OSHAMA shaking hands with DICTATOR CHAVEZ......

[tacomax]

You mean avatar?

[MilfDriller]

igual.

[Data]

America will always prevail.

Why is that? Is there anything magical in the name? Can you see how greatly once great nation has changed that there is no longer basis for this type of optimism? America used to be dominating international sports. That is no longer the case. The decline in other areas will follow.

The shame is not on Obama, the shame is on America. Obama will drive in more change but first and foremost, he is just an indicator of the changes that already took place and that this nation has come a long way to eventually turn this country into another Central America shithole.

[therber2]

Data, exactly what fundamentals of our nation have changed that have shredded any possibility for future optimism in America? I am seeing the United States getting back up on its feet, and wanting to be heard. I see civil unrest everywhere now; more and more people becoming interested in what our nation used to provide, and no longer does. Why the pessimism?

[Thor4140]

Milfy you're a funny guy. But admit it. You know nothing about Chavez. What makes him Hitler? The US media doesn't like him? Or is it that he criticizes US shitbag foreign policy.
What he should do is ask Chavez for advice and lessons.

Exactly the Fox New's of the world and Nitwit neo-con radio say's Chavez is a bad man so these brainless dopes follow right along. The people in Venezula love Chavez. Maybe Obama can get us some of that cheap oil over there and stick it right up these greedy oil company's asses. The ones who help ruin the economy with their greed. Nice move Obama. Nice move.

[Thor4140]

People all over the world don't have any respect for the clown. I know I don't.

Hilarious did Rush tell u this?

[Thor4140]

U.S. shitbag foreign policy/Ask Chavez for advice and lessons:

RenoCool, you are an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE to this great country.

Since you hate the country and disagree with all of its core values, why don't you pack your bags and leave and take your useless left-wing friends (DaggerKobe/RyanXL, etc) with you. The USA would be far better off if people like you left and NEVER returned.

I'm sure Chavez will greet you with open arms since the 2 of you can both agree on one thing and that is your HATRED for the United States of America.

Let me guess cous u are from Nascar nation? How about u leave and take all the brainless sheep with ya and leave the rest of us alone. By the way how was the tea party all u southern redneck racist participated in?

[Thor4140]

I'm enlightening idiots like you. isn't that enough

[wtf]

Exactly the Fox New's of the world and Nitwit neo-con radio say's Chavez is a bad man so these brainless dopes follow right along. The people in Venezula love Chavez. Maybe Obama can get us some of that cheap oil over there and stick it right up these greedy oil company's asses. The ones who help ruin the economy with their greed. Nice move Obama. Nice move.

well to start with he had to RIG the election and use strong arm tactics to stay in office

i know more lies cause it does not fit in with your beliefs

[Data]

Data, exactly what fundamentals of our nation have changed that have shredded any possibility for future optimism in America?

The dramatic and irreversible changes in demographics leading to changes in culture, see my post preceding the post you replied to. America was a unique place with a unique population but the momentum it had due to that uniqueness is coming to halt.

[Data]

Let me guess cous u are from Nascar nation? How about u leave and take all the brainless sheep with ya and leave the rest of us alone. By the way how was the tea party all u southern redneck racist participated in?

This post brings up an important point to illustrate what I am saying in this thread.

We evidence a culture clash here, the old and the new, if you wish. Thor4140 is absolutely right referring to andywend's post as something the rednecks would say. Not that andywend or I are rednecks. However, our political views are inline with them. The rednecks are quintessential hard working owners who do not want to take shit from anyone. Here you have it: freedom, private property, democracy. And again, a culture to work hard to make this all happen. The rednecks is a backbone that this country was build on.

In the opposite corner we have Thor4140. As a left-wing representative he does not like the rednecks and wants them shipped out. Little does he know that once he gets rid off the rednecks and has the country to himself and his chilling out homies he will find out that bread does not grow on trees.

[therber2]

Let me guess cous u are from Nascar nation? How about u leave and take all the brainless sheep with ya and leave the rest of us alone. By the way how was the tea party all u southern redneck racist participated in?

All of these pointless stereotypes....you are just another product of our corrupt media.

[therber2]

This post brings up an important point to illustrate what I am saying in this thread.

We evidence a culture clash here, the old and the new, if you wish. Thor4140 is absolutely right referring to andywend's post as something the rednecks would say. Not that andywend or I are rednecks. However, our political views are inline with them. The rednecks are quintessential hard working owners who do not want to take shit from anyone. Here you have it: freedom, private property, democracy. And again, a culture to work hard to make this all happen. The rednecks is a backbone that this country was build on.

