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  • sluggy1616
    SBR MVP
    • 07-21-13
    • 1317

    #1
    Does anybody here invest outside of sports?
    I've gotten heavy into forex. I like the greater reward to risk. Anyone else doing anything else?
  • ManeOnFire
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-13-14
    • 851

    #2
    I was looking into forex but haven't pursued it. If you have success in one of the endeavors I imagine it would crossover to the other just because of general ability. What would you say the learning curve is like?
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      Forex is the biggest sucker game you could ever do and you will lose everything
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      • Ralphie Halves
        SBR MVP
        • 12-13-09
        • 4507

        #4
        Originally posted by jjgold
        Forex is the biggest sucker game you could ever do and you will lose everything
        This is all I heard when I first discovered forex. Then I learned that all of the people saying that had no real idea what they were doing, and were the types that lost money in everything they ever tried to invest in.

        Now I trade it professionally. DO NOT trade forex because the R/R can be higher than trading equities. It will only be a matter of time before you become another forex basher because you did it wrong.
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        • Ralphie Halves
          SBR MVP
          • 12-13-09
          • 4507

          #5
          Originally posted by ManeOnFire
          I was looking into forex but haven't pursued it. If you have success in one of the endeavors I imagine it would crossover to the other just because of general ability. What would you say the learning curve is like?
          Not instant, but can be faster than stocks. If you learn how to read a chart (because that's 98% of forex), you're on your way.

          Many stock traders fail at forex because they trade it like they do stocks. Money management principles still apply (which is why most SBR people are 100% doomed), but I'll say it again, it's VERY chart heavy. Good thing for me at least is learning how to read charts was pretty easy, and I enjoyed it a lot.
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            The best experts in the world lose at forex

            Its a major scam and you get chewed alive with price changes before you get filled
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            • Ralphie Halves
              SBR MVP
              • 12-13-09
              • 4507

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              The best experts in the world lose at forex

              Its a major scam and you get chewed alive with price changes before you get filled
              Said everyone who did it wrong. Don't blame yourself, blame the market. Blame professional athletes when your 4-teamer fails, etc.

              Over 4 trillion dollars changes hands in forex every day. These aren't pink slip penny stocks, it's the lifeblood of the world economy. It's rigged like every other market, but the powers that be follow patterns that you can uncover over time, and they don't care because there are enough jj's in the world to keep them happy with all that free liquidity.

              The real experts work about an hour a day, live wherever they want, and do whatever they want whenever they want. I know a few personally. Two of them work for the the same firm I do. I've seen their annual results, the firm posts the top performers. I want to be on that list!!
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                Most Forex trading is not retail investors
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                • Ralphie Halves
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-13-09
                  • 4507

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jjgold
                  Most Forex trading is not retail investors
                  True, and that's why they don't care how well the small guys do. The majority of small investors lose, and always will, and the big boys gladly take their money.

                  You can trade millions and still be under the radar. I love it.
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                  • Hu$tle
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-31-15
                    • 1365

                    #10
                    How'd you learn to chart? I've been interested in day trading some form of security for a while but absolutely need a mentor or lots of knowledge of charting before touching the thing. I thought live bets was hard until I tried buying and selling.
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                    • brooks85
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 01-05-09
                      • 44709

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      Most Forex trading is not retail investors
                      again nothing personal but literally every financial opinion of yours is a complete disaster. It is April and you should never manage money; just simple facts, not an insult. Some people are good at different stuff.
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                      • tb1984
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-11-08
                        • 3112

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ralphie Halves
                        Said everyone who did it wrong. Don't blame yourself, blame the market. Blame professional athletes when your 4-teamer fails, etc.

                        Over 4 trillion dollars changes hands in forex every day. These aren't pink slip penny stocks, it's the lifeblood of the world economy. It's rigged like every other market, but the powers that be follow patterns that you can uncover over time, and they don't care because there are enough jj's in the world to keep them happy with all that free liquidity.

                        The real experts work about an hour a day, live wherever they want, and do whatever they want whenever they want. I know a few personally. Two of them work for the the same firm I do. I've seen their annual results, the firm posts the top performers. I want to be on that list!!
                        Originally posted by Ralphie Halves
                        True, and that's why they don't care how well the small guys do. The majority of small investors lose, and always will, and the big boys gladly take their money.

                        You can trade millions and still be under the radar. I love it.
                        Ok, now it makes sense after you said this. At first, I thought you and others were trading alone.

                        I'm just curious, do you get base salary + commission?
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                        • Ralphie Halves
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-13-09
                          • 4507

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tb1984
                          Ok, now it makes sense after you said this. At first, I thought you and others were trading alone.

                          I'm just curious, do you get base salary + commission?
                          No, with prop trading, you actually pay your firm a desk fee every month (They have tools and info you can't get elsewhere, so that's what desk fees go toward. Truth is, tools and info cost almost nothing on their end, so they make money of of this regardless of how their traders do.), then you get a nice percentage of whatever you make. Keep in mind, you are trading their money, not your own, which is great.

