Is Chip Kelly still a moron???? Or a mad genius

MoMoneyMoVaughn · 03-12-15, 09:26 PM

It will debated until we see the results.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:29 PM

Results shouldn't determine if they're good trades or not

lets look independent of that

Has he put together a more talented team this year?

El Nino · 03-12-15, 09:32 PM

He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.

SharpAngles · 03-12-15, 09:32 PM

Chip Kelly just farted more football knowledge than you;ll get in a year from this forum

opie1988 · 03-12-15, 09:33 PM

Uhhhh...how would you possibly know this team is much better than last years? Besides Murray....the 5 players acquired by Eagles played just 23 gms COMBINED last yr: Bradford (0), Alonso (0), Thurmond (2), Mathews (8), Maxwell (13)

Hmmmm.......Foles/McCoy/Maclin or Bradford/Murray/Cooper?

Pass.

seaborneq · 03-12-15, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Results shouldn't determine if they're good trades or not

lets look independent of that

Has he put together a more talented team this year?

Disagree. It's a results oriented business. Go to the Y or the church bingo hall if results don't matter

lakerboy · 03-12-15, 09:34 PM

He saved money. Let's not forget he wasn't going to win with the previous group.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.

He traded Foles and draft picks for Bradford and Murray.

Thats a much more palatable trade, one that clearly favors the Eagles.

Bradford for Foles was basically a lateral trade, it was only the draft picks that skewed it a bit but now with Murray and assuming Bradford played a role in him going to Philly, those draft picks don't look so important now

texhooper · 03-12-15, 09:43 PM

i'm going with still a moron myself.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Disagree. It's a results oriented business. Go to the Y or the church bingo hall if results don't matter

After all is said and done, yes, this trade will be judged by the results.

But today we don't have that benefit and a logical discussion can be had without ever knowing the results.

Individuals with Boring minds talk about the past, average minds talk about the present and brilliant minds talk about the future. Let's think ahead a bit here seaborn, that's all I'm asking

minet123 · 03-12-15, 09:47 PM

They finish below the Redskins,Bucs,Vikes,Bears and 49'ers next season

Big Bear · 03-12-15, 09:49 PM

little early for all this football talk IMO

Eagles will be fine they just need to get a good WR now.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Uhhhh...how would you possibly know this team is much better than last years? Besides Murray....the 5 players acquired by Eagles played just 23 gms COMBINED last yr: Bradford (0), Alonso (0), Thurmond (2), Mathews (8), Maxwell (13)

Hmmmm.......Foles/McCoy/Maclin or Bradford/Murray/Cooper?

Pass.

This is a fair point, one that's open for discussion

They're clearly better because they have two players from the VAUNTED 2008 OU Sooners

Shouldve been obvious

texhooper · 03-12-15, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

After all is said and done, yes, this trade will be judged by the results.

But today we don't have that benefit and a logical discussion can be had without ever knowing the results.

Individuals with Boring minds talk about the past, average minds talk about the present and brilliant minds talk about the future. Let's think ahead a bit here seaborn, that's all I'm asking

you can talk about it being a great trade all you want, but if they go 500 or some shit next year, then it doesn't matter. not that we should never talk about the future in sports, but you're painting it as though all of his moves are a success when really there hasn't been any significant additions vs what he's given up. this isn't exactly the cavs trading for love or something like that.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Big Bear

little early for all this football talk IMO

Eagles will be fine they just need to get a good WR now.

Bitch you don't dictate what the Fukk we talk about

if we were sitting around a stone table at a poorly lit cigar lounge and you said that, I'd slap the living fukk out of you

Big Bear · 03-12-15, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Bitch you don't dictate what the Fukk we talk about

if we were sitting around a stone table at a poorly lit cigar lounge and you said that, I'd slap the living fukk out of you

yeah and i would pull out my rooster and put it in your wifes ass.

just saying

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by texhooper

you can talk about it being a great trade all you want, but if they go 500 or some shit next year, then it doesn't matter. not that we should never talk about the future in sports, but you're painting it as though all of his moves are a success when really there hasn't been any significant additions vs what he's given up. this isn't exactly the cavs trading for love or something like that.

talking about sports after the fact is BORINg, there's nothing left to the imagination. Anyone can do it

i prefer to separate myself from the boys

Love going to wasn't nearly as big an addition as Bradford and Murray going to Philly

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 09:56 PM

Bear you clearly missed my point

you don't wanna talk football, fine

then shut the fukk up and go create another thread asking if anyone here paints rainbows for a living because you're thinking about doing it

El Nino · 03-12-15, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

He traded Foles and draft picks for Bradford and Murray.

Thats a much more palatable trade, one that clearly favors the Eagles.