In the opposite corner we have Thor4140. As a left-wing representative he does not like the rednecks and wants them shipped out. Little does he know that once he gets rid off the rednecks and has the country to himself and his chilling out homies he will find out that bread does not grow on trees.

Well said. The right is increasingly being associated with ignorance, and greed; both by the corrupt left, and their blind followers. Conservatives are anything but. Exercising a right to protest against one's government is in our constitution. What is really being unveiled here though is just how much the current administration, and its left wing lackies in the media want to push aside traditional American freedoms; this is so often done using cliche attacks that have become embedded into many American's minds. Anyone who does not think in this sort of fashion is probably an ignorant redneck. The number of "rednecks" are growing though glad to say.

[Hotdiggity11]

This is not about shaking hands, it is Obama's political stance being no different than those of whom old fashioned people like myself think as the enemies of the free world.

The problem for me is that Obama's admitted readiness to talk with anyone is due to his lack of principles. He is not a champion of the core values this country and the whole free world is based on (freedom, democracy, private property). That is why from historical standpoint he is a disgrace to this once great country.

However, he is perfectly in line with the country the US has become. It seems that the US has reached the point where the majority of population no longer believes in those values. The demographic situation indicates that the process of population's sentinment drifting away from those values towards left wing ideals which lead to a society of opression, poverty and thyranhy, that process will continue.

And as I've already mentioned, we've made friends with our "enemies" in the past when necessary. It isn't anything new, as I already gave examples of. Not to mention we have bigger fishes to fry than Chavez.

[wtf]

Well said. The right is increasingly being associated with ignorance, and greed; both by the corrupt left, and their blind followers. Conservatives are anything but. Exercising a right to protest against one's government is in our constitution. What is really being unveiled here though is just how much the current administration, and its left wing lackies in the media want to push aside traditional American freedoms; this is so often done using cliche attacks that have become embedded into many American's minds. Anyone who does not think in this sort of fashion is probably an ignorant redneck. The number of "rednecks" are growing though glad to say.


great post! also makes them feel intellectually "superiour" painting them with the redneck brush.

[Thor4140]

This post brings up an important point to illustrate what I am saying in this thread.

We evidence a culture clash here, the old and the new, if you wish. Thor4140 is absolutely right referring to andywend's post as something the rednecks would say. Not that andywend or I are rednecks. However, our political views are inline with them. The rednecks are quintessential hard working owners who do not want to take shit from anyone. Here you have it: freedom, private property, democracy. And again, a culture to work hard to make this all happen. The rednecks is a backbone that this country was build on.

In the opposite corner we have Thor4140. As a left-wing representative he does not like the rednecks and wants them shipped out. Little does he know that once he gets rid off the rednecks and has the country to himself and his chilling out homies he will find out that bread does not grow on trees.

First of all slick i am a registered independent. I vote for who i feel will do the best for the country. I vote for Republicans. What i don't like is a guy like u believing every line of bullshit nitwit neo con radio and the Fox's new's of the world spew. I worked for everything i got in life and to think that Republicans are somehow the hard workers in this country is laughable. My views are more towards conservatism unfortunately i can't find anyone on the right who follows them. Boy i wish i just wish we had two presidents and all u jackasses who get played daily would keep guys like Bush and then when u come running for help a year later we can just piss on ya.

[mmike032]

This post brings up an important point to illustrate what I am saying in this thread.

We evidence a culture clash here, the old and the new, if you wish. Thor4140 is absolutely right referring to andywend's post as something the rednecks would say. Not that andywend or I are rednecks. However, our political views are inline with them. The rednecks are quintessential hard working owners who do not want to take shit from anyone. Here you have it: freedom, private property, democracy. And again, a culture to work hard to make this all happen. The rednecks is a backbone that this country was build on.

In the opposite corner we have Thor4140. As a left-wing representative he does not like the rednecks and wants them shipped out. Little does he know that once he gets rid off the rednecks and has the country to himself and his chilling out homies he will find out that bread does not grow on trees.

