Dear conspiracy denialists

[sourtwist]

it's funny some of you cowards that frequent the saloon that read the thread on this virginia shooting didn't refute some of my posts pointing out the hoax but you fukks gang up in this thread? pathetic!!!

Kahn, I can take it.

You were right a while ago when you told me not to be concerned nor should I try to change the minds of people who choose not to understand. I just can't help it, I want to help others see what the people in control are capable of. Obviously they don't want t think about that stuff.

[opie1988]

Any law that prevents a law abiding, legal US citizen from legally purchasing any firearm is gun control. Period.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Kahn, I can take it.

You were right a while ago when you told me not to be concerned nor should I try to change the minds of people who choose not to understand. I just can't help it, I want to help others see what the people in control are capable of. Obviously they don't want t think about that stuff.

things that pisses me off the most? we're all on the same fukking team.

but like i said it million times. divide and conquer...

[TheSideBet]

@Sourtwist

Are you getting ready for Sept 23? Are you one of those guys?

[The Kraken]

divide and conquer... divide and conquer... tsk tsk tsk.

you people are arguing about the wrong things.

the direction of the board itself isn't even important.

it's interesting but not even the main factor in all of this.

anyone with a half a brain that really looks into this incident will know this isn't what it seems.

there is a long thread in the saloon that gives many aspects that doesn't make sense.

this incident is just like bin laden raid by seal team 6 and sandy hook massacre.

meaning, there is no definite proof that it happened.

for those that are jumping the gun and chastising sourtwist, well that's your prerogative.

but spend at least 10 hours of your time trying to find some info other than the mainstream media's then judge for yourself.

i've posted this before...

First off, prior to this post, you were in here arguing with us. So don't act like you're the only one here that sees things as they really are and don't act as if you weren't right along with us arguing about whether the shooting was a hoax or not.

Second, we are arguing about the right thing, you are introducing something new entirely, which is the idea of divide and conquer. I agree with you on this but that's not what this thread about. So you are creating a diversion.

By all means, start a new thread about whether the gov't, or more specifically, the elite class, is trying to divide and conquer and I will go in and agree with you.

But as of now, there is absolutely no evidence that backs up Sours theory that this is false flag. In fact, all of the photos have shown the opposite. He hung his hat on the wooden planks and all the photos show the same thing, that they're exactly the same as the original photo he posted. So, is there any other evidence, not conspiracy theories, but evidence, that would back up the assertion that this was a hoax? If not, I think it's time to move on.

But please, stick to the topic and start a different thread for anything off topic. You're muddying the waters, which at this point, may be your intention, I don't know.

[The Kraken]

2013 President Obama Proposes Sweeping Changes to Gun Control

In response to recent massacres, including the killing of 20 first graders in Newtown, Conn., and 12 moviegoers in Aurora, Colo., President Barack Obama introduces proposals to tighten gun-control laws. His plan includes universal background checks for gun sales, the reinstatement and strengthening of the assault weapons ban, limiting ammunition magazines to a 10-round capacity, and other measures.
Colorado Recalls Pro-Gun Control State Senators

On Sept. 10, voters threw out of office Democrats John Morse and Angela Giron for their support of recently enacted gun-control laws that mandate background checks on private gun sales and limit magazine clips to 15 rounds. The election drew national attention not only for the ouster of the officials but also for the influx of money on both sides, from the National Rifle Association and New York mayor Michael Bloomberg, a gun-control advocate.

These were only proposals

Obama recently said his biggest regret was not doing more for gun reform

You may not like him and may disagree with him about gun reform, but the reality is, he accomplished nothing in terms of gun reform or gun control

If you think this was because he was too busy with ACA or it was simply an oversight, you would be wrong. This is how politics work. He needs votes in congress to pass his agendas and to cross the aisles and get R votes, he has go give them something they want, or sacrifice something. He consciously made the decision to sacrifice furthering gun reform, to gain votes for other legislation.

[sourtwist]

Same deal, the boards on the right are still running parallel to the rails.

