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ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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jtolerBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5847In trying to appeal to all he'll appeal to none, there's negatives to being unscripted you usually end up having to reword and rescript what you said and meant coupled with having a "change" of heart on issues as Donald displayed last night.Comment -
jtolerBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5848what about the last guy? 1st time senator and community organizer. Wow tons of experience huh? They guy before that owned a baseball team. Wow that worked out real well also.
The establishment will have some of you believe you need to be a career politician to be potus. They couldn't be more wrong. You need a leader who surrounds himself with the right kind of people and who who smart enough to make the right decisions when called upon.Comment -
Jayvegas420BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5851No one said the last guy was experienced. No one said anything about him. But Dwight loves to avoid the the substance of the conversation & turnaround.
Someone makes a legit argument about Trumps foreign policy or questions his demeanor and Dwight is quick to say something like, Well...Nixon was terrible.
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rkelly110BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5852Thanks Obama. Economy added another 250k jobs.Comment -
d2betsBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5854I don't get how anyone can feel like he does or will represents their beliefs and opinions when he changes everything from one day to the next. There is no there there. It's like spin the policy wheel, who the hell knows where it ends up.Comment -
ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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#5855No one said the last guy was experienced. No one said anything about him. But Dwight loves to avoid the the substance of the conversation & turnaround.
Someone makes a legit argument about Trumps foreign policy or questions his demeanor and Dwight is quick to say something like, Well...Nixon was terrible.
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ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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#5859Every Trump sentence has words. Sometimes three words. Or two. And they're great sentences. Terrific sentences. That I can tell you. Believe me. They're great. With the best words. Terrific repeated words. Not very big words. Every Trump sentence has words.Comment -
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d2betsBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5861Little Marco. Look at my hands. There's no problem. That's right. I love the poorly educated. They'll do as their told. I lead. I could commit murder.Comment -
d2betsBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5862Trump gives so few details that it's amazing how he can still manage to get so much wrong and change policy from one day to the next. Trump is shoot first, ask questions later. I guess he's used to just declaring bankruptcy or folding up shop. How can you trust the judgment of a man who thought it was a good idea to sell steaks at the Sharper Image. Given a huge head start, he made a lot of money with bravado, bluster and bullery, but that's not the stuff of presidential leadership. There are no truly intelligent people left still supporting Trump. Sorry if that's elitist, but it's fact.Comment -
opie1988SBR Posting Legend
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#5864Trump gives so few details that it's amazing how he can still manage to get so much wrong and change policy from one day to the next. Trump is shoot first, ask questions later. I guess he's used to just declaring bankruptcy or folding up shop. How can you trust the judgment of a man who thought it was a good idea to sell steaks at the Sharper Image. Given a huge head start, he made a lot of money with bravado, bluster and bullery, but that's not the stuff of presidential leadership. There are no truly intelligent people left still supporting Trump. Sorry if that's elitist, but it's fact.
Brokedikk?? Sure. But no chance elitist.Comment -
d2betsBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5865I was guessing that some would think the sentiment expressed was elitist, not that I personally was elitist. I won't attack you in kind, not the kind of person I am.Comment -
ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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#5866Every Trump sentence has words. Sometimes three words. Or two. And they're great sentences. Terrific sentences. That I can tell you. Believe me. They're great. With the best words. Terrific repeated words. Not very big words. Every Trump sentence has words.Comment -
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#5873I quote whatever "quote" I read on the Internet.
Albert Einstein, 1929Comment -
ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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#5874Hey Dwightie fun fact:
Every Trump sentence has words. Sometimes three words. Or two. And they're great sentences. Terrific sentences. That I can tell you. Believe me. They're great. With the best words. Terrific repeated words. Not very big words. Every Trump sentence has words.Comment -
jtolerBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#5875Glenn Beck, "Does the truth matter to anyone who follow Donald Trump? Does the truth ever matter?"Comment -
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#5878Here's what one guy on Quora has to say about this election if it's Clinton vs Trump (Beware shit ton of writing):
270 Electoral votes are required to win. Not polling results. Not popular votes. Not money. Not being insulting and crass. Not walls that everyone's going to love and Mexico will pay for. Not any of the other bullshit Trump supporters toss at you about what supposedly makes their candidate so great.
States and their respective electoral votes must be won.
Obama beat Romney in the last election 332-206 (this is the only score that matters) even though there was only a 3 point difference in the popular vote.
Clinton will undoubtedly win every slam-dunk blue state that Obama won.
