K-Rod Two Run Homer in the 9th

The_Kid · 04-25-09, 03:42 AM

Actually, I don't think he is better. I'm not trying to be sarcastic but I've never really been a fan of K-Rod. He didn't even have a great year last year despite him breaking the saves record. First off, the Angels put him in a great position to close games. Secondly, he must have given up at least one run in half his appearances and that makes him lucky the Angels were ahead by at least two or three runs so he'd still get the save. This was a classic example of what happened last year constantly. He'd come in, give up a run or two, and then nail the save. That's certainly not what I expect from a guy getting almost $40 million to get three outs. I'm probably just ranting now but I'm pissed the Mets left so many guys on base and then K-Rod has to screw it up by giving up a 2-run jack to their catcher.

Shortstop · 04-25-09, 03:43 AM

Perfect example why I try to stay away from Run Lines.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by The_Kid

Actually, I don't think he is better. I'm not trying to be sarcastic but I've never really been a fan of K-Rod. He didn't even have a great year last year despite him breaking the saves record. First off, the Angels put him in a great position to close games. Secondly, he must have given up at least one run in half his appearances and that makes him lucky the Angels were ahead by at least two or three runs so he'd still get the save. This was a classic example of what happened last year constantly. He'd come in, give up a run or two, and then nail the save. That's certainly not what I expect from a guy getting almost $40 million to get three outs. I'm probably just ranting now but I'm pissed the Mets left so many guys on base and then K-Rod has to screw it up by giving up a 2-run jack to their catcher.

By all means, rant away; Mets backers got hosed.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 04:23 AM

Last year in 76 appearances K-Rod gave up only 17 earned runs and 4 HRs on the entire year.

Only 5 of those 76 appearances did he give up 2+ runs.

But of course tonight

onthewhat · 04-25-09, 04:24 AM

Teams try to win the game

They do not play to cover a run line

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by onthewhat

Teams try to win the game

They do not play to cover a run line

This is a really stupid comment.

If teams try to win the game, why would they give up a home run on purpose to bring the tying run to the plate?

I'm not talking about running up a score, I'm talking about locking up the win, which is what K-Rod was TRYING to do.

This smart ass remark only works when people are complaining a team isn't running up a score in football or something to cover a spread. Trust me, the Mets and Rodriguez did not want to bring the tying run to the plate.

onthewhat · 04-25-09, 04:35 AM

Same thing with a basketball spread

How many times do u get fukked or get lucky to cover a number because team is trying to win game, not win by 4 or whatever the # is...happens way too much

Baseball is a moneyline sport

daggerkobe · 04-25-09, 10:36 AM

You were also salvaged by a miracle 2 run HR in the Sox game so u should be thanking ur lucky stars.

poker_dummy101 · 04-25-09, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

You were also salvaged by a miracle 2 run HR in the Sox game so u should be thanking ur lucky stars.

This is what I was thinking. It looks like you saved some money with homeruns in the 9th.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

You were also salvaged by a miracle 2 run HR in the Sox game so u should be thanking ur lucky stars.

As I said in my other thread, I'd have much rather lost that 1.25 units instead of won 1 unit as opposed to the Mets game which lost 2.30 units instead of winning 2 units, so the two were not created equal.

In the end, it all evens out I suppose.

Dexter · 04-25-09, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

This is a really stupid comment.

If teams try to win the game, why would they give up a home run on purpose to bring the tying run to the plate?

I'm not talking about running up a score, I'm talking about locking up the win, which is what K-Rod was TRYING to do.

This smart ass remark only works when people are complaining a team isn't running up a score in football or something to cover a spread. Trust me, the Mets and Rodriguez did not want to bring the tying run to the plate.

i lost a lot of money on the game as well, but if you truly follow baseball - how do you think what he said was a stupid comment?

the mets had a 3 RUN LEAD in the 9th inn. his focus should have been on throwing strikes, and letting his 95mph fastball do the work. sucks for us that the guy was sitting dead red, and the fastball was straight as an arrow. it would have not been smart to start messing with changeups and curves and potentially walk a hitter.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Dexter

i lost a lot of money on the game as well, but if you truly follow baseball - how do you think what he said was a stupid comment?

the mets had a 3 RUN LEAD in the 9th inn. his focus should have been on throwing strikes, and letting his 95mph fastball do the work. sucks for us that the guy was sitting dead red, and the fastball was straight as an arrow. it would have not been smart to start messing with changeups and curves and potentially walk a hitter.

