Mass shooting in San Bernardino CA--up to 12 dead so far

[Slick Lizard]

You sound very reasonable, I would feel safe with you in a movie theater

Do you own amy body armor?

No body armor but I do have a helmet that I wear whenever my wife insists that I let her drive.

[KVB]

KVB.... those that choose to radicalize have standing orders to commit homicidal acts from those said groups you infer, nothing need be specific for the lone wolves or their accomplices to perpetrate what those groups themselves would consider terrorism. They care not if it's at the workplace or the local stadium, those semantics/logistics mean nothing (nor if they gave the direct order); as long as a component involves an overall sympathy for the religious cause/mandate.

Indeed, investigating authorities have made it clear they don't consider "workplace violence" and "terrorism" to always be (by definition) mutually exclusive; it's one of the reasons both concepts are still in play.

Many reasonable people can put forth the notion that Fort Hood, say, was both... regardless if Obama and others refused to label it as such or not.

Agreed. My post pretty much refers to what it takes to get an act labeled terrorism by the mass media. They seem to reserve the term for more coordinated, pre planned attacks by organized well known groups as opposed to lone sympathizers. On a national level they likely won't acknowledge "standing orders" as a credible threat using the excuse that it is not specific.

In court and with law enforcement it's a whole different ballgame but there seems to be special care as to what gets labeled what when it comes to the news script.

I don't see how Fort Hood is anything but an act of war. It was an attack on a military installation...troops were being deployed to a war zone from there.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Take a deep breath, MS ^^... and just think about taking a nice long hit off a mons veneris shaped bong.

Ahhh... now THAT'S soothing.

Guaranteed to take your mind off all the fukked up things going on in the world.....

Personally, I'm staying calm... and just waiting for pronk to come along and swear that the San Bernardino police chief played Ariana Grande's dad in a SAM AND CAT episode.

[kidcudi92]

Take a deep breath, MS ^^... and just think about taking a nice long hit off a mons veneris shaped bong.

Ahhh... now THAT'S soothing.

Guaranteed to take your mind off all the fukked up things going on in the world.....

Personally, I'm staying calm... and just waiting for pronk to come along and swear that the San Bernardino police chief played Ariana Grande's dad in a SAM AND CAT episode.

That wasn't him? Shit!

[sourtwist]

He was radicalized over the past year becoming very religous, wearing traditional Muslim clothing, and growing out his beard. This was also carefully planned with multiple accomplices and strict precision. Clearly terrorism. The mainstream media will try and spin this as workplace violence in order to protect the Obama Administration push to bring in more and more refugees

Not only will the mainstream media spin this, they also have the support of fukking idiotic Americans who will believe them. The liars in power have brainwashed most of the public, and are so good at it that the people who are awake are the small minority.

[sourtwist]

They now believe it's just 2 shooters....Woman killed in the SUV was identified as the man shooter's girlfriend

So yeah girlfriend could have just been along for the ride meaning workplace dispute is still possible....Obviously terrorism has not been ruled out

3rd man seen running from apartment complex not positive to be involved...still questioning him

All according to San Bernadino Police Chief

Expect their story to change by the minute. Your tone in this post shows that you are falling for the changes in story. Everyone saw three, now they are trying to take one out of the equation. Pay attention.

[sourtwist]

Well, to be fair, the shooting just happened hours ago, and 2/3 suspects are dead

It's an ongoing investigation at this point, no one likely knows yet what the motive was

But regardless, to me its all semantics. 14 people were shot and killed, so to me its terrorism. But I don't the the POTUS has that same luxury to be so non-chalant with his words

Obama will not condemn this

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Sour I was sure you would call false flag on this.

[kidcudi92]

Farhan Khan (centre), brother-in-law of San Bernardino, shooting suspect Syed Farook, speaks at the Council on American-Islamic Relations during a news conference in Anaheim, California.


Oh look, CAIR.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/uae-doubles-down-designation-cair-terrorists

Anyways

[sourtwist]

Sour I was sure you would call false flag on this.

It's very possible

Hundreds of FBI and special police vehicles on scene in minutes... Lawn chairs and coolers... Business as usual.

[itchypickle]

It's very possible

Hundreds of FBI and special police vehicles on scene in minutes... Lawn chairs and coolers... Business as usual.

It's within spitting distance of LA ....tons of fed and all law enforcement in the region so not that unheard of to roll on scene fast at the time of the scanner well before news producers get the story on air though. Context Sour.....context buddy.

[paco]

Planned parenthood shooter not terrorist because white Christian
this shooter terrorist cause middle eastern.

So if this man was white Christian it would have been just workplace violence?

[Optional]

Planned parenthood shooter not terrorist because white Christian
this shooter terrorist cause middle eastern.

So if this man was white Christian it would have been just workplace violence?

For sure.


But this group he takes in front of the media when making his statement is a bit sus...

[sourtwist]

It's within spitting distance of LA ....tons of fed and all law enforcement in the region so not that unheard of to roll on scene fast at the time of the scanner well before news producers get the story on air though. Context Sour.....context buddy.

