14-point deficit to pull out a stunning victory Tuesday night."
Like I said, I don't think the fix was in but it's very hard to explain a bad beat like this twice and I understand people questioning the outcome.Comment -
Huh? Read the articles.
From the first:
No, and Jackson vehemently voiced his displeasure over the approach the Lakers took, after they blew a big lead in the fourth quarter and had to escape with an 88-85 victory at Staples Center on Sunday night over a Clippers team headed back to the lottery yet again.
The second:
The 18-point, third-quarter lead the Lakers built dipped to three points deep into the fourth quarter, leaving the fans at Staples Center on Thursday night exasperated and nervous before the Lakers pulled out a 114-106 victory over the Golden State Warriors.Comment -
Monkey- I know both of those games very well as I had bet on both of the games. They are not what I'm talking about. The Clipper's and Warriors were both competitive with the Lakers then the Laker's went on a run and both teams went on runs as well. Nothing abnormal there. The Clipper's were down only like by 1 point at half and the Laker's made a run in the 3rd quarter. Clippers responded with a run of their own in the 4th. Making a run in a quarter to make up for a quarter happens. Making up 10 - 14 points are uncommon but happens but to make up +24 pt blowout leads
The difference is that the Laker's went up double digits in the 2nd THEN went up even more in the 3rd by like 24 pts then they collapse huge enough to even out the 2 big runs they made earlier. So you had the laker's with 2 big runs followed by 1 major large run by Utah instead of 1 and 1. This happened again in game 4.
The 2 games you mentioned happened over 3 weeks apart and they were not like these 2 games. 2 big runs (+10 each) very rarely get's met by 1 major run in the last few minutes of the 4th. For it to happen 2 games in a row???Comment -
The point is that the Lakers are notorious for letting up after getting a large lead. Is it any surprise that a team in the playoffs made late runs against them when their season was on the line? Those were two examples I dug up in 2 minutes of searching. I'm sure there are quite a few more, since even the L.A. press discusses the frequency of comebacks against them.Comment -
They've also been horsechit in the 3rd quarter as well. To give up +24 pt leads back to back in the last few minutes of the 4th is unheard of in the NBA. That's what was so bad of a beat for me. Yeah let them get on a mini run but to squander that many points and then for the game to go back and forth and back and forth at the end is gut wrenching. Of course if there was a team to do it it was the Lakers. I just didn't see it coming twice in a row.Comment -
Phil Jackson's job is to win games and protect his players from injuries. His job is not to cover the spread for degenerate gamblers.Comment -
This is not the first time LA blows up a good lead to start the 4th Qrtr. I think they just dont have enuff fuel to end up the games.
A team like Cleveland can sweep LA if they keep it close starting the 4th Qrtr.Comment -
Very good point and was the reason so many people went with LA in the first half. I was just too stupid to not listenOriginally posted by MonkeyF0cker
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Pavy - Kobe was in the game when they let Milsap go on a 11-0 run all by himself.Originally posted by pavyracer
He should also know that his girl and her dad are both degenerate gamblers of which you speak. Best to keep them happy as well as Jack Nic.Comment -
It happened in the Hawks game last night too. The Hawks were up 44-23 with under 4 minutes left in the 1st half. At halftime the score was 46-42 Hawks. A 19-2 run in about 3 minutes.
The run had a 4 point play (3 shooter getting fouled and making FT), followed by an instant offensive foul on the inbounds pass, followed by another 4 point play with the same shooter (James Jones).
I watch the NBA regularly, and more times than not teams come back from 14-20 point deficits regularly.
Look at the Magic series. 1st game Magic had a 17 point 2H lead and lost by 2. Second game they gave up another 17 point lead but happened to pull ahead again to win. Third game, Magic were down like 15 in the 2H and came back to tie it. Lost by 2.
It is very common in the NBA for this stuff to happen. Guys get tired, they go on streaks, they let down their guard, etc.
The only people that can fix NBA games are the refs and star players. Star players have no reason to, so it comes down to refs. And refs don't shoot free throws.
Also I've watched the Lakers this year. They give up leads a lot in the 2H. A LOT.Comment -
Why would it matter to Phil Jackson if the Lakers win by 11 or 13 points? Why the **** will he care? Do you think he is going to start the press conference after the game like this: "Not only we beat the Jazz tonight but we also covered the -12 spread. I'm proud of my players." or will he go like this: "We beat the Jazz tonight. I'm extremely upset with my players because they only won by 11 and didn't cover the spread. I'm immediately suspending Kobe Bryant for next game for allowing Milsap to score 11 points in the 4th quarter."Comment -
Always buy 2 points, I had Lakers -10.5 in my lean. I should have played on it.Bet To WinComment -
Wileout... Runs often happen in the NBA but rarely 2 - 20+ runs. The Hawks let Miami back in the game but Miami finally lost the game and the cover.
There's a big difference losing a 17 point lead and a 24 point lead. A 17 point lead was usually gained from 1 run. A 24 point lead is usually from 2 runs... How does a team make up that many points in 1 run???Comment -
sitting there watching this game with no money on the line made me smile when the lakers blew that lead because after they did that to me in gm2 i will never let them do it again. the bookmakers have the odds too high at 12 and the public keeps pounding the lakers because of their name- maybe if people stayed away and made their money earlier like i did on the hawks and nugs they wouldnt be cryingOriginally posted by BobHarveyComment -
Pavy - I can't believe you would be so naive to think that the player's and coaches all don't know what the spread is.Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
TAKE THIS ThREAD BEHIND THE WOODSHED, and KILL IT SWIFTLY. Get over it forum. Lets not act like its the first bad-beat that has happened to anybody. I stayed away just because I thought that the JAzz had more heart than the Pistons. Not because i thought a fix was imminent. Besides fixing NBA games makes no sense since everyone on the court makes more money than the could ever earn sports gambling.Comment -
and for the record, I have heard on numerous occasions both players and coaches comment after a game that "we covered for the fans as well"...Comment -
The Lakers bench is pretty weak...overated...Bet To WinComment -
2 bad beats from the same damn team back to back... Fuk em, I'm now the biggest Laker hater.Originally posted by HoulihansTXComment -
now thats a funny retort. lou will have a rival on the title of funniest postsOriginally posted by pavyracerComment -
I know that idiot ref a few years ago, got caught. But wouldnt vegas get a read on this type of shit. they monitor it like its a new-born. trust me.
---I tried to call my sportsbook to see if they released the lines yet a few weeks ago. And the operator told me that Sportsbooks arent allowed to receive phone calls from anywhere outside of it. Even if its located within a casino, the casino by State/Fed law cant phone them. Shit is on lock and Key fellas.Comment -
Why will Phil Jackson let his team go up by 20+ points and then tell them the last 5 min to shut off the engines to not cover the spread by 1 measley point? Why wouldn't he tell them to keep the game close till the 4th quarter and then push it up the last 2 min and win by 5-6 points and therefore shutter the spread for good. What if the Lakers got a steal the last 4 seconds and Kobe is running for a slam dunk? Will Phil Jackson call a timeout so the Lakers won't cover the spread?Originally posted by Mac4LyfeComment