                          You can trade alone, many people do, you just need a nice bankroll for that if you want to do it for a living. When I started out, I didn't have that. Now I've gotten too comfortable trading their money, so I'll probably just keep doing that until I decide to move on.
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                          • Ralphie Halves
                            SBR MVP
                            • 12-13-09
                            • 4507

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hu$tle
                            How'd you learn to chart? I've been interested in day trading some form of security for a while but absolutely need a mentor or lots of knowledge of charting before touching the thing. I thought live bets was hard until I tried buying and selling.
                            You can go to the same place I did. Babypips has a free school. It was fun for me, easy to understand, and only took me a few days to finish, and I took detailed notes. Really demystified charts for me, and it later turned out to be one of the few things I'm really good at.

                            Learn forex trading at Babypips.com's learning center. We offer online trading courses, interactive quizzes and a forex glossary.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              Not many people use their own money to trade anything in the financial world especially when it comes to daily trading
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                              • ByeShea
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-30-08
                                • 8112

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                Not many people use their own money to trade anything in the financial world especially when it comes to daily trading
                                This is true. On Wall St. you trade other people's money to get rich - not your own. Or you sell other people's risks/opportunities.

                                I know a retail guy can put up his money and trade and make some coin. But he does so with considerable risk. And it's that risk which is the biggest difference between "little guys" and "big guys" on Wall St. The only thing a hedge operator risks is professional reputation and prospects - not the food on his table, and he usually has plenty.

                                I'd suggest anyone who's established at trading their own account, really lock into a niche and get active on social media. Every day spent as a one-man operation is a day open to risks that can be mitigated.
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                                • jjgold
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-20-05
                                  • 388179

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ByeShea
                                  This is true. On Wall St. you trade other people's money to get rich - not your own. Or you sell other people's risks/opportunities.

                                  I know a retail guy can put up his money and trade and make some coin. But he does so with considerable risk. And it's that risk which is the biggest difference between "little guys" and "big guys" on Wall St. The only thing a hedge operator risks is professional reputation and prospects - not the food on his table, and he usually has plenty.

                                  I'd suggest anyone who's established at trading their own account, really lock into a niche and get active on social media. Every day spent as a one-man operation is a day open to risks that can be mitigated.
                                  Yes they prove everyday nobody wins just like touts..they make money on FEES not profits
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                                  • brooks85
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 01-05-09
                                    • 44709

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    Yes they prove everyday nobody wins just like touts..they make money on FEES not profits
                                    and you made nothing on the last 3000 points in the dow

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                                    • SharkAA
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-10-13
                                      • 2005

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Ralphie Halves
                                      You can go to the same place I did. Babypips has a free school. It was fun for me, easy to understand, and only took me a few days to finish, and I took detailed notes. Really demystified charts for me, and it later turned out to be one of the few things I'm really good at.

                                      http://www.babypips.com/school
                                      In your opinion, what's the appropriate starting bankroll to start dealing with Forex?
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                                      • jjgold
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-20-05
                                        • 388179

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by brooks85
                                        and you made nothing on the last 3000 points in the dow

                                        lol when a bull market everything goes up and idiots still give their money to brokers

                                        Its all random..nobody knows shit

                                        Returns are stagnant if you add up everything over last 10 years

                                        Only traders that make money are premium option sellers as it is statically proven a long term win if you make enough trades

                                        Most mutual funds lose long term or go bust

                                        most hedge funds go bust

                                        do your homework and stop being squares

                                        Brokers and liquidity providers make all the cash and of course high speed trading which is out of realm for 99% of population
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                                        • tb1984
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-11-08
                                          • 3112

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          lol when a bull market everything goes up and idiots still give their money to brokers

                                          Its all random..nobody knows shit

                                          Returns are stagnant if you add up everything over last 10 years

                                          Only traders that make money are premium option sellers as it is statically proven a long term win if you make enough trades

                                          Most mutual funds lose long term or go bust

                                          most hedge funds go bust

                                          do your homework and stop being squares

                                          Brokers and liquidity providers make all the cash and of course high speed trading which is out of realm for 99% of population
                                          This could not come from the JJgold who is in videos.
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                                          • brooks85
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-05-09
                                            • 44709

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tb1984
                                            This could not come from the JJgold who is in videos.
                                            really?

                                            at least the JJ in the videos is trying to be silly, this guy is trying it be smart but doesn't realize how clueless he truly is.

                                            Hence why he has lost money on the easiest market in history. Simple facts. It is still April and whoever that JJ is will be forever living paycheck to paycheck because they don't know how to manage money.
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                                            • brooks85
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 01-05-09
                                              • 44709

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                              lol when a bull market everything goes up and idiots still give their money to brokers

                                              I
                                              yep and that is why you somehow, truly amazing, managed to lose money... For your own safety, stay away from your savings account, it is worth it for you to pay a financial adviser. Bury your pride and make that financially intelligent decision for your future.
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                I don't use my own money I used loanshark money as leverage now that's a businessman
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                                                • Ralphie Halves
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 12-13-09
                                                  • 4507

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by SharkAA
                                                  In your opinion, what's the appropriate starting bankroll to start dealing with Forex?
                                                  There's really no answer to this. It's not like stocks. Once you fund an account, you can set you risk/reward to anything you want, so long as it doesn't go over margin.