[reno cool]

First of all slick i am a registered independent. I vote for who i feel will do the best for the country. I vote for Republicans. What i don't like is a guy like u believing every line of bullshit nitwit neo con radio and the Fox's new's of the world spew. I worked for everything i got in life and to think that Republicans are somehow the hard workers in this country is laughable. My views are more towards conservatism unfortunately i can't find anyone on the right who follows them. Boy i wish i just wish we had two presidents and all u jackasses who get played daily would keep guys like Bush and then when u come running for help a year later we can just piss on ya.

this is a good point. Besides some of the strictly racist and ignorant garbage the right wingers believe, we would probably all agree on some issues.
Once they realize that it's the rich and big business that leaches off society (not the poor) there could be some common ground.
If you'd like to know how big business treats independent farmers, rednecks during times of free-willing capitalism (which seems to be your ideal) I would suggest an American classic: "The Grapes of Wrath"

[andywend]

The problem is no matter where the hard-working conservative republicans go, the liberal democratic parasites would leech off the excess productive capacity we leave behind and once they finish, will simply follow us and the new cycle begins again.

There is simply NO WAY to get rid of them on a permanent basis.

Its one thing when these socialists trash President Bush/praise President Obama as that is to be expected. However, when they take the Cindy Sheehan route and praise people like Hugo Chavez who despise America with every fiber of their being, it only proves how much these socialists really hate America and its values.

As Data accurately pointed out, the liberal socialists are here to stay and it will be the hard-working conservatives that will have to leave.

If Texas or Alaska does manage to secede and can figure a way to keep these liberal parasites out, then I'll re-locate the very next day.

[therber2]

The problem is no matter where the hard-working conservative republicans go, the liberal democratic parasites would leech off the excess productive capacity we leave behind and once they finish, will simply follow us and the new cycle begins again.

There is simply NO WAY to get rid of them on a permanent basis.

Its one thing when these socialists trash President Bush/praise President Obama as that is to be expected. However, when they take the Cindy Sheehan route and praise people like Hugo Chavez who despise America with every fiber of their being, it only proves how much these socialists really hate America and its values.

As Data accurately pointed out, the liberal socialists are here to stay and it will be the hard-working conservatives that will have to leave.

If Texas or Alaska does manage to secede and can figure a way to keep these liberal parasites out, then I'll re-locate the very next day.

Andy, these liberal parasites are the minority controlling the majority. There are excellent liberals out there, and there are horrible extremist right wingers out there. Most liberals I know are confused politically, but are good people that just want to live wonderful lives. Would you honestly create a conservative safe haven and go there? As conservative as I may be I wouldn't want to be there. A "no liberals" allowed nazi safe haven sounds like hell to me.

Not one of your finer posts, my friend. I've said it before: the main problem with our nation now is big government in cahoots with big media. All we have to do is stop listening to the corruption; the tea party is how you do it. These news channels that go around calling patriots "rednecks" will meet their ends when they lose their once solid ground. Extremist liberalism will die with this; as long as we hold strong. The ground is already falling out from underneath the machine. I think then our president will finally listen, and may even stray from his old agendas; if not he won't be reelected.

[therber2]

What i don't like is a guy like u believing every line of bullshit nitwit neo con radio and the Fox's new's of the world spew. I worked for everything i got in life and to think that Republicans are somehow the hard workers in this country is laughable. My views are more towards conservatism unfortunately i can't find anyone on the right who follows them. Boy i wish i just wish we had two presidents and all u jackasses who get played daily would keep guys like Bush and then when u come running for help a year later we can just piss on ya.

I'll bet you listen to more Limbaugh than the average Republican. He is a talk show host that represents nothing more than his own opinions. You are saying you would PISS on another guy because he merely agreed with something said in the rightwing media. This illustrates my point before. We are entrapped completely by this culture. This state of affairs, is and has been destroying the country.

[Data]

the main problem with our nation now is big government in cahoots with big media. All we have to do is stop listening to the corruption; the tea party is how you do it. These news channels that go around calling patriots "rednecks" will meet their ends when they lose their once solid ground.

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

I think that my assessment that the main problem with this nation is what this nation has become is much more accurate.

[andywend]

Andy, these liberal parasites are the minority controlling the majority. There are excellent liberals out there, and there are horrible extremist right wingers out there. Most liberals I know are confused politically, but are good people that just want to live wonderful lives. Would you honestly create a conservative safe haven and go there? As conservative as I may be I wouldn't want to be there. A "no liberals" allowed nazi safe haven sounds like hell to me.

