Why Is Ohio St Top 5?

[sjm5122]

They play cupcakes and have rarely looked impressive. Teams with schedules as easy as theirs have to be held accountable for looking sluggish against garbage teams.

The argument that they are returning champs and that holds weight is stupid. This is a new season and they should be judged off this year alone.

[d2bets]

Are they not undefeated? At the moment.

[sjm5122]

They are, but that is the logic that I think is so flawed. They have played nobody, and its not like they look great against the scrubs they play either. Plenty of 1 loss teams who should be above them.

[jjgold]

One of these teams will knock them off

[pavyracer]

You play who is on your schedule. Not OSUs fault Big Ten sucks.

[sjm5122]

You play who is on your schedule. Not OSUs fault Big Ten sucks.

Nonconference of NIU, Hawaii, and vtech? Not to mention youre ignoring half my argument which is if youre going to play scrubs, you should be expected to win convincingly.

[pavyracer]

Nonconference of NIU, Hawaii, and vtech? Not to mention youre ignoring half my argument which is if youre going to play scrubs, you should be expected to win convincingly.

Who did Alabama schedule off conference?

[sweep]

Who cares what the rankings are, our job is to pick off good numbers.

We are gamblers men, rankings/ratings are for suckers

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Who did Alabama schedule off conference?

Wisconsin isn't a bad team, Pavy. Atleast 1/4 OOF games was/is against a decent squad.

[pavyracer]

Wisconsin isn't a bad team, Pavy. Atleast 1/4 OOF games was/is against a decent squad.

Wisconsin at home is worse than Virginia Tech on road. Check game spreads.

[sjm5122]

Who did Alabama schedule off conference?

Wisconsin? Who is better Anyone osu has played. And the rest of alabamas schedule is much more difficult than OSUs as well

[sjm5122]

Also OSU was losing at HT to vtech but their qb sat out second half due to injury

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Wisconsin at home is worse than Virginia Tech on road. Check game spreads.

I would say they are comparable. I guess you have a point.

Wisconsin is a better team in general though.

Tech has one FBS home win all year.

[pavyracer]

I would say they are comparable. I guess you have a point.

Wisconsin is a better team in general though.

Tech has one FBS home win all year.

The way the playoff 4 system is set up you don't gain anything by scheduling tough opponents out of conference. My point is what OSU is doing Alabama is doing too.

[swordsandtequila]

The way the playoff 4 system is set up you don't gain anything by scheduling tough opponents out of conference. My point is what OSU is doing Alabama is doing too.

Wrong. That's the OP's point, schedule does matter. Scheduling cupcakes out of conference is supposed to hurt you, at least according to the numbnuts on the ranking committee. But we all know better, TV rules.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

The way the playoff 4 system is set up you don't gain anything by scheduling tough opponents out of conference. My point is what OSU is doing Alabama is doing too.

I didn't realize that. Wtf? Is there seriously no value is scheduling tough OOC games?

Hypothetical: If it came down to two power conference teams with the one loss jockeying for a #4 seed, wouldn't the committee pick the team with an impressive OOC win over the team without one?

Just seems absurd and bad for the game in general that the new system would deemphasize the importance of OOC schedule relative to the admittedly flawed BCS.

[d2bets]

Also, OSU starting the season #1. They have not lost. How much should they fall. If they don't lose, they have to be BCS.

[sjm5122]

Also, OSU starting the season #1. They have not lost. How much should they fall. If they don't lose, they have to be BCS.

This is the issue. Why?

You schedule cupcakes and if you do not win convincingly your team should be held accountable and drop in the rankings. The fact that this doesnt happen will mean that teams have no incentive to schedule tough OOC games ever.

[TheSideBet]

Branding. Judging by the way they've looked the past month I doubt they will end up as Big Ten champs this season. So out of sorts.

[pavyracer]

I didn't realize that. Wtf? Is there seriously no value is scheduling tough OOC games?

Hypothetical: If it came down to two power conference teams with the one loss jockeying for a #4 seed, wouldn't the committee pick the team with an impressive OOC win over the team without one?

Just seems absurd and bad for the game in general that the new system would deemphasize the importance of OOC schedule relative to the admittedly flawed BCS.

Go back to the last 10 year champions. Look at out of conference schedules. Alabama and LSU and Auburn don't play Ohio State, Texas or USC early in season.

[jtoler]

They barely beat some bad competition, of course some 1 loss teams should be above them.