But here's what I think is happening

In the pic that has the shooter pointing his gun at the reporter, all the boards appear to be running perpendicular to the railing. However, in the aerial view, it's a mixed bag, some of the boards (closer to where the cameraman is laying) are running perpendicular but then further down and closer to the railing, the boards begin running parallel, which we don't see in the picture with the gun.

I think the original picture you posted simply doesn't capture enough of the wooden planks to make any definitive statements. I can deduce that right out of the frame is where the wooden planks change direction, and that would be backed up by the aerials, and Hippos picture that show the seam running diagonally to the railing but I can't say for sure.

I think if the picture had captured just a little bit more, this wouldn't be an argument.

Very good points you make

[sourtwist]

@Sourtwist

Are you getting ready for Sept 23? Are you one of those guys?

I'm always prepared. Are you?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

First off, prior to this post, you were in here arguing with us. So don't act like you're the only one here that sees things as they really are and don't act as if you weren't right along with us arguing about whether the shooting was a hoax or not.

Second, we are arguing about the right thing, you are introducing something new entirely, which is the idea of divide and conquer. I agree with you on this but that's not what this thread about. So you are creating a diversion.

By all means, start a new thread about whether the gov't, or more specifically, the elite class, is trying to divide and conquer and I will go in and agree with you.

But as of now, there is absolutely no evidence that backs up Sours theory that this is false flag. In fact, all of the photos have shown the opposite. He hung his hat on the wooden planks and all the photos show the same thing, that they're exactly the same as the original photo he posted. So, is there any other evidence, not conspiracy theories, but evidence, that would back up the assertion that this was a hoax? If not, I think it's time to move on.

But please, stick to the topic and start a different thread for anything off topic. You're muddying the waters, which at this point, may be your intention, I don't know.

was i arguing or telling you what i saw? two different things?

so you're saying if there was another thread on the topic of this shooting, you'd chime in?

well there is and i know you've seen it and read it.

it's just funny to me for those that have read the other thread is jumping on this matter.

while they are just silent on the ones that really matter.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

These were only proposals

Obama recently said his biggest regret was not doing more for gun reform

You may not like him and may disagree with him about gun reform, but the reality is, he accomplished nothing in terms of gun reform or gun control

If you think this was because he was too busy with ACA or it was simply an oversight, you would be wrong. This is how politics work. He needs votes in congress to pass his agendas and to cross the aisles and get R votes, he has go give them something they want, or sacrifice something. He consciously made the decision to sacrifice furthering gun reform, to gain votes for other legislation.

like i said, little by little. there's a huge opposing force when it comes to gun control. hence, these false flags are part of the driving force to sway the public.

[TheSideBet]

I'm always prepared. Are you?

If these latest theories about end times are correct - all previous have been wrong seeing as we are all alive- and a meteor hits or that Hydron Collider opens a portal to hell or disrupts the climate I'm pretty sure none of us will be prepared. I'm just going to go about my days though.

[sourtwist]

If these latest theories about end times are correct - all previous have been wrong seeing as we are all alive- and a meteor hits or that Hydron Collider opens a portal to hell or disrupts the climate I'm pretty sure none of us will be prepared. I'm just going to go about my days though.

Not every theory is an end all situation.

[sourtwist]

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-579205.html

This link is proof that whether I am right or wrong, I will always look for answers. I also won't knock people who have an interest in the truth even if their views are not in alignment with mine. That's of course if it is done respectfully.

Tell me what you think about this video.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

here's a true story. i purchased an m&p 40 couple years back and i love it. earlier this year i wanted to get an m&p 45 but the m&p series are no longer available in california due to unsafe handgun act.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/daniel-zimmerman/smith-wesson-california-drop-dead/

it's getting harder and harder to get the guns you want in california. it will spread to other states eventually.

[gauchojake]

The gun manufacturers do not want to spend the money to comply with CA laws on every gun they sell.

[jjgold]

Well the other lady that was shot is covering in a hospital she's has photos out there

[Ghenghis Kahn]

The gun manufacturers do not want to spend the money to comply with CA laws on every gun they sell.