Not one of your finer posts, my friend. I've said it before: the main problem with our nation now is big government in cahoots with big media. All we have to do is stop listening to the corruption; the tea party is how you do it. These news channels that go around calling patriots "rednecks" will meet their ends when they lose their once solid ground. Extremist liberalism will die with this; as long as we hold strong. The ground is already falling out from underneath the machine. I think then our president will finally listen, and may even stray from his old agendas; if not he won't be reelected.

I'm not sure about your "excellent liberals" statement but completely agree with you when it comes to extreme religious right-wing nutjobs who hijacked the republican party and single-handedly gave back control of the country to the democrats.

The problem as I see it is that without the support of the religious right, how can the republicans ever expect to win future elections? Where will the support come from? As long as its one man/one vote with the poor continuing to multiply far quicker than the middle class or the rich, things are only going to get worse.

As I said in my prior post, its one thing when liberals trash President Bush and quite another to see people like Cindy Sheehan/Barack Obama run into the arms of people like Hugo Chavez.

I'm assuming you wouldn't consider those type of liberals as "excellent liberals".

As far as a conservative safe haven, I would be 100% in favor if it were truly conservative as opposed to the type of fake conservatism currently on display within the republican party. My first vote would be to elect Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan.

[reno cool]

It's strange to think that a lot of "liberals" would support Ron Paul, or at least what he says. Both sides of this debate are quite happy with him.

[soli]

I'm voting for Obama the next term too if that help any in this thread. The GOP is so far behind with times that their only outlet will be Forums and Fox News...

[dle]

God forbid our President shake hands with other world leaders.

[reno cool]

they're all evil tyrants and dictators don't you know, and so different from us Americans.

[therber2]

It's strange to think that a lot of "liberals" would support Ron Paul, or at least what he says. Both sides of this debate are quite happy with him.

I completely agree; however it is hard to imagine Renocool, socialist extraordinaire, agreeing with anything Ron Paul is saying. He is a very by the books conservative; very backwards by what I have thought to be your standards. Tell me, what exactly do you agree with in regards to Paul? I have heard only the contrary from you (the contrary being common sense, and logic that us rednecks spew out). Seriously though, I never thought I would see the day Renocool admits that BOTH sides are quite happy with perhaps the most conservative American to walk the earth right now.

[losturmarbles]

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The problem as I see it is that without the support of the religious right, how can the republicans ever expect to win future elections? Where will the support come from? As long as its one man/one vote with the poor continuing to multiply far quicker than the middle class or the rich, things are only going to get worse.

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many democrats are democrat mainly bc of petty issues like abortion, gay marriage, creationism taught in school.

i mean really whats the difference between dems and reps?

most people are ignorant to the evils of socialism, and govt works to keep it that way by playing partisan games. reps and dems play for the same team, it's them vs the individual.

and as long as they can polarize the nation into different groups (rich vs poor, religious right vs seculars, etc) they will always win. hows the old lincoln quote go?, "a house divided against itself cannot stand".

as far as the vote thing goes, anyone receiving govt assistance shouldnt have a vote. ideally, i would also like to see the 17th amendment repealed, have each state's legislature elect each state's 2 federal senators. remove the privilege of the directly electing the president from the people, and employ the electoral college by letting the each state's legislature choose the electors who in turn vote for the president. the highest office the people would ever vote for would be house representatives, and their votes for state elections would actually mean something.

[reno cool]

From what I heard from him he does not support US foreign policy, as in attacking foreign lands for the benefit of corporations. That's the #1 issue. I remember him addressing health care in a positive way too. I can't say I remember many specifics of his positions but I do remember agreeing with most if not all of his rhetoric.

[reno cool]

many democrats are democrat mainly bc of petty issues like abortion, gay marriage, creationism taught in school.

i mean really whats the difference between dems and reps?

[quote=losturmarbles;1769444]


I agree with the highlighted part of your post. These issues are basically irrelevant. But we are constantly bombarded with this stuff by the media, while serious issues are hardly raised. But that's to the benefit of powerful interests and it is not accidental. After all, it's not the homeless that run the media.

[LVHerbie]

Does the rap music listening clown have any clue?


Why not pay a visit to Hitler's tombstone? What an absolute friggin' jackass.

Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill


Khrushchev and Kennedy


Mao and Nixon



Reagan and Gorbachev

[LVHerbie]

bush and Ibn Saud

[reno cool]

Why shouldn't they shake hands? Most of them are two sides of the same coin. It's not like any of them worry about going broke, or fighting in a war for somebody elses cause.

[LVHerbie]

Bush and Torture Overseer Cheney