Are free picks really worth it on tout sites-- Here's what I've found

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  • dapooldude
    SBR Rookie
    • 04-05-09
    • 29

    #1
    Are free picks really worth it on tout sites-- Here's what I've found
    The question is are free picks on tout sites really worth it?
    Do they add value in the long run?

    I've use one as an example in the spreadsheet attached. The data I have is all the free picks posted by specific cappers between jan 1 2007 and march 29 2009 on xxxxxxx.com. Also note that I've only listed cappers that were marked as qualified to sell picks on thier site. So even if you like another capper, and he is listing his picks, but not qualified to sell - you're SOL. They won't even post it for free even though the cappers are not getting paid since they are not qualified. Go figure!!

    getting back....
    If you look at the total count column and notice for any cappers listing over 100 total plays per sport type, very few even make it close to the 54% mark and most hover anywhere between 46-53%. Note: higher percentages don't always mean having a positive run. But if you look at the the net gain column, it speaks for itself. This is like playing spin the bottle, with some nasty surprises

    I'm not saying this is the same for all tout sites but what's amazing is if you look at the home pages you'll see pretty nice streaks.
    Check out the free picks section, they'll even order the cappers by percentages for the month.

    Now here's the million dollar question or should that be questions -
    1 .Do short term streaks mean anything ?
    2. Do records only posted over a short period of time mean anything?

    I don't think so. Tracking someone for a month or two while they post only 20 picks during that time frame may not mean much, hell... even 50 may not mean much.

    However, note that there is a difference if a specialist who only releases 150-200 picks a season but can achieve the same results season after season. I don't group these people in the same boat; These cappers are the ones that make a real difference in your bankroll and I do mean in a very positive way... If only I could handicap like them ....sigh....well.

    In conclusion I feel these freebies posted on tout sites are meant to lure people in, by showing excellent short term runs. I don't mean to generalize but that seems to be case with some of the tout sites that I've visited, and of course with xxxxxxxx.com in particular.
    To be fair - Thier non free picks are fantastic (Thier free stuff sucks ass) - I've tracked them while paying for them so I can vouch for that; It was a big dent in my outgoings . However there is a caveat to saying they are fantastic; Thier picks would be fantastic if they were reasonably priced and not some gross amount like $10 a pick. It's just too much of a risk; so if you are a high roller then it probably would be worth it as long as you don't mind taking the risk that they could occasionally have a bad year

    ps: If you're wondering how I calculated the net gain amounts
    on negative lines a win is always 100 and a loss is whatever the value of that line was. On positive lines the win is whatever the value of the line is while the loss is 100.
    eg: a -108 win would result in 100 gain while a loss on a -108 line would amount to a -108 loss.
    a +105 win would result in 105 gain while a loss on a +108 line would amount to a 100 loss.
    I guess most of you know this but the explanation is for the benefit of newbies who read this, such as myself.
  • AgainstAllOdds
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 02-24-08
    • 6053

    #2
    Mods...I think this guy is touting his website. Second time he's touted atscappers. This should be moved to Sports Promotions section.
    Originally posted by SBR_John
    AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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    • dapooldude
      SBR Rookie
      • 04-05-09
      • 29

      #3
      ok .. trying to get the attachment thing working
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      • dapooldude
        SBR Rookie
        • 04-05-09
        • 29

        #4
        Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds
        Mods...I think this guy is touting his website. Second time he's touted atscappers. This should be moved to Sports Promotions section.
        lol .. I've complained about them not touted them.. man can't you tell teh difference. Read the post before you pass comments
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        • ryanspeer2001
          SBR MVP
          • 03-30-08
          • 3149

          #5
          Originally posted by dapooldude
          lol .. I've complained about them not touted them.. man can't you tell teh difference. Read the post before you pass comments
          I'm not accusing you of being a tout but most marketing people will agree that bad publicity is STILL publicity. Inquiring minds will visit that site even if you tear them just to see.
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          • Vince Carter
            SBR Sharp
            • 02-15-09
            • 498

            #6
            these are all recorded before the game started, right?

            a lot of tout sites change the free picks on their site halfway into the game
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            • Willie Bee
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-14-06
              • 15726

              #7
              Originally posted by dapooldude
              Now here's the million dollar question or should that be questions -
              1 .Do short term streaks mean anything ?
              2. Do records only posted over a short period of time mean anything?
              1) Yes, short-term streaks in capping are no different than streaks in sports. Will any team that has reeled off eight straight wins ever lose again? Yes. Will any team in the middle of an eight-game losing streak ever win again? Yes.
              2) Posting records -- ALL RECORDS -- means something. If someone wants to be gullible enough to pay a bunch for picks just because some capper is 15-5 recently, that's their business and when it turns south, as it will, I have no sympathy.

