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  • Mudcat
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    • 07-21-05
    • 9287

    #1
    New anti-gaming legislation in Ontario
    Don't panic Ontarians (like I did at first); it relates to prohibiting advertising on-lne gaming sites, not the actual betting - but with the direction the industry is going, it is enough to give me the creeping heebie jeebies.

    The government, which runs the very profitable (for them, not players) Pro-Line sports betting lottery, is obviously starting to have thoughts along the lines of, 'Hm, since we aren't actually competetive with the competition, maybe we should systematically make their business illegal.'

    How far it goes remains to be seen.

    The legislation would ban all forms of advertising for on-line gaming (including the .net poker sites where no money is actually bet). It would make it illegal to broadcast events with visible advertising for on-line sites (such as pretty much every poker and billiards event I have ever seen). It would basically destroy a few Poker magazines and a whole cable TV channel.

    I was hearing all this discussed on the radio and I don't have an article to link at the moment. Maybe I'll dig something up later with more details.

    As I say, it is not panic time yet - it's just advertising. But it is just one more thing in an already nervous time.

    I wonder if I'll be living in England in 5 years.
  • Stumpage
    SBR MVP
    • 09-21-05
    • 2906

    #2
    Now that I've calmed down a little and my heart has started to beat again after seeing this thread, here's a little more on it Mudcat.

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    • Mudcat
      Restricted User
      • 07-21-05
      • 9287

      #3
      Thanks for that.

      The repeated statement in the article that internet gambling is illegal is confusing to me. I have filed taxes since 2003 with that as my only income (other than about 6 cheques from SBR when I was a mod). My accountant has shown me the part of the tax code that applies to my business.

      I have been hearing the ads for Bowmans and BetUS on the radio for years. I'm looking at an ad right now for Sports.com in the paper. There is the channel CGTV, Casino and Gaming Television, which is about nothing but betting in all its forms and had to be licenced by the government.

      How it is "strictly illegal" I don't understand.

      Whatever.
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      • isetcap
        SBR MVP
        • 12-16-05
        • 4006

        #4
        Originally posted by Mudcat
        Thanks for that.

        The repeated statement in the article that internet gambling is illegal is confusing to me. I have filed taxes since 2003 with that as my only income (other than about 6 cheques from SBR when I was a mod). My accountant has shown me the part of the tax code that applies to my business.

        I have been hearing the ads for Bowmans and BetUS on the radio for years. I'm looking at an ad right now for Sports.com in the paper. There is the channel CGTV, Casino and Gaming Television, which is about nothing but betting in all its forms and had to be licenced by the government.

        How it is "strictly illegal" I don't understand.

        Whatever.

        All the exact same things apply here in the US.
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        • Stumpage
          SBR MVP
          • 09-21-05
          • 2906

          #5
          Originally posted by Mudcat

          The repeated statement in the article that internet gambling is illegal is confusing to me. I have filed taxes since 2003 with that as my only income (other than about 6 cheques from SBR when I was a mod). My accountant has shown me the part of the tax code that applies to my business.
          Mudcat, I strongly believe that the author of the article is incorrect in his statement of online gambling being illegal. From accountants and lawyers that I've talked to, it can best be described as a grey area, which for the moment suits me just fine. Here is another article that better explains it if you're interested...



          The opening sentence eases my mind somewhat, as well as the following:

          "...In the case of individual bettors, the Criminal Code seems more directed at those who facilitate betting rather than those making bets. Canadian gamblers -- even if they are placing bets on offshore sites -- are therefore not at much risk of contravening the law..."
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            in about 1 year or so online gambling will be banned in canada. It might take a little more than that but is going to happen. The us gov't got high remarks for passing this and canada will follow suite.

            UK will always be safe
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            • bigboydan
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-10-05
              • 55420

              #7
              Originally posted by isetcap
              All the exact same things apply here in the US.
              It's sure is sounding like it isetcap doesn't it.


              Looks like the books better send more lobbiest up there to Canada
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              • Mudcat
                Restricted User
                • 07-21-05
                • 9287

                #8
                Originally posted by jjgold
                in about 1 year or so online gambling will be banned in canada. It might take a little more than that but is going to happen. The us gov't got high remarks for passing this and canada will follow suite.

                UK will always be safe
                Any time you make a goofy, out-your-ass statement like that there is always a chance you will be right. Hopefully in this case, it is as accurate as your prediction that the Tigers will be -400 favorites to win the World Series.
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                • jjgold
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-20-05
                  • 388179

                  #9
                  Senators in USA getting applauded for the ban

                  Gamblers make up a miniscule amount of the votes

                  Online Gambling will be banned in Canada, the question is when.
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                  • degenerate#1
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 08-07-06
                    • 125

                    #10
                    what would be their incentive to ban gambling in canada. gambling income is non-taxable.
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                    • Hulu
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 07-17-06
                      • 664

                      #11
                      For anyone who is interested, here is a link to the ONtario Criminal Code on the matter. Looking through it, I can't find anything that explicitly outlaws placing a bet. Everything is geared toward bookmaking, running a gaming house or placing bets on behalf of others.

                      That being said, in the US, they have stretched the definitions in the wire act for their own purposes, so until it is tested in court who know. But I think it highly unlikely that they would go after individual gamblers.

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                      • Mudcat
                        Restricted User
                        • 07-21-05
                        • 9287

                        #12
                        Originally posted by degenerate#1
                        what would be their incentive to ban gambling in canada. gambling income is non-taxable.
                        Gambling income is indeed taxable. There are a set of 4 conditions outlined in the tax code which dictate if you are professional and required to pay taxes. If you meet those conditions and aren't paying taxes you are breaking the law.

                        I'm not going to look them up right now but what they basically amount to is, if you systematically make money at it, you are professional.
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                        • pags11
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 08-18-05
                          • 12264

                          #13
                          damn...sucks they are cracking down in Canada as well...
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