Mass shooting in San Bernardino CA--up to 12 dead so far

[ACoochy]

The loser Obama talking about gun control and not terrorism

He continues to protect Muslims

Obama smarter than anyone here could begin to fathom...

He knows its all about what you dont see and not the sound bytes that exist in front of him...

[JIBBBY]

Obama smarter than anyone here could begin to fathom...

He knows its all about what you dont see and not the sound bytes that exist in front of him...

I'd like to think that, and maybe he supports the Muslims and treads lightly with the Arab extremists to protect terrorist attacks from happening here in America on his watch.. Not sure I'm buying that though?..

Obama does has advisors but who really knows what these Presidents are doing and saying and for what political posturing reason?

[jjgold]

American cannot wait until he leaves office

[pavyracer]

The moral of the story is to not invite Muslims to a Christmas party and serve baked ham. You don't know when they will snap and shoot you with machine guns.

[ACoochy]

American cannot wait until he leaves office

Of course...

For a country founded on racism and slavery thats to be expected...

Says alot about the lack of progress made as a whole...

[pavyracer]

I'd like to think that, and maybe he supports the Muslims and treads lightly with the Arab extremists to protect terrorist attacks from happening here in America on his watch.. Not sure I'm buying that though?..

Obama does has advisors but who really knows what these Presidents are doing and saying and for what political posturing reason?

You can't play the chicken game with terrorists. Take Putin for example. They bombed the Russian airliner and he send 25 strategic bombers with cruise missiles and leveled their town. They shot his bomber plane and he firebombed their village. Obama should bomb Pakistan and Saudi Arabia..home countries of the two shooters.

[ACoochy]

You can't play the chicken game with terrorists. Take Putin for example. They bombed the Russian airliner and he send 25 strategic bombers with cruise missiles and leveled their town. They shot his bomber plane and he firebombed their village. Obama should bomb Pakistan and Saudi Arabia..home countries of the two shooters.

Why dont you mention the number of civilians that were killed?

Its not like they had a choice to leave under ISIS rule...

[JIBBBY]

You can't play the chicken game with terrorists. Take Putin for example. They bombed the Russian airliner and he send 25 strategic bombers with cruise missiles and leveled their town. They shot his bomber plane and he firebombed their village. Obama should bomb Pakistan and Saudi Arabia..home countries of the two shooters.

Good point.. I'm all in favor of bombing the hell out em all.. Rid the threat or send them running for cover or into hiding.. A show of superior fire power is always the equalizer...

I appreciate Putin in that regard.. Don't mess or else...

[The Kraken]

Of course...

For a country founded on racism and slavery thats to be expected...

Says alot about the lack of progress made as a whole...

Pretty much spot on

[pavyracer]

Why dont you mention the number of civilians that were killed?

Its not like they had a choice to leave under ISIS rule...

Actually the civilians have a choice. Revolt against ISIS and fight them. We gave arms to Kurdish civilians in Kobani and they kicked ISIS out of town.

[ACoochy]

Actually the civilians have a choice. Revolt against ISIS and fight them. We gave arms to Kurdish civilians in Kobani and they kicked ISIS out of town.

You make it sound like the civilians were earning over a Million Dollars a day from selling oil...

Its not like a chance was given to these civilians to rid themselves of these isis minnows before putin went all asbergers on them...

[JIBBBY]

If you live around a bunch of murderers and Islamic extremists expect bad things to happen to you and family or even death.. You have a choice to rebel and fight for your home land.. Innocent people always die in these regards... This is not a perfect or just world we live in and innocent people die in war.. It's the ugly truth..

When bombing the need of the many (the free world) out weigh the need of the few..

[ACoochy]

If you live around a bunch of murderers and Islamic extremists expect bad things to happen to you and family or even death.. You have a choice to rebel and fight for your home land.. Innocent people always die in these regards... This is not a perfect or just world we live in and innocent do people die in war.. It's the ugly truth..

Wonder if youd think the same if you lived under isis rule?

Good luck trying to leave. They'd not only kill you but your entire family just to send a message to anyone else who would think the same..

If history has taught us anything it's always that the innocent will pay the biggest price when it comes to conflict...

[JIBBBY]

Wonder if youd think the same if you lived under isis rule?

Good luck trying to leave. They'd not only kill you but your entire family just to send a message to anyone else who would think the same..

If history has taught us anything it's always that the innocent will pay the biggest price when it comes to conflict...

I'd rebel and or die trying.. I don't even think I'd flee.. I would not like it though.. I wouldn't be upset either if Russia, France or America were dropping big bombs to destroy ISIS around me.. It would be a wake up call for freedom fighters to make a stance against Isis finally and forcefully....

It's called a revolution.. It happens in just about every Country through out history and needs to happen in the Middle East now....