With a 3 run lead, you have the luxury of the tying run not coming up to the plate with effective pitching. With one baserunner, the tying run comes to the on deck circle. With two baserunners, the tying run comes to the plate.

There is nothing strategically correct about bringing the tying run to the plate so that the game is a mere one swing away from being a tie ball game. I understand that you don't want to mess around and walk the guy, but THAT IS WHY; you don't want base runners. Rodriguez was trying to get outs; throwing meatballs over the plate to allow baserunners and extend the inning makes zero sense strategically.

This has nothing to do with my lost wager anymore. I disagree strongly that with a 3 run lead, outs are "less important or urgent because you have a cushion". That type of thinking would get teams in a LOT of trouble. Why would you tell a guy who is trained in getting outs and not putting baserunners on to be more "lax" with a lead?

Chi_archie · 04-25-09, 01:00 PM

I"m not a fan of runlines too much, but in THIS SITUATION what you said didn't apply Onner....

but yeah in baseball there are alot of times where the the run that loses your -1.5 or -2.5 will cross the plate due to some bit of indifference to that run. for instance in the late innings with 2 outs, a man gets on first down by 2. Pitcher is 0-2 on the hitter, and the runner streals 2nd..... fielder's indifference.... they are just worried about getting the batter out. guy hits a texas leaguer... runs scores its now 3-2... the pitcher gets the next man.

now if that runner's run had mattered they wouldn't have let him steal so easily and kept him close, if that run had mattered the outfielders would have been playing in and maybe caught that texas leaguer....

same thing can be said of infield positioning with a man on third and less then 2 outs in different situations.

and what herman said about covering the spread in basketball is correct too that is why I don't play spreads larger then 8 most of the time, but really try to play spreads within plus/minus 5 and buy a few points at low juice..

RogueScholar · 04-25-09, 01:02 PM

Dave's right here, this was not an issue of incorrectly handicapping potential in-game strategic scenarios, this was just a lousy performance by an over-rated closer. To suggest that this was foreseeable, even desirable by the Mets is just ludicrous.

Dexter · 04-25-09, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

There is nothing strategically correct about bringing the tying run to the plate so that the game is a mere one swing away from being a tie ball game. I understand that you don't want to mess around and walk the guy, but THAT IS WHY; you don't want base runners. Rodriguez was trying to get outs; throwing meatballs over the plate to allow baserunners and extend the inning makes zero sense strategically.

the pitch that jesus flores (not manny, albert etc) hit out was a 95mph fastball. granted it was straight, but from a baseball standpoint, i understand why he was just trying to throw strikes to a hitter like that.

from a gambling perspective, i was pissed he wasnt throwing his best pitches.

Tsoprano · 04-25-09, 01:22 PM

Runlines are evil

poker_dummy101 · 04-25-09, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

As I said in my other thread, I'd have much rather lost that 1.25 units instead of won 1 unit as opposed to the Mets game which lost 2.30 units instead of winning 2 units, so the two were not created equal.

In the end, it all evens out I suppose.

Sorry Dave, we couldnt see that in your spreadsheet.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Dexter

the pitch that jesus flores (not manny, albert etc) hit out was a 95mph fastball. granted it was straight, but from a baseball standpoint, i understand why he was just trying to throw strikes to a hitter like that.

from a gambling perspective, i was pissed he wasnt throwing his best pitches.

I honestly can not believe that any closer at a major league level, who's only job is to get 3 outs to secure a win, saw a guy that looked like an easy out and said "eh, I won't throw this guy my best stuff, it isn't worth the effort".