                                                  Start really low, and only after playing with a demo account for awhile and crushing that.

                                                  To live off of, you would need a lot. A 20% return is fantastic for example. 20% of 100K is 20K. Can you live off of that a year after taxes? Would you want to? You wouldn't even be adding to your account. It's sobering.
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                                                  • brooks85
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 01-05-09
                                                    • 44709

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                    I don't use my own money I used loanshark money as leverage now that's a businessman
                                                    don't worry the sky will fall one day and you can finally be like "see!! after losing a substantial amount of money I'm finally right!"
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                                                    • compaqDikk
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 10-08-05
                                                      • 5699

                                                      #27
                                                      Corbin got carried off in Cyprus when he thought he could make a leaving trading Binary Options
                                                      In finance, a binary option is a type of option in which the payoff can take only two possible outcomes, either some fixed monetary amount of some asset or nothing at all (in contrast to ordinary financial options that typically have a continuous spectrum of payoff). The two main types of binary options are the cash-or-nothing binary option and the asset-or-nothing binary option. The cash-or-nothing binary option pays some fixed amount of cash if the option expires in-the-money while the asset-or-nothing pays the value of the underlying security. They are also called all-or-nothing options, digital options (more common in forex/interest rate markets), and fixed return options (FROs) (on the American Stock Exchange).[1]

                                                      When buying a binary option the potential return it offers is certain and known before the purchase is made. Binary options can be bought on virtually any financial product and can be bought in both directions of trade either by buying a “Call”/“Up” option or a “Put”/“Down” option. Binary options are offered against a fixed expiry time.[2]

                                                      For example, a purchase is made of a binary cash-or-nothing call option on XYZ Corp's stock struck at $100 with a binary payoff of $1,000. Then, if at the future maturity date, often referred to as an expiry date, the stock is trading at above $100, $1,000 is received. If the stock is trading below $100, no money is received. And if the stock is trading at $100, the money is returned to the purchaser.
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                                                      • ByeShea
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 06-30-08
                                                        • 8112

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by compaqDikk
                                                        When buying a binary option the potential return it offers is certain and known before the purchase is made.
                                                        Stay away.

                                                        Binary options are not regulated any more than the BrokeDikkSports Offshore Sports betting. In fact, the binary option industry is like gambling and porn, run by *********** processors/merchant services people, aka "Jews". (hey, it is what it is.)

                                                        If you don't believe me and think they're legit - just try "winning" a few grand off of one. Very much like US "bucket shops" in the days of old.
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Ralphie Halves
                                                          There's really no answer to this. It's not like stocks. Once you fund an account, you can set you risk/reward to anything you want, so long as it doesn't go over margin.

                                                          Start really low, and only after playing with a demo account for awhile and crushing that.

                                                          To live off of, you would need a lot. A 20% return is fantastic for example. 20% of 100K is 20K. Can you live off of that a year after taxes? Would you want to? You wouldn't even be adding to your account. It's sobering.
                                                          biggest laugh of the day...PAPER TRADING ACCOUNTS ARE AUTO FILLS..they are not even close to indicative of the real thing
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                                                          • brooks85
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 01-05-09
                                                            • 44709

                                                            #30
                                                            I've realized where you fit now since you clearly know so much.



                                                            those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
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                                                            • Hu$tle
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 03-31-15
                                                              • 1365

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              biggest laugh of the day...PAPER TRADING ACCOUNTS ARE AUTO FILLS..they are not even close to indicative of the real thing
                                                              JJ you're an interesting character. I'm starting to think someone is paying you to post losers. You are far too sharp on market knowledge. Fill Orders raped me when I gave option trading a dabble, market orders I learned the hard way never to use.
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                                                              • shady610
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-12-06
                                                                • 1570

                                                                #32
                                                                Im in all hard assets. Mostly metals but i am looking into comic books
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                                                                • jjgold
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                                  • 388179

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Hu$tle
                                                                  JJ you're an interesting character. I'm starting to think someone is paying you to post losers. You are far too sharp on market knowledge. Fill Orders raped me when I gave option trading a dabble, market orders I learned the hard way never to use.

                                                                  I will school anyone here on the markets....clowns in this thread

                                                                  I traded everything from nob spreads, T-Bill Futures, Bonds, Options, German Bonds, Corn, Wheat..I can go on and on

                                                                  NOBODY WINS trading stocks/Futures, etc like nobody wins betting sports..yes guys get lucky as it is the law of percentages and caught a good run like sports betting as you get chewed alive with commissions , slippage , bad fills and big loses.

                                                                  FOREX MARKETS=Destuction
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                                                                  • Dirty Sanchez
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-01-10
                                                                    • 16031

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by sluggy1616
                                                                    I've gotten heavy into forex. I like the greater reward to risk. Anyone else doing anything else?
                                                                    I got heavy into sex...definitely higher on the reward side
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                                                                    • MickeyMan
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 10-20-09
                                                                      • 5091

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez
                                                                      I got heavy into sex...definitely higher on the reward side
                                                                      Not if you are barebacking faggetts in the alley to score your next dirty heroin needle Sanchez.
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