Here is a list of the states that, based on current polling and the way the last three elections have gone, are easy wins for Clinton:
The numbers after each state are Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result
California (55) –(D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-37%, 37%, (D) 60%-37%
Colorado (9) - (R) 52%-47%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 51%-46%
Connecticut (7) – (D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-38%, (D) 58%-41%
Delaware (3) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 59%-40%
Florida (29) - (R) 52%-49%, (D) 51%-48%, (D) 50%-49%
Hawaii (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 72%-27%, (D) 71%-28%
Illinois (20) – (D) 55%-45%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 58%-41%
Iowa (6) - (R) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 52%-46%
Maine (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 58%-40%, (D) 56%-41%
Maryland (10) – (D) 56%-43%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-37%
Massachusetts (11) – (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-36%, (D) 61%-38%
Michigan (16) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 57%-41%, (D) 54%-45%
Minnesota (10) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 53%-45%
Nevada (6) – (R) 51%-48%, (D) 55%-43%, (D) 52%-46%
New Hampshire (4) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 52%-46%
New Mexico (5) – (R) 50%-49%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 53%-43%
New Jersey (14) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 58%-41%
New York (29) – (D) 58%-40%, (D) 63%-36%, (D) 63%-35%
North Carolina (15) - (R) 56%-44%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 50%-48%
Ohio (18) - (R) 51%-49%, (D) 52%-47%, (D) 51%-48%
Oregon (7) – (D) 52%-47%, (D) 57%-40%, (D) 54%-42%
Pennsylvania (20) - (D) 51%-49%, (D) 55%-44%, (D) 52%-47%
Rhode Island (4) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 63%-35%, (D) 63%-35%
Vermont (3) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 68%-30%, (D) 67%-31%
Virginia (13) – (R) 54%-46, (D) 53%-46%, (D) 51%-47%
Washington (12) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 58%-41%, (D) 57%-41%
Wisconsin (10) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 56%-42%, (D) 53%-46%
Total Electoral Votes: 353
If you want to convince me that Trump can win the general election against Clinton, you need to show me how Trump takes at least 74 electoral votes-worth of those states away from Clinton. States that have gone Democrat in the last three elections. And that was against a Republican who isn't a polarizing lunatic.
But not only that, you need to convince me that Trump will be able to win all the same states Romney won. You see, what the reality TV circus that is the primary race thus far doesn't tell you is that there are a lot of people like me who have never not voted for a Republican who will not vote for Trump, no matter what.
I have no idea what a Trump presidency would look like. I have no way of knowing. And much of what Trump shows scares me. I don't want someone who's cool with using government power to steal property from private owners to build casino parking lots. I don't want someone who is cool with hiring illegal immigrants. I don't want someone who is cool with punishing newspapers for saying "mean" things about him. I don't want someone who's enough of a moron (or enough of a con artist) to lead the birther conspiracy movement. Not to mention his positions have been all over the place just since Obama took office. Who knows what they'll be tomorrow.
But forget about me, let's look at swing states and how they line up with recent poll numbers.
Again, for each state, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result and this time, polling projections:
Alaska (3) – (R) 61%-36%, (R) 59%-38%, (R) 55%-41%, Projected Clinton Win
Arizona (11) - (R) 55%-44%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 54%-45%, Projected Clinton Win
Georgia (16) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 52%-47%, (R) 53%-45%, Projected Clinton Win
Indiana (11) - (R) 60%-39%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Louisiana (8) - (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-40%, (R) 58%-41%, Projected Trump Win
Mississippi (6) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Missouri (10) - (R) 53%-46%, (R) 49%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
South Carolina (9) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Texas (38) - (R) 61%-38%, (R) 56%-44%, (R) 57%-41%, Projected Trump Win
The seven states in bold and italics are swing states that went Republican the last three elections in a row, but are still projected to go to Clinton this election according to Clinton vs. Trump polling. Indiana voted 60% - 39% to put George W. Bush in office a second term and 54% to 44% against Obama's second term, but polling says that Indiana would give Obama a third term with Hilary Clinton if she's running against Trump.
I count 66 electoral votes that Romney won, but are projected to go to Clinton.
While thinking about Indiana, go back to the numbers for blue states and notice that in just about every one of them, Obama didn't win as big in '12 as he did in '08. Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia all closed up to within 5 points of Republican win. That's 95 electoral votes worth of states that someone like Kasich might have a chance of flipping, but those are also 95 electoral votes that are a safe bet for Clinton vs. Trump.
Keep in mind that, according to current polling numbers, Clinton would beat Trump in the popular vote by a much wider margin than Obama beat Romney, so all of this is being generous toward Trump.
If Trump runs against Clinton in November, expect to see a landslide reminiscent of Reagan's win over Mondale.
Projection shows Clinton defeats Donald Trump 419-119 (updated to 358-180) on Electoral College map
Edit:
Comments remind me that I didn't address the effect of further scandal surrounding the email server and/or Benghazi.