              And the bottom line, regardless of what a capper is doing, if the bettor isn't playing within his or her own means, it won't matter. Easiest way to avoid having a capper give you losing picks is to just do your own capping.
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              • dapooldude
                SBR Rookie
                • 04-05-09
                • 29

                #8
                Here's an excerpt of the letter that I sent out to them a few days ago. also in the interest of avoiding publicity and respecting the views of others in this forum I will comment out thier name. If you want to know where I got the data from them jsut pm me.
                ======================================== ========
                Paypal has not refunded my money. It is still in a dispute state.
                Unfortunately, I'm not interested in the services that the xxxxxxxx provides at this
                time as the level of support is unacceptable. As I mentioned earlier I cannot afford to
                NOT purchase my picks on time. I has a lot riding on Saturday's and Sunday's picks. To
                reiterate it was not just an inconvenience; This translated into lost revenue for me.

                A 48 hour turnaround on support, no matter how badly affected your systems are, is
                "unacceptable" for the money that I'm paying. You should be having redundant servers and
                backup plans in place that would ensure that you have the best uptime. An example is to
                at least have a secondary or tertiary email address (not located on your current system)
                where clients can contact support if needed. And you should be able to provide picks to
                clients by email at the very least.

                I design critical systems for a living so I know that it can be done, at least with
                sufficient backups in place. This is not a simple online service that you provide as
                people rely on prompt service, the lack of which, downtime or not, results in real lost
                revenue for clients like myself.

                Are you willing to refund revenue lost? If so, please let me know and I'll give you a
                detailed breakdown of exactly how much revenue I've lost due to your outage and if you
                refund the amount I'll clear the dispute with paypal. Let me just forewarn you that it's
                far more than the $1000 USD that I paid.

                Paypal has probably put the funds on hold until this is resolved so in the interest of
                you running a professional service please do one of the following

                1) Either agree to reimburse me for the lost revenue OR
                2) Just refund my payment via paypal
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                • dapooldude
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 04-05-09
                  • 29

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Willie Bee
                  1) Yes, short-term streaks in capping are no different than streaks in sports. Will any team that has reeled off eight straight wins ever lose again? Yes. Will any team in the middle of an eight-game losing streak ever win again? Yes.
                  2) Posting records -- ALL RECORDS -- means something. If someone wants to be gullible enough to pay a bunch for picks just because some capper is 15-5 recently, that's their business and when it turns south, as it will, I have no sympathy.

                  And the bottom line, regardless of what a capper is doing, if the bettor isn't playing within his or her own means, it won't matter. Easiest way to avoid having a capper give you losing picks is to just do your own capping.
                  I agree...It's just that it takes way more effort to cap a decent set of ones own games. And some ppl happen to be better at others when it comes to capping
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                  • dapooldude
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 04-05-09
                    • 29

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vince Carter
                    these are all recorded before the game started, right?

                    a lot of tout sites change the free picks on their site halfway into the game
                    Nope. after the game. But I don't know which tout site would post long term losses for free picks on thier site
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                    • james4512
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-27-08
                      • 3707

                      #11
                      ive looked at the free plays and most of them have hit but the one time i decided to follow one of them of course i lost and i lost badly might i add
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        Daper you better be careful here, you already have been red flagged. Son if you were so good you would not be here and just betting your own games, all touts are losers that try and sell picks. Son no one would work if it was that easy. If you want to shut up a tout just ask him why he sells picks instead of just betting the games himself.
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                        • dapooldude
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 04-05-09
                          • 29

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jjgold
                          Daper you better be careful here, you already have been red flagged. Son if you were so good you would not be here and just betting your own games, all touts are losers that try and sell picks. Son no one would work if it was that easy. If you want to shut up a tout just ask him why he sells picks instead of just betting the games himself.
                          I don't think I follow. redflagged for what? I'm not touting any service and I don't believe in paying exorbitant amounts. I'm trying to find ppl here whom I could pay for picks if necessary. If I get them for free then great.

                          I'm confused!
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                          • ryanspeer2001
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-30-08
                            • 3149

                            #14
                            Who's ghost is this?
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                            • dapooldude
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 04-05-09
                              • 29

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ryanspeer2001
                              Who's ghost is this?
                              ??? not sure I follow
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                              • InTheHole
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 04-28-08
                                • 15243

                                #16
                                The Pool Dude
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