What the NCAA Tournament SHOULD look like

[TPowell]

MW


1. Kentucky
2. Utah
3. Oklahoma
4. North Carolina
5. Michigan State
6. Iowa
7. West Virginia
8. Davidson
9. Maryland
10. Boise State
11. Ole Miss/Stanford
12. Cal Irvine
13. Georgia State
14. North Florida
15. Lafayette
16. Hampton/Robert Morris






WEST


1. Arizona
2. Gonzaga
3. Notre Dame
4. Baylor
5. Ohio State
6. Butler
7. Xavier
8. VCU
9. Cincinnati
10. North Carolina State
11. UCLA
12. Valparaiso
13. Harvard
14. Northeastern
15. Albany
16. Texas Southern/North Dakota State




SOUTH


1. Virginia
2. Duke
3. Kansas
4. Wichita State
5. Texas
6. SMU
7. Providence
8. BYU
9. Georgia
10. Dayton
11. St Johns
12. Buffalo
13. New Mexico State
14. UAB
15. Eastern Washington
16. Belmont




EAST


1. Wisconsin
2. Villanova
3. Northern Iowa
4. Iowa State
5. Louisville
6. Georgetown
7. San Diego State
8. Arkansas
9. Stephen F Austin
10. Oklahoma State
11. LSU
12. Florida/Oregon
13. Wofford
14. Wyoming
15. Manhattan
16. Coastal Carolina

[TPowell]

SF Austin as a 12 is a joke
Maryland as a 3 is horrible
Texas as an 11 is laughable
Utah as a 5???

[TPowell]

Oregon IN the tourny AND a 7 seed according to ESPN lol

[thetrinity]

florida has a losing record?

[TPowell]

based off of the actual abilities of the teams, not the BS way things are done by the committee

[JJJ]

you have a lot of time on your hands

[TPowell]

you have a lot of time on your hands

took about 25 minutes, mostly just transposing Ken Pom and Sagarin with some of my own numbers. About 5-10 mins moving teams around to avoid them playing a conference foe and such

[broadway6]

well you set your team up for a 5-12 upset...

[TPowell]

well you set your team up for a 5-12 upset...

I'd feel good about our chances against Florida or Oregon. Iowa State would be interesting as well. Harrell would have a field day

[thetrinity]

granted maryland oregon arent liked by kenpom, sagarin but why even play if wins and losses dont matter

[broadway6]

have you ever seen a #1 and #2 seed in a region from the same conference? Especially when the #2 seed beat the #1 seed on it's home floor?

[thetrinity]

have you ever seen a #1 and #2 seed in a region from the same conference?

i think a 1 seed is supposed to have no other conference foes seeded 5 or better in their region

[TPowell]

i think a 1 seed is supposed to have no other conference foes seeded 5 or better in their region

that's been broken quite a bit IIRC but yeah, I missed that honestly

[thetrinity]

that's been broken quite a bit IIRC but yeah, I missed that honestly

they break rules all the time they are more like guidelines

[TPowell]

they break rules all the time they are more like guidelines

yeah, true. I totally missed that though. Embarassing. About to do a breakdown here

[KRIT]

Sorry but stopped reading when i saw Utah as #2

[TPowell]

Here's Kentucky's path

Purdue- Didn't have in
Cincinnati- 9 seed
West Virginia- 7 seed
Maryland- 9 seed
Butler- 6 seed
Texas- 5 seed
ND- 3 seed

[TPowell]

Sorry but stopped reading when i saw Utah as #2

hate to say it but you may be an idiot then. Who should be there?

[KRIT]

hate to say it but you may be an idiot then. Who should be there?

I wasn't trying to be a dick, just saying. Utah has lost to Oregon twice in the last month. They lost last week to one of the worst teams in the country, Washington. Their only "sexy" win was against Wichita St. They struckout against Zona, you can't be a #2 seed when you lose twice to a #2 seed and don't even make it to your conference championship. I'd put any of the actual #2 seeds ahead of them, plus Iowa St, Notre Dame, etc over them. Notre Dame and Iowa St just beat more teams in the last week than Utah has all year. Pac12 blows so unless you are beating Zona, you arent' exactly racking up resume builders.