First of all, I don't think there'll be much more to learn. At least, nothing more damning than what is already public knowledge. I won't rehash it all here. It's enough to demonstrate that Democrat voters are magnificent wagon circlers, and by November, they'll be even more tired yet another "vast right wing conspiracy." S0, I don't care who she'd be running against, she is not going to lose voters over something like Benghazi. I honestly don't think the typical voter cares.
And we're talking about losing these voters for Trump.
Also:
Some have said that I'm making the same mistake that I and pretty much everyone else made when we predicted there's no way in hell Trump can stay in the race. That was certainly a mistake, but it wasn't the same mistake.
When I was thinking that there's no way Trump's success in the primary race can last, that was me overestimating the collective intelligence of Republican primary voters. Or, maybe you could say I underestimated the number of buffoons. Either way, it was an mistake over the right's capacity to self-destruct.
I don't think I'm making any mistakes about the left. And by the way: for god's sake all you Trumpkins, when you look at the numbers and see evidence that Democrats are voting for Trump in open primary elections, that's not because Trump is winning their hearts and minds. That is an age-old tactical move where Democrats know their primary vote is better spent getting an opponent that's easy to beat than Clinton's inevitable coronation as the Democrat nominee.
I don't think I'm making any mistakes about how steadfast the left will be. If anyone wants to challenge this further, tell me which Democrat-standby demographics she'll pull from. Union labor? The minority vote? Feminists? Profile for me the voter who Democrats have always been able to count on, but who will jump ship and vote for Trump.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
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#5879If Trump is the nominee, he will destroy Hillary in the election. It won't even be close.
People can insult Trump voters all they want and no amount of money for ads will affect the results. In fact, it seems to only fuel the fire of the silent majority who are sick and tired on how the country is being run. People that haven't voted in years are coming out to support Trump. He's fresh, talks about doing things differently and can't be bought. I say ... its about fukking time! This is a movement that cannot be stopped.
That's how I see it.Comment -
ACoochySBR Posting Legend
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#5880Here's what one guy on Quora has to say about this election if it's Clinton vs Trump (Beware shit ton of writing):
270 Electoral votes are required to win. Not polling results. Not popular votes. Not money. Not being insulting and crass. Not walls that everyone's going to love and Mexico will pay for. Not any of the other bullshit Trump supporters toss at you about what supposedly makes their candidate so great.
States and their respective electoral votes must be won.
Obama beat Romney in the last election 332-206 (this is the only score that matters) even though there was only a 3 point difference in the popular vote.
Clinton will undoubtedly win every slam-dunk blue state that Obama won.
Here is a list of the states that, based on current polling and the way the last three elections have gone, are easy wins for Clinton:
The numbers after each state are Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result
California (55) –(D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-37%, 37%, (D) 60%-37%
Colorado (9) - (R) 52%-47%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 51%-46%
Connecticut (7) – (D) 54%-44%, (D) 61%-38%, (D) 58%-41%
Delaware (3) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 59%-40%
Florida (29) - (R) 52%-49%, (D) 51%-48%, (D) 50%-49%
Hawaii (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 72%-27%, (D) 71%-28%
Illinois (20) – (D) 55%-45%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 58%-41%
Iowa (6) - (R) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 52%-46%
Maine (4) – (D) 54%-45%, (D) 58%-40%, (D) 56%-41%
Maryland (10) – (D) 56%-43%, (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-37%
Massachusetts (11) – (D) 62%-37%, (D) 62%-36%, (D) 61%-38%
Michigan (16) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 57%-41%, (D) 54%-45%
Minnesota (10) – (D) 51%-48%, (D) 54%-44%, (D) 53%-45%
Nevada (6) – (R) 51%-48%, (D) 55%-43%, (D) 52%-46%
New Hampshire (4) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 54%-45%, (D) 52%-46%
New Mexico (5) – (R) 50%-49%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 53%-43%
New Jersey (14) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 57%-42%, (D) 58%-41%
New York (29) – (D) 58%-40%, (D) 63%-36%, (D) 63%-35%
North Carolina (15) - (R) 56%-44%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 50%-48%
Ohio (18) - (R) 51%-49%, (D) 52%-47%, (D) 51%-48%
Oregon (7) – (D) 52%-47%, (D) 57%-40%, (D) 54%-42%
Pennsylvania (20) - (D) 51%-49%, (D) 55%-44%, (D) 52%-47%
Rhode Island (4) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 63%-35%, (D) 63%-35%
Vermont (3) – (D) 59%-39%, (D) 68%-30%, (D) 67%-31%
Virginia (13) – (R) 54%-46, (D) 53%-46%, (D) 51%-47%
Washington (12) – (D) 53%-46%, (D) 58%-41%, (D) 57%-41%
Wisconsin (10) - (D) 50%-49%, (D) 56%-42%, (D) 53%-46%
Total Electoral Votes: 353
If you want to convince me that Trump can win the general election against Clinton, you need to show me how Trump takes at least 74 electoral votes-worth of those states away from Clinton. States that have gone Democrat in the last three elections. And that was against a Republican who isn't a polarizing lunatic.