[ACoochy]

I'd rebel and or die trying.. I don't even think I'd flee.. I would not like it though.. I wouldn't be upset either if Russia, France or America were dropping big bombs to destroy ISIS around me.. It would be a wake up call for freedom fighters to make a stance against Isis finally and forcefully....

It's called a revolution.. It happens in just about every Country through out history and needs to happen in the Middle East now....

Easy to say behind a keyboard...

Too bad reality is a completely different beast...

[JIBBBY]

Easy to say behind a keyboard...

Too bad reality is a completely different beast...

True..

[Slick Lizard]

Stricter gun laws is where it's at and not taking away guns could work.. For example:

1) If you are in possession of any firearm and it's not registered, you automatically get 5 years in prison period..

2) If you're a felon in possession of a firearm for any reason you get 20 years in prison period..

3) A firearm used and not fired in any crime you automatically get LIFE in prison with parole..

4) You use a fire arm in a crime you get life without parole or death..

I'd be on board with that in every State.. Might make the criminals, terrorists and thugs think twice before packing or purchasing an illegal fire arm.. Stiffer guns laws in every State would certainly help...

A quick question. When I was 20 I was convicted of a felony (Poss of Stolen Property). I did not steal the items (airtight alibi) I simply bought them without the knowledge that they were stolen. After several years of greasing the right wheels, I am no longer a felon. However, during those years I owned and carried firearms. I was never prosecuted for any firearm charge during those years (I still foot the bill for a catered dinner at the local golf course restaurant for the sheriffs dept Christmas party every year). Do you think I should have gotten a mandatory 5 years for simply possessing a firearm with which to protect my family if I never used one in the commission of a crime? Just looking at your proposed laws from my own point of view and I don't like it considering the fact that I have never been convicted of any violent crime ever but I was once a felon because I couldn't tell them who sold me the items.

[JIBBBY]

A quick question. When I was 20 I was convicted of a felony (Poss of Stolen Property). I did not steal the items (airtight alibi) I simply bought them without the knowledge that they were stolen. After several years of greasing the right wheels, I am no longer a felon. However, during those years I owned and carried firearms. I was never prosecuted for any firearm charge during those years (I still foot the bill for a catered dinner at the local golf course restaurant for the sheriffs dept Christmas party every year). Do you think I should have gotten a mandatory 5 years for simply possessing a firearm with which to protect my family if I never used one in the commission of a crime? Just looking at your proposed laws from my own point of view and I don't like it considering the fact that I have never been convicted of any violent crime ever but I was once a felon because I couldn't tell them who sold me the items.

Well maybe you shouldn't have been in possession of a fire arm while being labeled unjustly as a felon.. Not the end of the world if you have to do without until you free up your name.. Arm yourself and protect your family with a sharpened Samurai sword, Tazer and or stun gun, bow and arrow gun, or even a high powered potato gun instead..

Obviously the stricter gun laws would have to be defined much more in depth then I suggested...

[The Kraken]

A quick question. When I was 20 I was convicted of a felony (Poss of Stolen Property). I did not steal the items (airtight alibi) I simply bought them without the knowledge that they were stolen. After several years of greasing the right wheels, I am no longer a felon. However, during those years I owned and carried firearms. I was never prosecuted for any firearm charge during those years (I still foot the bill for a catered dinner at the local golf course restaurant for the sheriffs dept Christmas party every year). Do you think I should have gotten a mandatory 5 years for simply possessing a firearm with which to protect my family if I never used one in the commission of a crime? Just looking at your proposed laws from my own point of view and I don't like it considering the fact that I have never been convicted of any violent crime ever but I was once a felon because I couldn't tell them who sold me the items.

Legally speaking, yes, you should have been prosecuted for carrying a firearm as a convicted felon. A judge could take anything else into consideration and reduce your sentence or grant leniency.

But I certainly don't think you buying a bunch of fat fukking pigs dinner once a year is going to buy you any grace in the courtroom. Judges can't stand cops

[brooks85]

Obama smarter than anyone here could begin to fathom...

He knows its all about what you dont see and not the sound bytes that exist in front of him...

lol

[Slick Lizard]

Now the stance is that I should have simply not had a firearm during these years. My next question is: if my home was the target of a home invasion robbery, are my children more expendable than yours because I had the bad luck of buying a few stolen items at a trade day and the further bad luck to get a da, judge and jury that thought that my guilt was proven because I couldn't provide a full name and vitals stats for the guy at the trade day. I have been vindicated now but my family could be just as dead because I was forced to try to fight them off with a frying pan and rolling pin.

[Slick Lizard]

It doesn't matter what a judge thinks because you don't make it to the courtroom without an arrest.