"Smith & Wesson does not and will not include microstamping in its firearms. A number of studies have indicated that microstamping is unreliable, serves no safety purpose, is cost prohibitive and, most importantly, is not proven to aid in preventing or solving crimes. The microstamping mandate and the company’s unwillingness to adopt this so-called technology will result in a diminishing number of Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistols available for purchase by California residents."

yeah smith and wesson probably crunched numbers and decided it wasn't worth it. it's too bad though since m&p series is awesome, especially when you upgrade some parts with apex.

[sourtwist]

Well the other lady that was shot is covering in a hospital she's has photos out there

How would you feel if I told you that vicki Gardner is on the board of directors at the carilion-franklin-memorial-hospital. She happens to be the vice president. She also happens to be the perfect person to make something like a fake recovery happen.

So many coincidences, aren't there?

[The Kraken]

First and most importantly, I would never knock anyone for trying to find the truth, regardless of what I think. I fall into the trap of personal attacks sometimes, mainly because this is SBR and there is an entertainment factor but away from Recon and Brooks, I try to steer clear of personal attacks, judgement and just give my opinion.

With that said, it would be nearly impossible, if not impossible, for anyone to fake a recovery in a hospital, especially an administrator. Involved in her care would be hundreds of people including ER dr's, surgeons, ICU doctors, neurologists, ER nurses, OR nurses, ICU nurses, floor nureses (day and night), nurse techs, physical therapists, occupational therapists, midlevel providers such as PA's and ARNP's, charge nurses, etc.... Then there would be all the people in administration that want to come and see her, like the CEO, CFO, Chief medical director and so on. Plus family and friends. There would literally be hundreds and hundreds of people that will make their way into her room, many who are directly involved in her care, see the wounds with their own eyes, dress the wounds, participated in the surgery, etc......

Not to mention as a level 1 trauma patient, the state will be reviewing her care as they give funding to level 1 trauma centers and audit 100% of patients that fall into this category.

So from my perspective, I don't see how this could be done. It just couldn't.

Especially from an administrator. It would only take one person to speak up and with that many people, I can assure one person would speak up because if they were caught, everyone of them would lose their licenses and livelihoods. Someone would wise up or get scared or have a different agenda, and come forth with information.

[rkelly110]

@Sourtwist

Are you getting ready for Sept 23? Are you one of those guys?

I love this kind of stuff. What's gonna happen on the 23rd?

[R.P. McMurphy]

Still not 1 of you dummies has examined the "nobody saw this coming theory" Just sayin but if I were 1 of the few doing this story you can be GOD#AMN sure I'm gonna see him coming and acknowledge his presence within a few ft right before the gun is fired at the very least!! Never happened in the vid we just supposed to act like these people are flat out retarded or "pretend" they truly did not see nobody coming a few ft away in apparently a very private controlled setting with just a few around? Conspiracy guys I'm on ur side! But boards aside why is nobody mentioning obvious human element? Sorry but 2 of these players knew this guy and nobody even pretends to a rather large man who 2 of 3 knew getting within.5ft/pistol drawn and nobody notices?? Then you have couple shots fired at point blank ,while the "victim" turns and runs without showing any realistic sign of being hit? Yeah ima believer

[R.P. McMurphy]

And for sake of argument I'm not saying "nobody" could ever touch me. But believe on your grandkids Mac WILL see that shot. coming and react in the least!! Yes I realize most are not as smart as me but that's your own fukking fault. Seriously how could you let this get within 5ft or so and have NO reaction?? Knowing the fukking guy beforehand and saying wtf is he doing here?....bang bang....yeah none of that just curious is all?

[sourtwist]

Still not 1 of you dummies has examined the "nobody saw this coming theory" Just sayin but if I were 1 of the few doing this story you can be GOD#AMN sure I'm gonna see him coming and acknowledge his presence within a few ft right before the gun is fired at the very least!! Never happened in the vid we just supposed to act like these people are flat out retarded or "pretend" they truly did not see nobody coming a few ft away in apparently a very private controlled setting with just a few around? Conspiracy guys I'm on ur side! But boards aside why is nobody mentioning obvious human element? Sorry but 2 of these players knew this guy and nobody even pretends to a rather large man who 2 of 3 knew getting within.5ft/pistol drawn and nobody notices?? Then you have couple shots fired at point blank ,while the "victim" turns and runs without showing any realistic sign of being hit? Yeah ima believer

Of course we haven't because that's the most obvious sign of this being completely staged. Many 'debunkers' have used the bullshit that the reporters are trained not to pay mind to their surroundings.