What is the upside to NOT throwing your best pitches?

The pitch must have gotten away from him, or been a mistake pitch. This is far more likely than just "taking a batter off", no matter how lousy that batter may be.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by poker_dummy101

Sorry Dave, we couldnt see that in your spreadsheet.

No worries, and I got lucky as hell in the Boston game so your comments weren't unwarranted anyway

Dexter · 04-25-09, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

I honestly can not believe that any closer at a major league level, who's only job is to get 3 outs to secure a win, saw a guy that looked like an easy out and said "eh, I won't throw this guy my best stuff, it isn't worth the effort".

What is the upside to NOT throwing your best pitches?

The pitch must have gotten away from him, or been a mistake pitch. This is far more likely than just "taking a batter off", no matter how lousy that batter may be.

nope - he hit the spot, flores was just sitting fastball. had no movement whatsoever.

not so much taking the batter off, but again (on a 1-1 count) just trying to attack the zone with the hitter at the plate not representing the tying run.

The_Kid · 04-25-09, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Dexter

nope - he hit the spot, flores was just sitting fastball. had no movement whatsoever.

not so much taking the batter off, but again (on a 1-1 count) just trying to attack the zone with the hitter at the plate not representing the tying run.

Yep, K-Rod threw it right down the pipe. Any major league hitter could have hit that out.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 02:38 PM

Then K-Rod is an idiot.

The_Kid · 04-25-09, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

Then K-Rod is an idiot.

I kept watching the replay on ESPN. It was a complete joke.

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by The_Kid

I kept watching the replay on ESPN. It was a complete joke.

K-Rod: "Wait, so if I bet the Nationals +1.5 I bet 10000 to win 10000? That sounds easy enough"

Willie Bee · 04-25-09, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

I honestly can not believe that any closer at a major league level, who's only job is to get 3 outs to secure a win, saw a guy that looked like an easy out and said "eh, I won't throw this guy my best stuff, it isn't worth the effort".

Several factors play into this and agree with you about Rodriguez was giving the effort regardless of the hitter. Just seems obvious he either didn't locate right or get any expected movement on the pitch. But I also think K-Rod wasn't really thinking about this being a guy that could take him deep and ruin the win. Was he 'pitching to contact,' get Flores to just hit it at someone? What was the input from the bench on the pitch? How were they playing that particular pitch? In the end, he just served a fatty up and the baseball gods saw fit to bless Flores with a dramatic, 9th-inning homer. Happens several times a week, or so it seems.

xmrblueduckyx · 04-25-09, 06:17 PM

i hate the mets, as i am a die-hard phillies fan. but i took them -1.5 and the suck ass k-rod cant even close a 3 run lead for 3 outs. what a joke. different team, same ol' mets. haha

Reno Gambler · 04-25-09, 06:30 PM

I'm a Angel fan

Get used to it!! Its always stomach turning when K-Rod comes in. Its never an easy inning!!

InTheHole · 04-25-09, 06:55 PM

runlines and pucklines...sucker bets most of the time

Vonnegut · 04-25-09, 06:58 PM

Real classy avatar you got there.

nosniboR11 · 04-25-09, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

This is a really stupid comment.

If teams try to win the game, why would they give up a home run on purpose to bring the tying run to the plate?

I'm not talking about running up a score, I'm talking about locking up the win, which is what K-Rod was TRYING to do.

This smart ass remark only works when people are complaining a team isn't running up a score in football or something to cover a spread. Trust me, the Mets and Rodriguez did not want to bring the tying run to the plate.

always doing that on purpose, idiot

VegasDave · 04-25-09, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by nosniboR11

always doing that on purpose, idiot

I get that you don't like me due to the fact that I somehow gravely offended you with an offhand remark that people would still be NFL fans if the Super Bowl was held in London.

Does this really mean I can look forward to you following me thread to thread and calling me names? Wonderful.

onthewhat · 04-26-09, 10:34 AM

Never seen a guy get on tilt for losing a fictional bet