But not only that, you need to convince me that Trump will be able to win all the same states Romney won. You see, what the reality TV circus that is the primary race thus far doesn't tell you is that there are a lot of people like me who have never not voted for a Republican who will not vote for Trump, no matter what.
I have no idea what a Trump presidency would look like. I have no way of knowing. And much of what Trump shows scares me. I don't want someone who's cool with using government power to steal property from private owners to build casino parking lots. I don't want someone who is cool with hiring illegal immigrants. I don't want someone who is cool with punishing newspapers for saying "mean" things about him. I don't want someone who's enough of a moron (or enough of a con artist) to lead the birther conspiracy movement. Not to mention his positions have been all over the place just since Obama took office. Who knows what they'll be tomorrow.
But forget about me, let's look at swing states and how they line up with recent poll numbers.
Again, for each state, Electoral Votes, 04 Result, 08 Result, 12 Result and this time, polling projections:
Alaska (3) – (R) 61%-36%, (R) 59%-38%, (R) 55%-41%, Projected Clinton Win
Arizona (11) - (R) 55%-44%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 54%-45%, Projected Clinton Win
Georgia (16) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 52%-47%, (R) 53%-45%, Projected Clinton Win
Indiana (11) - (R) 60%-39%, (D) 50%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Louisiana (8) - (R) 57%-42%, (R) 59%-40%, (R) 58%-41%, Projected Trump Win
Mississippi (6) - (R) 60%-40%, (R) 56%-43%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Missouri (10) - (R) 53%-46%, (R) 49%-49%, (R) 54%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
South Carolina (9) - (R) 58%-41%, (R) 54%-45%, (R) 55%-44%, Projected Clinton Win
Texas (38) - (R) 61%-38%, (R) 56%-44%, (R) 57%-41%, Projected Trump Win
The seven states in bold and italics are swing states that went Republican the last three elections in a row, but are still projected to go to Clinton this election according to Clinton vs. Trump polling. Indiana voted 60% - 39% to put George W. Bush in office a second term and 54% to 44% against Obama's second term, but polling says that Indiana would give Obama a third term with Hilary Clinton if she's running against Trump.
I count 66 electoral votes that Romney won, but are projected to go to Clinton.
While thinking about Indiana, go back to the numbers for blue states and notice that in just about every one of them, Obama didn't win as big in '12 as he did in '08. Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia all closed up to within 5 points of Republican win. That's 95 electoral votes worth of states that someone like Kasich might have a chance of flipping, but those are also 95 electoral votes that are a safe bet for Clinton vs. Trump.
Keep in mind that, according to current polling numbers, Clinton would beat Trump in the popular vote by a much wider margin than Obama beat Romney, so all of this is being generous toward Trump.
If Trump runs against Clinton in November, expect to see a landslide reminiscent of Reagan's win over Mondale.
Projection shows Clinton defeats Donald Trump 419-119 (updated to 358-180) on Electoral College map
Edit:
Comments remind me that I didn't address the effect of further scandal surrounding the email server and/or Benghazi.
First of all, I don't think there'll be much more to learn. At least, nothing more damning than what is already public knowledge. I won't rehash it all here. It's enough to demonstrate that Democrat voters are magnificent wagon circlers, and by November, they'll be even more tired yet another "vast right wing conspiracy." S0, I don't care who she'd be running against, she is not going to lose voters over something like Benghazi. I honestly don't think the typical voter cares.
And we're talking about losing these voters for Trump.
Also:
Some have said that I'm making the same mistake that I and pretty much everyone else made when we predicted there's no way in hell Trump can stay in the race. That was certainly a mistake, but it wasn't the same mistake.
When I was thinking that there's no way Trump's success in the primary race can last, that was me overestimating the collective intelligence of Republican primary voters. Or, maybe you could say I underestimated the number of buffoons. Either way, it was an mistake over the right's capacity to self-destruct.
I don't think I'm making any mistakes about the left. And by the way: for god's sake all you Trumpkins, when you look at the numbers and see evidence that Democrats are voting for Trump in open primary elections, that's not because Trump is winning their hearts and minds. That is an age-old tactical move where Democrats know their primary vote is better spent getting an opponent that's easy to beat than Clinton's inevitable coronation as the Democrat nominee.
I don't think I'm making any mistakes about how steadfast the left will be. If anyone wants to challenge this further, tell me which Democrat-standby demographics she'll pull from. Union labor? The minority vote? Feminists? Profile for me the voter who Democrats have always been able to count on, but who will jump ship and vote for Trump.Comment
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