[brooks85]

Well maybe you shouldn't have been in possession of a fire arm while being labeled unjustly as a felon.. Not the end of the world if you have to do without until you free up your name.. Arm yourself and protect your family with a sharpened Samurai sword, bow and arrow, or even a high powered potato gun instead..

Obviously the stricter gun laws would have to be defined much more in depth then I suggested...

dangerous line of logic you're going down jibby.

[Boner_18]

Unfortunate deaths. Worth it for our freedom.

[JIBBBY]

Now the stance is that I should have simply not had a firearm during these years. My next question is: if my home was the target of a home invasion robbery, are my children more expendable than yours because I had the bad luck of buying a few stolen items at a trade day and the further bad luck to get a da, judge and jury that thought that my guilt was proven because I couldn't provide a full name and vitals stats for the guy at the trade day. I have been vindicated now but my family could be just as dead because I was forced to try to fight them off with a frying pan and rolling pin.

I can think of other weapons for home defense other then a gun.. Use your imagination.. I mentioned this in an above post.. Tazer guns, pepper spray guns, high powered bow and arrow bolt guns, sharpened swords, stun grenades, high powered beanbag shot guns, etc.. List goes on and on.. http://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore...e-weapons-c=36

[Slick Lizard]

That will fit nicely in my nightstand drawer. Does it come in a model with a 12 round clip assuming that I'm dealing with more than one intruder?

[Slick Lizard]

My point in all of this is that you are perfectly willing to sacrifice my family's safety so that you can feel safer about your family. Why can we not each worry about the safety of our own families instead of trying to dictate how I should live. Do you think that my having a gun made the streets any more dangerous? If not, then why should I be told that I can't have a gun? Why is your perceived safety any more valuable than mine?

[Grits n' Gravy]

The loser Obama talking about gun control and not terrorism

He continues to protect Muslims

It is called not sending the public into a frenzy until you have the facts.

The people screaming the loudest for war are the ones who will never and have never been in the military.

[ACoochy]

Unfortunate deaths. Worth it for our freedom.

And what about domestic terrorists then?

Aaahhh Boston bomber...

Suppose, lockdown is worth it if theres a guy running around blowing innocent people up...

[JIBBBY]

That will fit nicely in my nightstand drawer. Does it come in a model with a 12 round clip assuming that I'm dealing with more than one intruder?

No, but it can hang on your wall next to your bed already loaded and ready to go.. Can even mount 2 of them ready to grap and fire on demand.. Can start throwing flash grenades after that and charge with a sword then after.. Chop sewey and make it personal..

Guns are obviously the best choice for home defense but other weapons can do the trick also if need be..

[Boner_18]

Speaka engrish?

[Grits n' Gravy]

Banning guns will never be a practical solution. There are already laws in place for felons to go back to prison if caught with a gun and it isn't a deterrent. I don't think there will ever be a solution that will appease the majority. Too much money to be made off of death, incarceration, medical and weapon sales. I have a proposal that would stop most people from owning a gun.

Any adult is free to legally own a gun provided they agree to get shot with that gun in an area of body where there are no vital organs. Bet the line at store would be as short as the list of women jj has slept with. Anyone in possession of a gun that didn't get it through my system goes straight to prison for 2 years. No trial. It is a very stupid proposal much like everything written and/or said about gun control legislation.

[Slick Lizard]

We have finally made it. Last question.

Why should I have to defend myself with inferior (you just called every other weapon inferior to a gun) weaponry when I have done nothing wrong and am not making the streets more dangerous with my armed presence?

[ACoochy]

Banning guns will never be a practical solution. There are already laws in place for felons to go back to prison if caught with a gun and it isn't a deterrent. I don't think there will ever be a solution that will appease the majority. Too much money to be made off of death, incarceration, medical and weapon sales. I have a proposal that would stop most people from owning a gun.

Any adult is free to legally own a gun provided they agree to get shot with that gun in an area of body where there are no vital organs. Bet the line at store would be as short as the list of women jj has slept with. Anyone in possession of a gun that didn't get it through my system goes straight to prison for 2 years. No trial. It is a very stupid proposal much like everything written and/or said about gun control legislation.

Yeah dont ban all guns just the assault rifles and automatic weaponary...

What practical use would that have over a low powered shotgun when it comes to personal protection?

They'll both do the same thing ie neutralize your opponent...

[JIBBBY]

We have finally made it. Last question.

Why should I have to defend myself with inferior (you just called every other weapon inferior to a gun) weaponry when I have done nothing wrong and am not making the streets more dangerous with my armed presence?

I own a gun too.. I understand.. I was involved in a home robbery attempt recently and I felt much safer trying to confront the intruder with my loaded .357 snub nose in the middle of the night... It's the none responsible gun owners that is ruining it for us all..