Vicki Gardner was in the alleged shooters direct path and there is no way in the world he went unnoticed. No fkn way. This should be enough proof alone but those people defending the corrupt government think that our government is there to protect us, when it's a known fact by realists that out government is trying to take away our right to protect ourselves.

We are fukked but we will fight each other while they continue this shit.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Well "technically" it's not proof. Just very odd all I'm saying these people 2 of 3 who knew him 1st hand let him wander into supposedly controlled setting and NOBODY apparently saw him coming or acknowledged a few ft away with gun drawn? I been around a relatively short time...But not that short.Just sayin!

[Ghenghis Kahn]

look at the list of hand guns recently removed vs hand guns recently added lists... you don't think there's gun control going on right now?

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[FR3SH like UgHH]

Brandon Lang is 14-1 his last 15.

what is the conspiracy on this 1?

[sourtwist]

Brandon Lang is 14-1 his last 15.

what is the conspiracy on this 1?

He would be 15-0 if you put a gun to his head

[paco]

Might be one of the few things I agree with Genghis khan. Don't know if that helps ur argument or not GK lol

[Ra77er]

Looks fishy no doubt, not sure what twister wants to accomplish with this kind of discussion in players talk.

Are you looking for someone to carry the torch for you when you inevitably die or are you looking for people to rabbit hole with you on sensational news being rigged?

Just look to the heavens for your strength if you are truly scared/concerned about the changes happening in the world today.

This feels like some bizarre Sarah Connor chronicle here.....look Arnold won in the end pal...no worries.

[sourtwist]

Looks fishy no doubt, not sure what twister wants to accomplish with this kind of discussion in players talk.

Are you looking for someone to carry the torch for you when you inevitably die or are you looking for people to rabbit hole with you on sensational news being rigged?

Just look to the heavens for your strength if you are truly scared/concerned about the changes happening in the world today.

This feels like some bizarre Sarah Connor chronicle here.....look Arnold won in the end pal...no worries.

I know your post is kind in its motive, but don't worry about what I'm trying to accomplish. If it's not important to you, leave it alone. I don't need to find strength from members here, I am looking for something different.

I will never be like you and others. I will never stand by and watch while being lied to like you apparently can, and what scares me is not what they do, it's people like you looking down on me without having a true understanding of the world around you. Go back to watching sports, not every thread is meant for everyone.

[TheMoneyShot]

I'm all about conspiracy. Everyone knows that on here.

But this was definitely 100% real.

This was so real...

The guy who did it... was a fukking moron.

[Ra77er]

You state its a kind motive and then say I am looking down on you? I am not looking down on you I am simply trying to understand what the point of creating a discussion on message board is if you are unwilling to listen to anyone but yourself or anyone that shares your beliefs.

You are correct though I shouldn't have posted here, and I apologize for that.

[kidcudi92]

You state its a kind motive and then say I am looking down on you? I am not looking down on you I am simply trying to understand what the point of creating a discussion on message board is if you are unwilling to listen to anyone but yourself or anyone that shares your beliefs.

You are correct though I shouldn't have posted here, and I apologize for that.

if it wasn't STILL in players talk when it's not even about sports/gambling, I might be very angry at you Razz-a-ment, but I am not

[sourtwist]

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-08-26/virginia-police-order-bbc-journalists-delete-footage-suspected-shooters-crash

Hey money, I think it's safe to assume that you are unaware that BBC journalists were forced to delete footage of the suspected shooters car crash by police officers, one in particular, who had demanded this to be done. It is illegal by the way.

Odd how the media is quiet about this, isn't it? Reporters killed, other reporters camera confiscated and deleted important details, media silent. The people in the media have been silenced, but by who?

[sourtwist]

if it wasn't STILL in players talk when it's not even about sports/gambling, I might be very angry at you Razz-a-ment, but I am not

Move along kid. Players talk, this is what we are doing.