[mikewlgm]

Why is Notre Dame #4? Committee loves name brands and don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

[jtoler]

Why is Notre Dame #4? Committee loves name brands and don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

Doesn't make sense either, so much politics with this makes it not as enjoyable.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Go back to the last 10 year champions. Look at out of conference schedules. Alabama and LSU and Auburn don't play Ohio State, Texas or USC early in season.

But wasn't the new system supposed to change that? At least ostensibly?

[jjgold]

nobody a cup cake anymore

Talent everywhere

[Fred The Hammer]

Why is Notre Dame #4? Committee loves name brands and don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

They've lost one game by 2 points @ Clemson as they were trying to tie it. They're the only team that beat Navy and Temple. They beat USC and they crushed Texas....who handed Oklahoma their only loss. Plus they close @ Stanford. Baylor on the other hand hasn't beat a winning team all year?

[d2bets]

This is the issue. Why?

You schedule cupcakes and if you do not win convincingly your team should be held accountable and drop in the rankings. The fact that this doesnt happen will mean that teams have no incentive to schedule tough OOC games ever.

But the schedule was known before the season started. I just don't see you move down without losing, let alone move down 4 spots.

[rockaflocka]

Ohio state has beat a Majority of their schedule by 20+ points using 2 different qbs.
Ohio state also returns 80% of a roster that smoked Alabama and Oregon last year.

If you ask a Vegas to make lines they may be underdog against maybe 2 teams in a neutral site right now

[Buffalo Nickle]

Because they are a Top 5 team. Who you going to put ahead of them LSU, Florida, Oklahoma? They haven't been impressive but those teams would have a tough time against them. Could Baylor beat them with their backup?

[Buffalo Nickle]

Why is Notre Dame #4? Committee loves name brands and don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

Because they've only lost to Clemson and then only just barely and on the road?

[Vegas39]

Why is Notre Dame #4? Committee loves name brands and don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

all be a moot point when Stanford beats them

[jtoler]

Because they are a Top 5 team. Who you going to put ahead of them LSU, Florida, Oklahoma? They haven't been impressive but those teams would have a tough time against them. Could Baylor beat them with their backup?

Fair enough, Oklahoma State hasnt beaten much but they are undefeated just like State. How about Stanford? And dont forget Iowa, who is undefeated. If we are gonna say State should stay number 1 because they havent lost, even though they really havent beaten anyone and had closer games than they should have against much weaker opposition, then some other teams whove beaten much better competition should be credited for it even though they have one loss.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Fair enough but, Oklahoma State hasnt beaten much but they are undefeated. How about Stanford? And dont forget Iowa, who is undefeated. If we are gonna say State should stay number 1 because they havent lost, even though they really havent beaten anyone and had closer games than they should have against much weaker opposition, then some other teams whove beaten much better competition should be credited for it even though they have one loss.

The Stanford team that lost to Northwestern and only missed getting beat by Washington State because they missed a FG. Oklahoma State that had trouble with Central Michigan and is losing to Iowa State?

People imagine that Top 5 teams are supposed to beat everybody by 50 points. But any team you name has had the same kind of troubles as Ohio State.

Iowa is probably not even a Top 20 team. Ohio State would kick them in the nuts. Ohio State pretty much just going through the motions.

[jtoler]

The Stanford team that lost to Northwestern and only missed getting beat by Washington State because they missed a FG. Oklahoma State that had trouble with Central Michigan and is losing to Iowa State?

People imagine that Top 5 teams are supposed to beat everybody by 50 points. But any team you name has had the same kind of troubles as Ohio State.

Iowa is probably not even a Top 20 team. Ohio State would kick them in the nuts. Ohio State pretty much just going through the motions.

Not saying Iowa should be number 1, but in consideration for number 4, Notre Dame's spot. Stanford lost 1st game of season also, to a good NW team, that can be forgiven and should be, wasnt State's loss to Tech last year forgiven somehow.

[Buffalo Nickle]

No way. Notre Dame is better than Iowa. They've only lost to Clemson.

Why should Stanford's loss to Northwestern be forgiven. They aren't any good. Plus, they barely beat Washington State. Why all this forgiveness for lesser teams.

I would say Stanford might be as good as Notre Dame but you gotta prove it on the field.

If you say Clemson is one of the top teams then obviously Notre Dame is just one notch below based on what has happened on the field. They deserve a shot at them at home or on a neutral field.