Bradford for Foles was basically a lateral trade, it was only the draft picks that skewed it a bit but now with Murray and assuming Bradford played a role in him going to Philly, those draft picks don't look so important now

Murray was a FA. Had nothing to do with the trade. The trades he made were awful. Neither Bradford or Murray will play every game. Murray was using the Eagles as leverage and it back fired. He goes to a worse team in a worse city away from where he grew up. Not to mention the tax implications. Murray wanted to stay in Dallas. Now you have an often injured RB who was just worked like a pack mule. Kelly overhauled a team with injury prone players when he didn't need to. He's trying to be the kooky, smartest guy in the room.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

Murray was a FA. Had nothing to do with the trade. The trades he made were awful. Neither Bradford or Murray will play every game. Murray was using the Eagles as leverage and it back fired. He goes to a worse team in a worse city away from where he grew up. Not to mention the tax implications. Murray wanted to stay in Dallas. Now you have an often injured RB who was just worked like a pack mule. Kelly overhauled a team with injury prone players when he didn't need to. He's trying to be the kooky, smartest guy in the room.

Everyone wants to be the next Bellicek

I realize Murray was a FA and the Bradford trade didn't directly involve Murray. But Bradford being in Philly played a big role in Murray going to Philly IMO. And that makes the trade and Murray signing indirectly linked. I don't think Murray goes to Philly if Bradford isn't there and I think Kelly knew this. Murray was more his trophy than Bradford. Bradford was simply fish bait.

And that to me is pretty fukking impressive.

I don't think last years work load will affect Murray much next year, am I being naive? He's got the whole off season to recover

ByeShea · 03-12-15, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

He gave up Foles & draft picks to get Sam Bradford...he's a moron.

Murray will help - and all of a sudden McCoy for LB looks great, but it's tough to get past the Foles trade.

jjgold · 03-12-15, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Everyone wants to be the next Bellicek

I realize Murray was a FA and the Bradford trade didn't directly involve Murray. But Bradford being in Philly played a big role in Murray going to Philly IMO. And that makes the trade and Murray signing indirectly linked. I don't think Murray goes to Philly if Bradford isn't there and I think Kelly knew this. Murray was more his trophy than Bradford. Bradford was simply fish bait.

And that to me is pretty fukking impressive.

I don't think last years work load will affect Murray much next year, am I being naive? He's got the whole off season to recover

The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach

ByeShea · 03-12-15, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach

I'm sure money had nothing to do with it.

The Kraken · 03-12-15, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by ByeShea

Murray will help - and all of a sudden McCoy for LB looks great, but it's tough to get past the Foles trade.

I partly agree. Murray is a step up from McCoy in all facets of the game at this point in their careers.

But if you think the Murray signing really helps the Eagles (which it does), then you have to get past the Bradford trade.

Because without the Bradford trade the Eagles don't get Murray.

And the Eagles really didn't even give up much in the trade. They got a QB that is at least as good, arguable more talented, than Foles. The draft picks were really the only questionable part of the deal and now that we see the Bradford trade was only a piece of the puzzle, it appears Kelly is more crafty than I had thought.

Originally posted by jjgold

The main reason Murray went to phila was Bradford not the coach

Exactly

KalouKalou · 03-12-15, 10:48 PM

Come on guys wake up. If you look today the result he's a genius.

jjgold · 03-12-15, 10:49 PM

Let's see how Bradford does many think he has a lot of talent

MoneyM1ke · 03-12-15, 10:51 PM

Bradford easily comeback player of the year next season

MoneyLineDawg · 03-12-15, 10:57 PM

I'm a big Chip Kelly fan....Always side with the guys who take a shot doing things their way and think outside the box

Good for the game, win or lose

seaborneq · 03-12-15, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

I'm a big Chip Kelly fan....Always side with the guys who take a shot doing things their way and think outside the box

Good for the game, win or lose

Like Steve Spurrier, Marc Trestman, and Pete Carroll his first two gigs. Thinking outside the box usually gets you coaching outside of the stadium. PAUL Westhead with the Nuggets did it his way too.

opie1988 · 03-12-15, 11:01 PM

Let's see....

Worse at QB
Worse at WR
Lost 2 of your O-Line
And a lateral move at RB.

Sounds brilliant

MoneyLineDawg · 03-12-15, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Like Steve Spurrier, Marc Trestman, and Pete Carroll his first two gigs. Thinking outside the box usually gets you coaching outside of the stadium.

You just named 2 guys who have won multiple championships though, one being an absolute legend in NCAAF

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't....but gotta give it a shot or we'd all be watching the single wing offense from every team

jjgold · 03-12-15, 11:04 PM

If Dallas drafts Melvin Gordon he'll have 1300 yards

MoneyLineDawg · 03-12-15, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by opie1988

Let's see....

Worse at QB
Worse at WR
Lost 2 of your O-Line
And a lateral move at RB.

Sounds brilliant

Offseason isn't over yet...got better on defense too

Agree so far on the WR part though...should've kept Maclin for sure

texhooper · 03-12-15, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

If Dallas drafts Melvin Gordon he'll have 1300 yards

coach gets it. that o-line is great. i don't even like the damn cowboys, and am not coming to their rescue, but it's not worth paying a guy significant money when he has had his most productive year at the rb position. these guys always, it might even be like 100% of the time, take a dip after 400+ carries in a year. let chip kelly have him, who cares. he'll be hurt after two weeks anyway.