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  • FlipsideRM
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-28-11
    • 10518

    #1
    Can someone explain this horse racing question for me?
    Alright I was bored and messing around on heritages virtual horse racing. There are 9 horses racing and I placed a "show bet" on a horse that was 1.3/ 1 to win or so. I placed 23$ on it and my horse ended up winning. I check my account and It says I "won 23.69" back. Now I'm no astronaut but that means I just placed a 23 bet to get back .69 cents and if I lost I lose all 23$ lol. That's highway robbery, what are the odds I actually placed on? -20000? I tried contacting heritage about this thinking it was some mistake and they said its correct. Does anyone who knows abut horses agree with that? I realize to show is a rather easy bet for a horse that had good odds to win outright but 23 to win .69 cents seems absurd.
    It's not a big deal, I'm just generally curious. Is this how all racetracks are?
  • Optional
    Administrator
    • 06-10-10
    • 63019

    #2
    Rough rule of thumb is 1/4 of win odds for the show, so at -333 for the Win you'd hope for at least -1333 for the Show but the weight of money decides it in the end.

    You got paid -3333 btw.
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    • FlipsideRM
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-28-11
      • 10518

      #3
      Originally posted by Optional
      Rough rule of thumb is 1/4 of win odds for the show, so at -333 for the Win you'd hope for at least -1333 for the Show but the weight of money decides it in the end.

      You got paid -3333 btw.
      No sorry, the win odds for the horse were a little above + $. Maybe I typed that wrong
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      • FlipsideRM
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-28-11
        • 10518

        #4
        So if my horse doesn't place top 3 out of 9 I lose everything and if I win my odds are -3333. Lol wow, never betting on horses again, that's crazy
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        • Optional
          Administrator
          • 06-10-10
          • 63019

          #5
          Originally posted by FlipsideRM
          No sorry, the win odds for the horse were a little above + $. Maybe I typed that wrong
          The win odds are usually quoted in $ so $2.00 would be even money. $1.30 = -333

          Are the win payouts quoted for a $1 bet or a $2 bet as well?
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 63019

            #6
            If it was shown at $2.30 for Win based on a $2 base bet, then the $1.03 payout for Show would be around expected I think.

            Remember you are betting on a horse with a 86.96% implied probability of winning if this is the case.
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            • FlipsideRM
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 09-28-11
              • 10518

              #7
              Originally posted by Optional
              The win odds are usually quoted in $ so $2.00 would be even money. $1.30 = -333

              Are the win payouts quoted for a $1 bet or a $2 bet as well?
              youre probably right. I didn't know wth I was doing just wanted to take the best odds horse to show. That payout just sounds unrealistic but I guess not
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              • The Giant
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-21-12
                • 21480

                #8
                So, it's official? You're not an astronaut?
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                • Optional
                  Administrator
                  • 06-10-10
                  • 63019

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FlipsideRM

                  youre probably right. I didn't know wth I was doing just wanted to take the best odds horse to show. That payout just sounds unrealistic but I guess not
                  If the other 8 horses only have a combined 13% probability of beating the fave, the odds that 3 of them do it individually in the one race might so be so high the 3% profit seems like good value to some bettors.
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                  • DiggityDaggityDo
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 11-30-08
                    • 81463

                    #10
                    Nice hit, Flipper.
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                    • KonaZonie
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 08-07-09
                      • 240

                      #11
                      The minimum payout in horse racing is $2.10 for a straight bet so the least you should have been paid is $24.15 (10 cents profit for every $2 you bet). Not sure why you only got a $0.69 return. What was the show payoff? It would be easy enough to calculate:

                      For a $23 bet, (11.5 x payoff) - 23 = profit
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                      • shaunovery
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-15-07
                        • 18143

                        #12
                        Are you saying its virtual racing so the runners aren't real
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                        • kfranz31
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-09-10
                          • 1186

                          #13
                          you should have gotten atleast 1.10 back for a a total of 24.10...i never saw a track with nickel payouts..but that is the risk of show betting just all depends on the money bet on the horse some shows pay etter than place bets..not often but sometimes
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                          • Optional
                            Administrator
                            • 06-10-10
                            • 63019

                            #14
                            Most of the world uses fractional or Decimal based on $1 units.

                            Is the fantasy software talking about worldwide tracks or US ones or made up name tracks?
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                            • FlipsideRM
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 09-28-11
                              • 10518

                              #15
                              In conclusion, stay away from the virtual racetrack
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                              • FlipsideRM
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-28-11
                                • 10518

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo
                                Nice hit, Flipper.
                                All in a day's work diggy
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                                • gauchojake
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 09-17-10
                                  • 34149

                                  #17
                                  Flipper, your bad run has you betting on virtual horses

                                  Unreal.
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                                  • LEOLEO
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 02-13-13
                                    • 664

                                    #18

                                    classic guy....

                                    Alright I was bored and messing around on heritages virtual horse racing. There are 9 horses racing and I placed a "show bet" on a horse that was 1.3/ 1 to win or so. I placed 23$ on it....


                                    I DONT NEED TO READ ANYMORE
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                                    • trytrytry
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-13-06
                                      • 23669

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Optional
                                      Rough rule of thumb is 1/4 of win odds for the show, so at -333 for the Win you'd hope for at least -1333 for the Show but the weight of money decides it in the end.

                                      You got paid -3333 btw.
                                      hey watch it here
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                                      • DrunkHorseplayer
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 05-15-10
                                        • 7720

                                        #20
                                        It's not unusual for a 6/5 shot at the track to pay $2.10 to show (-2000) but that's due to the mandatory minimum payout. If the show payouts at the track reflected the true amount of money bet, as is probably the case at Heritage's virtual track, you would see plenty of show payouts reflecting the aforementioned -3333.
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                                        • cankid
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-22-08
                                          • 7287

                                          #21
                                          thats bad news stay away
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                                          • Sledge187
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 04-25-08
                                            • 3722

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by The Giant
                                            So, it's official? You're not an astronaut?
                                            This made me laugh.
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                                            • sweethook
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-21-07
                                              • 12667

                                              #23
                                              looks to me that you would have got around .15 for each $2 on a win bet . so a show bet and the horse wins is around .0375 for each $2 so you should have got like .43 cents not .69 ...omg you were over paid sir.
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                                              • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 04-04-11
                                                • 38750

                                                #24
                                                Virtual horses no good. Stick to Sigma Derby.
                                                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                • Optional
                                                  Administrator
                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                  • 63019

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by trytrytry
                                                  hey watch it here
                                                  Did I get it wrong?
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                                                  • trytrytry
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 03-13-06
                                                    • 23669

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    Did I get it wrong?
                                                    Professional courtesy!! -3333
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                                                    • Optional
                                                      Administrator
                                                      • 06-10-10
                                                      • 63019

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by trytrytry
                                                      Professional courtesy!! -3333
                                                      I think something is whooshing over my head
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