There were active drills nearby. Context buddy, context. There are videos of a camper with an awning and beach chairs with coolers underneath within minutes.

[kidcudi92]

Good "CAIR" read.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6176

CAIR was co-founded in 1994 by Nihad Awad, Omar Ahmad, and Rafeeq Jaber, all of whom had close ties to the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), which was established by senior Hamas operative Mousa Abu Marzook and functioned as Hamas’ public relations and recruitment arm in the United States. Awad and Ahmad previously had served, respectively, as IAP's Public Relations Director and President. Thus it can be said that CAIR was an outgrowth of IAP.

[Russian Rocket]

Baccari described Farook as reserved and said he showed no signs of unusual behavior. Earlier this year he traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a wife, later growing a beard, Baccari said.

[ByeShea]

So if this man was white Christian it would have been just workplace violence?

The men were not white Christians. Stick to the facts.

[paco]

The men were not white Christians. Stick to the facts.

Why aren't they calling the planned parenthood shooter a terrorist?

[ByeShea]

Why aren't they calling the planned parenthood shooter a terrorist?

They're calling that guy a lot of things, including terrorist. Very easy to Google.

[paco]

They're calling that guy a lot of things, including terrorist. Very easy to Google.

Why are there not white Christian leaders condemning the attack? A Muslims commits an act and whole religion is criticized and everyone is wanting all 1.7 billion Muslims to continue to say sorry for
something they had nothing to do with.

carry on

[SEAHAWKHARRY]

There are
Christian fundamentalists
Muslim fundamentalists
Both are fukked up
And in those there are extremely dangerous people who want war and mayhem

Both should be extinguished
Without mercy
And I'm a Christian but enough is enough
There are good Muslims and good Christians focus on the wackos in each religion not the religion itself

[itchypickle]

There were active drills nearby. Context buddy, context. There are videos of a camper with an awning and beach chairs with coolers underneath within minutes.

Those go on monthly all over the country though....it's called training. I mean it's just contingency planning...since it needs coordination among multiple agencies.

Think about this...we hear about all the arrests here and there of terror suspects....FBI using under covers to bring out people trying to buy explosives and shitt....active investigations going on in all 50 states.....so I hope if they are investigating Akbar in Cleveland and suddenly Malik in Cincinatti blows up a bar....you wouldn't say oh it's a false flag...Feds had agents on Ohio same day...conspiracy. That's all I'm saying.

I'm the first to tell anyone the whole ISIS vs Nusra vs Turkey vs PKK vs YPG vs Assad is all a big charade from what we get out of the news ....but bad people do do bad things so not everything is s govt made conspiracy

[MoeSedway]

Why are there not white Christian leaders condemning the attack? A Muslims commits an act and whole religion is criticized and everyone is wanting all 1.7 billion Muslims to continue to say sorry for
something they had nothing to do with.

carry on

At least you're conceding that the attackers were Muslims and not rolling with the usual "Jewish Mossad agents disguised as Muslims committed this attack to make Muslims look bad and ramp up Islamophobia" shtick.

Progress, Paco.

[The Kraken]

Both shooters must be called terrorsists and condemned by all

i dont really see any middle ground

[Kermit]

I read this all may have started because there was ham being served at this party?

Ham seems like a crazy reason to say goodbye to your new 6 month old baby and convince your wife to go on a shooting spree.

[TheSideBet]

I read this all may have started because there was ham being served at this party?

Ham seems like a crazy reason to say goodbye to your new 6 month old baby and convince your wife to go on a shooting spree.

Yea I'm not buying all of these little excuses that keep popping up from out of nowhere. They had the weapons and gear, baby dropped off that morning, also had the explosive devices on hand even had one tied to a remote control car that they set out to be moved and exploded. This was all planned well before anything upset him at the party.

[Kermit]

Yea I'm not buying all of these little excuses that keep popping up from out of nowhere. They had the weapons and gear, baby dropped off that morning, also had the explosive devices on hand even had one tied to a remote control car that they set out to be moved and exploded. This was all planned well before anything upset him at the party.

Yeah, this was definitely planned out well in advance. You can't do all of that shit in 10 to 30 minutes.

[jjgold]

They were not part of an organization but was terrorism

Basically his own cell ....he and his wife

[sourtwist]

I read this all may have started because there was ham being served at this party?

Ham seems like a crazy reason to say goodbye to your new 6 month old baby and convince your wife to go on a shooting spree.

Your sources suck

[THam12]

Its a shame that radicals exist... In every form really.
Christian, Muslim, etc...
Why do people have to think on the extreme?
Can noone remember the saying "agree to disagree" and fukking live your life and believe what you wanna believe?

[Kermit]

Your sources suck

It was posted in a few off the wall sites. Didn't sound very reliable anyways.

At least they are not claiming that it a false flag though talking about lawn chairs and shit.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

At least they are not claiming that it a false flag though talking about lawn chairs and shit.

[Russian Rocket]

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[jjgold]

They had go pro cameras

I wonder if they uploaded video somewhere?

Strange

[KingJD31]

3 white males

THIS is why monitoring NEEDS to happen...

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