You did not serioulsy put Texas #5 did you?

[TPowell]

I wasn't trying to be a dick, just saying. Utah has lost to Oregon twice in the last month. They lost last week to one of the worst teams in the country, Washington. Their only "sexy" win was against Wichita St. They struckout against Zona, you can't be a #2 seed when you lose twice to a #2 seed and don't even make it to your conference championship. I'd put any of the actual #2 seeds ahead of them, plus Iowa St, Notre Dame, etc over them. Notre Dame and Iowa St just beat more teams in the last week than Utah has all year. Pac12 blows so unless you are beating Zona, you arent' exactly racking up resume builders.

You did not serioulsy put Texas #5 did you?

do you actually gamble? Utah vs Iowa State or ND straight up. Who you got?

[jjgold]

not bad guy

good work!!

[KRIT]

do you actually gamble? Utah vs Iowa State or ND straight up. Who you got?

It isn't about who the better team is. It's about who deserves to be higher. Who has Utah beaten to be a #2 seed? Like I said Notre Dame and ISU just beat more quality teams in the last week than Utah has beaten all year. Tell me Utah's good wins?

[TPowell]

It isn't about who the better team is. It's about who deserves to be higher. Who has Utah beaten to be a #2 seed? Like I said Notre Dame and ISU just beat more quality teams in the last week than Utah has beaten all year. Tell me Utah's good wins?

Outdated logic. Utah is better in every way possible than Iowa State. EVERY way

[TwoWays]

Is Arizona and kentucky on opposite side of brackets?

[KRIT]

It isn't about who is better overall. Seeding is about resume. Who have you beaten etc. If it were by pure talent, then Kentucky would have been a #1 seed last year, not a #8 seed. I'm not arguing with you about Utah being a good team, they are a very good team, but no way do they deserve a #2 seed.

Notre Dame's quality wins:
Beat Duke twice....yes they beat a #1 seed twice
Beat UNC twice
Beat Louisville
Beat Michigan State who was ranked at the time
Won their conference tournament, arguably the best conference

ISU quality wins:
Arkansas
West Virginia twice
Kansas twice
Texas twice (once when they were ranked)
OKST twice (once when they were ranked)
Won their conference tournament

Utah quality wins:
Wichita St

If you want to call UCLA and BYU quality wins then go ahead and add it to their short resume.

[TPowell]

It isn't about who is better overall. Seeding is about resume. Who have you beaten etc. If it were by pure talent, then Kentucky would have been a #1 seed last year, not a #8 seed. I'm not arguing with you about Utah being a good team, they are a very good team, but no way do they deserve a #2 seed.

Notre Dame's quality wins:
Beat Duke twice....yes they beat a #1 seed twice
Beat UNC twice
Beat Louisville
Beat Michigan State who was ranked at the time
Won their conference tournament, arguably the best conference

ISU quality wins:
Arkansas
West Virginia twice
Kansas twice
Texas twice (once when they were ranked)
OKST twice (once when they were ranked)
Won their conference tournament

Utah quality wins:
Wichita St

If you want to call UCLA and BYU quality wins then go ahead and add it to their short resume.

Who cares about your resume? The only reason this happened is old penetrates still using their eyes instead of far more accurate power ratings

[KRIT]

ok well we are talking about two different things then. I'm talking about how the seeding is actually done.

[pavyracer]

Throw away the stats. Most people do not realize that the seedings and pairings are set to ensure financial success for both the NCAA and TV.

[TPowell]

Throw away the stats. Most people do not realize that the seedings and pairings are set to ensure financial success for both the NCAA and TV.

yep, happens every single year. Screw the little guys and give the money schools all the advantages in the world